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Quote from: Raptor on July 21, 2011, 02:28:53 pm

If you put a bigger and heavier engine in a car, it will have a bigger power production (positive effect) but it will burn more fuel and maybe, due to the higher forces, wear some other components out (negative effect).

So? A car with a really weak motor will still not drive fast, even if other components are at a lower risk for "wearing out".

Of course. That's why I said the positive outweigh the negatives up until a certain point (which people are usually far from).

By the way, discovered something else:

If I point my feet A LOT to the sides then I can bend forward without much pain if at all in the buttock. If I have my feet oriented forward, then the pain is pretty severe at the top of my left buttock. I think this is consistent with the piriformis syndrome.

Now this is something to keep in mind while squatting - it appears that if I have a narrow stance and the feet are not oriented to the sides at least a for a bit (or more) then bad things will happen. I'm writing this because other people might experience the same thing and they didn't discovered it.

PS. And seriously, that's a back extension.

He increases his LBM by 10% , 187lbs. Lets say that with those 17lbs of LBM he also added 5lbs of fat, total 35.

You lost me here. Choose it: either 17 lbs or 35?

don't get why you put that one here, raptor.

Because it's funny. Never seen that type of machine before.

Raptor, I am sorry, but that was the biggest bunch of shit I have ever read from you.

Quote from: Raptor on July 21, 2011, 10:44:27 am

I think that mass, of any kind, is DETRIMENTAL to athleticism to an extent, but muscle gain for some people, even as additional mass, gives more than it takes away in terms of benefits vs. detriments.

That in and off itself is a contradiction. Everything that follows makes even less sense. Please put some thought into these posts because some people might actually take this seriously.

How it's a contradiction? I think mass is detrimental but additional leg muscle at a sub ~2.5 squat helps more than it kills. Meaning - you get a higher force output as a + but you need more effort from the CNS/core/other untrained small muscles to move as a - . I see the CNS power in absolute terms (like everyone of us having a battery in their bodies) that is drained more by the additional mass it has to move around, regardless of it's nature.

I think that mass, of any kind, is DETRIMENTAL to athleticism to an extent, but muscle gain for some people, even as additional mass, gives more than it takes away in terms of benefits vs. detriments.

What I mean by that is the fact that the CNS, body, whatever you want to call it, has to receive proprioceptive signals from the body to determine body position etc. It will always have that. But (and this is just my belief, no scientific background whatsoever) with a heavier mass it "believes" (and maybe that's true) it needs a much higher effort to decelerate/amortizate/control/coordinate both intra and inter-muscularily.

Now we have to define what effort means. In my opinion it's a matter of core strength, body awareness, stabilizer muscle recruitment/necessity of recruitment, and just overall the need of stronger/faster signals because more mass is present. Which takes more effort to make all this happen from the CNS.

If a guy is weak though he will need more muscle in order to actually GAIN from the additional force that muscle will provide vs the whatever negatives, if my case really exist, that will provide as well.

With bodyfat that's even worse - it's just a weight that your CNS and muscles will need to worry about and move around and exert additional effort to do so. It can change the body's center of mass a bit and that might move you out of the optimal firing position to a specific movement. That instead will make you use some muscles more and some muscles less and all sorts of shitty things will happen.

At least this is how I view things.

What happens if you try two handed dunks with a basketball? Is it hard because the ball is bigger or because it's heavier, or both?

I think THE MOST common thing I personally see in people starting to squat and not be able to get lower is the fact that they either:

a) Not have a wide enough stance

and/or

b) Have their feet oriented forward (which usually goes hand in hand with a narrow stance) instead of orienting them a bit to the outside to allow a better "hip opening" while going down into the squat.

So they need to play with that before they address anything more complicated.