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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Starting Strength - Incorporating Half Squats Link..
« on: June 12, 2011, 04:13:22 pm »
How much have you increased your squat and SVJ with training? And starting from what squat and what SVJ?

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Starting Strength - Incorporating Half Squats Link..
« on: June 12, 2011, 04:05:21 pm »
Quote from: steven-miller on June 12, 2011, 04:02:14 pm
So your argument is that making estimations in life where the dependent variable is influenced by lots of factors is "stupid" and "launching numbers around"?

So I guess then that predicting the weather is stupid, predicting stock values is stupid, predicting demographic development is stupid, analyzing the intellectual potential of a child is stupid, etc.



What, you don't have an answer for what I said and you came up with this? :ninja:

GETTING BACK TO SQUATTING AND SVJ, what I said holds true. If anything, it's probably easier to increase the SVJ than it is to increase the running VJ if your RVJ technique is already at a high level for your particular structure because the SVJ responds better to strength work and strength is a more alterable quality than reactive stuff.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Starting Strength - Incorporating Half Squats Link..
« on: June 12, 2011, 03:33:50 pm »
I don't think there is a model. The only model I can see is that the closer you are to an elite value the harder it will be to improve (just like in anything else in life).

So if you have a 20 inch SVJ it would be easier than if you'd have a 35 inch SVJ. BUT - again - there are so many factors that govern this... if the athlete has sports experience, if the athlete lifted before, his structure, his CNS, his sleep, his nutrition, his endocrine system and so on and so forth.

Therefore I think it's stupid to launch numbers around. I can't understand why one would be limited in his training until he gets to a really good squat number to begin with. And even then he might get a higher VJ by reducing bodyfat or improving his explosiveness or even traditional "plyo" power (even though we talk about SVJ here).

In the end you're going only to be limited by your structure and some CNS characteristics in your SVJ, if you take care of all the other factors. The problem is - very few people do all this.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Starting Strength - Incorporating Half Squats Link..
« on: June 12, 2011, 12:35:44 pm »
Hm, so let's see:

If I have a 9 inch vertical jump, I can expect to get to 12 (+30%) but that's pretty much it? And the more I can SVJ the more I gain, right?

If I have a standing 50 inch vertical jump, getting to 66 inch (+30%) would not be impossible, right?

So if I suck having a 9 inch vert I actually have a much lower ceiling of growth than if I were to jump 50 because 30% of a small number is less than 30% of a higher number.

See how idiotic this gets?

If you take a guy who has a 0.7 bodyweight squat and jumps 16 inches and get him to 2.5x, would you expect him to get 30% more on his SVJ OR would you expect him to possibly double that or more?

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MUSiC anD SHeeT! / Diddy - Dirty Money - Coming Home ft. Skylar Grey INTRO BY RAPTOR
« on: June 12, 2011, 09:50:18 am »
Me singing the intro part of "Diddy - Dirty Money - Coming Home ft. Skylar Grey". No effects, no backup vocals, just my voice and some of the orchestra in the background.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbAxlmO_rb8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbAxlmO_rb8</a>

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Crazy Weird Analysis & Stuff :) / Jacob Tucker plant
« on: June 11, 2011, 06:29:21 pm »
Here is some good compression:


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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Starting Strength - Incorporating Half Squats Link..
« on: June 11, 2011, 03:17:22 pm »
Quote from: steven-miller on June 11, 2011, 02:15:37 pm
Quote from: Raptor on June 11, 2011, 11:50:39 am
If that were true I'd have a 2x squat since 3 years ago. If it was as simple as putting a bar on your back and doing your workout and your squat will increase liniarly.

Well man, what can I say? I guess you are right then, I have been wrong all the time and you will never have a 2x bw squat ever, regardless of what you do.

Duh, finally. Thank you.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Starting Strength - Incorporating Half Squats Link..
« on: June 11, 2011, 11:50:39 am »
If that were true I'd have a 2x squat since 3 years ago. If it was as simple as putting a bar on your back and doing your workout and your squat will increase liniarly.

By the way - just threw down a dunk at the 2.96 rim off standing VJ again - in the past (~2 years ago) I could barely touch the bottom of the rim off SVJ if anything, so that's a ~8 inch gain just by that.

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: beast
« on: June 11, 2011, 08:19:30 am »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd8prMsbIsY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd8prMsbIsY</a>

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Starting Strength - Incorporating Half Squats Link..
« on: June 11, 2011, 07:39:24 am »
Wait, wasn't you the one who said I could increase my squat liniarily for a long period of time just doing 3x5? Like I have your monster body and adaptability? I mean, you were the one who took the exception (yourself) and apply that to everybody, saying everybody can increase their squat each workout until they reach ~2x (you didn't say 2x, but a much higher squat than what I currently have). If it were that easy we would all have 2x squats.

I'm saying this because you say the same stuff of "exceptions" about SVJ, but don't think the same thing when it comes to squatting.

If you're able to increase your squat like that you're probably able to increase your SVJ a lot like that too.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Starting Strength - Incorporating Half Squats Link..
« on: June 10, 2011, 08:36:01 pm »
Quote from: Mark Rippetoe
Any athlete that has a legit TRAINED 36-38" SVJ started out with a 30-32+.

Let me ask you people this:

What does "started out" mean? It's not a  definable thing. What does starting out mean? That when I was 1 year old I could jump 32? That when I started to grow I could jump 32? That when I got past teenage I was jumping 32? That I can jump 32 without doing any training whatsoever? What about playing sports? Doesn't that affect my SVJ? What if I squat for bodybuilding purposes for 5 years already? What if I don't squat at all? What if I'm a powerlifter or Olympic lifter that doesn't train for a SVJ?

And so on and so forth. What does "started out" mean? This is stupid beyond anything I can think of.

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: beast
« on: June 10, 2011, 08:26:34 pm »
This guy is 5'6 and jumps 6'10

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTQnx_wmj_o" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTQnx_wmj_o</a>

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Joel Smith's one-leg jump peak program
« on: June 10, 2011, 08:23:25 pm »
Current endeavours of Joel:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pux49yiIhMw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pux49yiIhMw</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jeeULkUQjo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jeeULkUQjo</a>

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Clean to bodyweight pr at 1.46x, Need to get my squat up though as it is only around 315lb right now.

How explosive can you be with that clean and squat?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« on: June 10, 2011, 07:47:15 pm »
Derails? Boy they have some old trains out there don't they?

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Starting Strength - Incorporating Half Squats Link..
« on: June 10, 2011, 09:42:14 am »
I don't get one thing: what is this thread really about? I mean, the half squat is a SPP strength exercise in athletics (track&field and other sports). It also can be used as GPP for people that get enough glute and general muscle stimulation with the half squat and that don't perform full squats well due to structural factors/flexibility factors/injuries/don't care about the full squat.

If the half squat does it's thing as a strength increase exercise then what's the beef?

Also, as a SPP exercise, it trains the reversal strength in the same exact point where a guy would want to reverse the eccentric into concentric. That will never happen with full squats. It's such an important factor in doing half squats instead of full squats.

Now you could come in and say "yeah but you could do full squats + depth jumps and get the best of both worlds."

Well yeah, you can, if you ignore the shocks in the joints that the depth jumps would generate. Those over time will take their toll. With half squats you can overload that eccentric, coupling and concentric phases without having to get these shocks.

So I think you don't have to be a genius to understand this and you don't need any more than these few phrases^^^ here to sum it up. There's no need for such a big discussion.

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