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Exactly ^^^

That's why I want to cut down on squatting as of right now. I have plenty of time to squat in the winter when I don't do anything else at all since it's snow outside and I don't have a gym to play into.

It makes sense to cut down on squats right now therefore, maybe just squat every day VERY low volumes and do some KB swings and that's it.

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But these are with MONEY!

Interesting, although I had protein powder coming through my esophagus while squatting, so...

Well in the past the shock and collapse would've happen in the VMO area. Right now the shock and feeling of weakness when the collapse occurs happens in the lower part of the hamstring of the left leg (I can feel the part just above the knee stiffen up and giving up and the knee goes forward). So interestingly enough, the quad doesn't feel overload but instead that ^^^ happens.

So, like I said, maybe the hamstring contracts eccentrically to prevent hip collapse and as the hamstring contracts the quad needs to relax - and this leads to the knee going forwards.

Because the hip can collapse too (get too low) and maybe that's happening. No idea if I'm right or not.

Lance was hinting towards the hamstring not being able to maintain the same length during the plant if I'm right but still, what does that have to do with the knee? Maybe if the hamstring contracts more on the knee end then knee flexion occurs and that's it - the knee goes forward and collapses into the jump.

Well because it's summer and I can't play ball or dunk because I squat. I can squat all winter long when I don't have a place to play, but right now it would be cool if I didn't have all that squat fatigue in my body and I could enjoy playing after squatting non-stop all winter long.

Quote from: Raptor on June 23, 2011, 04:42:25 am

Yesterday - tying squat 120x5.

Good job dude!

Flander's pulls are through the roof...

Thanks Steven, hopefully I'll get 122.5 x 5 next time in.

That black guy with yellow shoes and black&yellow shorts standing idle there looked like Eric Snow. Never knew you play NBA players over there.

Would you say that the limiting factor is hamstring "responsiveness" in preventing knee collapse at high speed in a one-leg jump. According to Lance, once the quad is developed pretty well, it's not even the hamstring strength that's the limiting factor, it's how the hamstring comports itself in a high speed plant.

At first I wasn't sure he's right but now I'm convinced he is. I can do about 8-10 natural glute ham raises no problem, yet I still have knee collapse issues in my plants, especially as I'm not warmed up. The knee just goes forward and I fail my jump. And apparently, lately, it happens as I feel the knee part of the hamstring not being able to cope with the shock.

It still doesn't make any sense in my mind biomechanically as the quad should contract eccentrically to stop the knee from going forward and not the hamstring. The only thing I see is the hamstring contracts eccentrically to prevent hip collapse and as the hamstring contracts the quad needs to relax - and this leads to the knee going forwards. That's the only thing I can see happen.