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Ok, fair enough but then everyone else would be taking them too and you would be in the same position as you are now relative to everyone in your sport. You would have no option but to resort back to the dreaded barbell to find that extra edge. Say your ultimate goal is a 45" vertical knowing that the human limit is about 50", would you still have the same goal if people started jumping 60". Probably not, you'd say shit if they can jump 60" I know I can hit 50". Its our nature to never be satisfied, so as long as the competitive environment is equal for everyone, what's the difference? If steroids were legal and everyone took them, I'd definitely do the same but what difference would it really make. The people that were better than me before would still be better so nothing at all has changed.

What I really love and care about is the pain and suffering from working as hard as my body and mind can endure (while being smart about it of course). For some reason that suffering just gives me life and excites me more than anything. Then my satisfaction comes when I realize I'm stronger, faster, and more athletic from my training. Even if I take steroids and my performance jumps to another level, I'm still going to train to get the same feeling and to try to get even better. In essence, nothing would change. I really believe in the cliche, "its the journey that matters not the destination".

Yeah I completely agree with this ^^^

But it shouldn't be "wrong" or "imorral" if people would take roids. They should be legalized.

The only thing about roids that is wrong is if an athlete signs that he doesn't take any and competes in a roid-free environment while taking them.

Well you just demonstrated why we all, as athletes or aspiring athletes, should be allowed to take them. We could focus more on the sport itself and get better at it and not waste time doing stupid repetitions with a barbell. That should be limited to people in that sport - powerlifting, Olympic lifting and so on.

The barbell should be the actual display of sport prowess (with the aid of roids) and not the means to get to that display.

Simply because it's much more inefficient.

If we want to be so "moral" (although I have no idea how that word applies here) we should throw our computers out the window since they are efficient and start working with stone and wood. Do all mathematical calculations on paper. Forget robots, do all work manually. Don't grow food by any means, walk around the planet in search of the proper foods etc etc etc. Endless examples.

It's just a matter of efficiency. Steroids are superior to pretty much anything => the logical way is to use them.

If you were standing next to me, I swear I would kiss you.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Just because random person A and random person B came in to say "roids are illegal, I worked my butt out to be the best bodybuilder/athlete/powerlifter etc etc etc with barbells, that's the alpha way" and shit like this doesn't make that person GOD that decides what rules there should be applied to YOU. He's just a man like you are, shitting through the same shit hole (thought that would get a better picture of how similar we are).

So why not use roids vs other methods of increasing strength/lowering bodyfat? I see not reason why except health related which, done correctly, shouldn't be that bad. And like you said, same pretty much applies to barbell squats and any other high tension thing done on your body.

You can also do standing ab wheel rollouts on an inclined surface if you can find any. That will be easier. And once you get good at them it will be easier to do them on a normal surface.

Can you do hanging straight leg raises without your back supported? Or does your butt go back when you do them?

Well it is, but there's no upperbody work. Remember, volume is going to be extremely low with the squats and deadlifts, just two sets stopping way before failure.

I swear I thought you were going to jump after the first step you took... it really looked like a drop into a jump your first left leg step you did haha.

What's going on with your SI? What did you feel?

Yeah that's Myree.