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Quote from: Raptor on April 05, 2016, 04:03:20 pm

When he gets some glutes? Wasn't he saying that he's hip thrusting 200+ for reps? Doesn't sound like lack of glute development to me.

The problem with using an exercise to gauge power.  He can't jump more than 30'' and he is incredibly slow.   Watch his dunk videos and you see a guy who has undeveloped glutes that don't fire.  Hip thrusts are a good glute activator but they use a small range of motion and the load doesn't necessarily equate to power very well.  I can get a good workout hip thrusting 225lbs or 505lbs - I have never "maxed" my hip thrust and don't need to.  One of the biggest evaluation mistakes you can make (and usually it's self evaluation where we make it) is when we assume that an athlete can do "X" so therefore that part of the body is clearly not the problem.   It usually comes from an athlete doing an isolation exercise of limited range of motion and assuming that means that muscle is not an issue.  Classic example is a slow sprinter with weak hamstrings who can do something silly like a "Natural GHR" assuming that "I don't have weak hamstrings so that can't be the issue" but not realizing that using your hamstrings as a knee flexor with your knees on the floor doesn't have much to do with hamstring power or development in hip extension during a sprint.  Watch an athlete move dynamically an locate where he has weakness rather than referring to a gym lift as evidence of anything.   

I agree with that. But you can't say he "has no glutes". You can say he isn't using the glutes that he already has at a pretty good level in terms of strength (yes, isolated movement strength, gym work strength, whatever) well in dynamic movements. That I can agree with. On the other hand, he doesn't seem too fast in ANY movement so I'm not sure it's the glutes' fault - it's either his desire to be fast (he is just "sleepy", "lazy" when he plays or whatever), or his CNS is slow.

We can test that if he agrees to film some "glute unrelated movements" dynamically (can't come up with an idea now) or that keyboard type test (where you press the spacebar as fast as you can for 10 seconds and see what kind of numbers you come with to test "quickness" or CNS speed). I know, silly tests, but they might provide some information (relevant or not).

Back to the glutes idea, I would do dynamic glute movements if I were maxent - KB swings (a ton of them, focusing on the "hip snap"), med ball tosses (focusing on the hip snap), double leg bounds, depth jumps for length etc. I know a lot of these things have a horizontal component in them in terms of hip action - if anybody has any idea about a vertical hip dynamic movement... I'm all ears. Maybe SVJs to rim with little knee travel and a lot of hip bend/hinge (like what Toddday was trying to do in his depth jumps videos).

Plus sprints. If I were as slow as maxent, I would say "fuck this, I will do sprints like crazy" and try different distances and give 110% effort on them. Not only are they great plyometric exercises but also train the hip hyperextension, the posterior chain dynamically, the calves dynamically, stiffen the Achilles etc, all the good stuff.

Obviously, all these besides playing actual aggressive ball (especially on defense, since you don't have the ball and can move freely, you can be quicker/faster defensively and you'll benefit from that type of multi-directional "plyo work").

These are what I feel are the most sensible things for maxent at this moment.

50-65 $ an hour? Wait... so that would be the salary I get per month in one day.

Quote from: Raptor on April 05, 2016, 02:43:15 am

How can anyone be 6'3 165? I don't understand. I mean it's really hard to imagine someone like that, I've probably seen in the far past one or two guys like that but they could barely stand on their feet and were slow and uncoordinated as fuck.

By the way - I've rarely seen people use their hips properly when they do backwards med ball tosses. The VAST majority of them use their arms with the hips barely doing any work. Of all the people I know, I really really use the hips. Which is weird because of all the people I know, I don't use the hips at all on the powerclean. Very interesting how this is so different.

Well you feel like you use your hips... but how do you know that?  And who are the vast majority.   These NFL guys toss the 12lb ball almost 30 yards.   That's impossible if you only use arms...

Try to take the word "only" less literal than you currently are taking it. Of course they use their hips, it's not 100% arms and 0% hips, just like in my case it isn't 0% arms and 100% hips. How do I know that? Watching video and feeling the complete extension/hyperextension. Some people end their hip extension movement and then they still continue moving their arms, and then release the med ball at the moment their arms stop moving. So it's a sequence where the hips aren't doing anything and if anything, they just added some "momentum" to the arms or whatever (try not to take this literal again, you know very well what I mean). The difference in timing might be (very) small, but it's there, and it makes a difference.

In my case, and a few other cases of a friend I was training with, the timing is perfect and it looks like an Olympic lift, a continuous movement where the medball is "launched" by the hips through the hands, but most of the time what I see is this lack of timing and the overuse of the arms to throw the ball.

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How can anyone be 6'3 165? I don't understand. I mean it's really hard to imagine someone like that, I've probably seen in the far past one or two guys like that but they could barely stand on their feet and were slow and uncoordinated as fuck.

By the way - I've rarely seen people use their hips properly when they do backwards med ball tosses. The VAST majority of them use their arms with the hips barely doing any work. Of all the people I know, I really really use the hips. Which is weird because of all the people I know, I don't use the hips at all on the powerclean. Very interesting how this is so different.

146?!

That's lighter than my highschool days. I weighed 67 kg back then. 144 = 66 kg. The least I've ever weighed was 64 kg when I was 21, due to eating 1 per day off ~5$ per day, me and my mom. So I was living with 2.5$ per day for food then.

Back in high school I would jump the highest after doing "warm up and gymnastics" stuff for 50 minutes. I would be extraordinarily tired yet jump like crazy (but I was light, at 67 kg).

Now I probably jump the highest after 1 or 2 aggressive games of 3 on 3 (I rarely if ever play 5 on 5, I have no place/nobody to play with). Whenever I play 5 on 5 I feel so reactive, so much blood in my legs - I bet if I would play 5 on 5 consistently I wouldn't even need too much plyo work, except for actual jumps.

But I think the heavier you are, the more the jumps need to come "first" - or else by the time you get to jumping you'll be tired, your legs will be filled with blood and you'll be "muscle-bound", not reactive.

At least this is my experience with this so far.

I always wondered - do you do that with a phone with the GPS turned on in one of your pockets or how?