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Raptor, I am sorry, but that was the biggest bunch of shit I have ever read from you.

Quote from: Raptor on July 21, 2011, 10:44:27 am

I think that mass, of any kind, is DETRIMENTAL to athleticism to an extent, but muscle gain for some people, even as additional mass, gives more than it takes away in terms of benefits vs. detriments.

That in and off itself is a contradiction. Everything that follows makes even less sense. Please put some thought into these posts because some people might actually take this seriously.

How it's a contradiction? I think mass is detrimental but additional leg muscle at a sub ~2.5 squat helps more than it kills. Meaning - you get a higher force output as a + but you need more effort from the CNS/core/other untrained small muscles to move as a - . I see the CNS power in absolute terms (like everyone of us having a battery in their bodies) that is drained more by the additional mass it has to move around, regardless of it's nature.

I think that mass, of any kind, is DETRIMENTAL to athleticism to an extent, but muscle gain for some people, even as additional mass, gives more than it takes away in terms of benefits vs. detriments.

What I mean by that is the fact that the CNS, body, whatever you want to call it, has to receive proprioceptive signals from the body to determine body position etc. It will always have that. But (and this is just my belief, no scientific background whatsoever) with a heavier mass it "believes" (and maybe that's true) it needs a much higher effort to decelerate/amortizate/control/coordinate both intra and inter-muscularily.

Now we have to define what effort means. In my opinion it's a matter of core strength, body awareness, stabilizer muscle recruitment/necessity of recruitment, and just overall the need of stronger/faster signals because more mass is present. Which takes more effort to make all this happen from the CNS.

If a guy is weak though he will need more muscle in order to actually GAIN from the additional force that muscle will provide vs the whatever negatives, if my case really exist, that will provide as well.

With bodyfat that's even worse - it's just a weight that your CNS and muscles will need to worry about and move around and exert additional effort to do so. It can change the body's center of mass a bit and that might move you out of the optimal firing position to a specific movement. That instead will make you use some muscles more and some muscles less and all sorts of shitty things will happen.

At least this is how I view things.

What happens if you try two handed dunks with a basketball? Is it hard because the ball is bigger or because it's heavier, or both?

I think THE MOST common thing I personally see in people starting to squat and not be able to get lower is the fact that they either:

a) Not have a wide enough stance

and/or

b) Have their feet oriented forward (which usually goes hand in hand with a narrow stance) instead of orienting them a bit to the outside to allow a better "hip opening" while going down into the squat.

So they need to play with that before they address anything more complicated.

Quote from: Raptor on July 20, 2011, 06:58:33 am

Quote from: Clarence on July 20, 2011, 06:46:41 am

Quote from: Raptor on July 20, 2011, 01:48:10 am

I'm not sure what the hope is for the guy. I mean, he's dedicated but has failed to actually DO stuff that works, even when presented to him, again and again.

Ouch.

Well yeah, some people just don't get it (think CoolColJ). They stay at their huge bodyfat or low strength and expect to act athletically, and then, when they actually do work and put effort to get their strength right and athleticism they mess up with doing silly stuff like marathons and endless conditioning or just do something else.

How about you? lol

Blasphemy!!!!!!!

No but really, where do you see me do that?

Brb, candy.

I squatted more at 81.5 kg than at my former 86 kg. Granted, I didn't try 145 back then.

Goat as in those promised by Taylor Allan?

Quote from: mj on July 20, 2011, 02:46:05 am

Quote from: LanceSTS on July 18, 2011, 03:13:51 pm

Quote from: Ineedtodunk on July 18, 2011, 03:08:41 pm

Wait a minute, the thing about this is, not only are my glutes not getting sore, but I don't feel it in my glutes at all during my squats or trap bar dead lifts or conventional dead lifts lol.  And I am doing the DL's in a lower body dominant way, using my hips, etc..

Also adarq, I try to do my squats sitting back as much as I can. 

Does this mean my glutes are not being worked out?  I definitely feel it in my quads and hams on each rep, but don't feel shit on my glutes.

  If youre sitting back and not getting the glutes engaged, youre probably over arching the low back, putting more stress on the hams and less on the glutes.  Video of your squat would be the easiest way to tell.

If someone has an exaggerated lordodic curve could this be a recurring problem, engaging the glutes I mean? I've always had trouble activating the glutes on all the big lifts like old mate above and have a bit of an exaggerated curve happening. I remember after squatting for about 6 months I got accidentally hit a groove on one rep where my glutes really fired. Surprised the hell out of me!

Tried all the stretching etc but can't seem to get rid of it. I only get really good glute input when my torso is bolt upright, which it can't be in squats cause I have looong femurs. Pretty frustrating. I end up turning to hip thrusts etc to feel the glutes work but this is a band aid fix.

Sorry 4 the hijack.

yea that groove you hit was just likely closer to "neutral", and put the pelvis in a more optimal position for the glutes to fire. 

One thing ive found that helps people in your situation is to actually contract the abdominals isometrically, but not allow the trunk to flex.  It sounds strange but if you try it you can understand the position better.  The contraction will keep an already exaggerated curve from being as big of a factor, and help you attain a slightly less "bowed" position in your lifts.  This is one of the reasons its easier for most people to feel the glutes working during exercises like zercher squats vs traditional. 

one thing that really helps is to use pauses at different spots in the lifts, for example pause briefly and hold at the bottom of the squat until you "feel" the glutes firing hard.  Practice keeping the abdominals "tensed" without allowing the spine to flex and see if that doesnt solve your issue.

Wonder what happens if he does 1&1/2 squats.

Strangely enough, for me, I had a great glute soreness the first time I did half squats. Interesting.