Well if he had the strength to safely do off the backboard Avishek drops then he probably could jump pretty high as well is my guess. We all know how efficient bone-wise Avishek drops are.
Maybe, but my point of this thread is that I bend forward at the waist when I jump, not necessarily when I squat. It also happens in the deadlift. I just can't sink well at the hips - I've seen people that do that so well without getting out of position or balance, they just sink into their hips backward with almost no forward knee transition (for an extreme, think Steve Cotter).
If you put me to do that I'd definitely bend forward or I'd fall back. Cotter was talking about the lower abs not firing or something like that to prevent the falling back from happening. So the issue is with jumping... my natural tendency when jumping off two feet is not to throw my legs forward and jump (and involve the hips) but to plant my legs under me as in a standing VJ and jump like that, which automatically means bend at the knees a lot. If I want to jump with hip involvement I have to think about that before the jump (actually before the run-up itself) so it's not natural but voluntary.
A long penultimate usually will mean a low penultimate as well. It's in the search of "low" that you do that long step, and pretty much everybody else does IMO. If you reach out with your leg forward you will automatically lower your center of gravity as well.
What if you get your penultimate LOWER instead of longer? It might be better as there will be less breaking effect due to length, that is currently occuring.
Check 3:40 here where he talks about seeing the shirt in the mirror. I can't really do that, I can barely lift my chest enough to see my chest in the mirror, meaning my chest is almost parallel to the ground:
This also happens when I jump. When I plant off two legs, VOLUNTARILY trying to throw my feet forward in front on my body (otherwise I have the tendency to put both my legs straight under me like in a one-leg jump), my upperbody automatically bends forward as in an effort to try to stabilize the center of mass, and from there everything messes up.
The people I see that jump very well are the people that can plant with the feet in front of the body and kind of sinked into the hips with the torso almost erect (as in sitting in a chair basically) but because they have good approach speed in the plant they don't fall on the back but instead go up.
For me it's more a matter of preventing myself on falling on the back, on the heels, and thus bending forward at the waist. I want to correct that in both the deadlift and the jump.
How can I correct that? I don't even know the the nature of the problem is: flexibility, bad mechanics (using the wrong muscles in the wrong places), or just a mental thing that forces me to take into account these possible scenarios and make me get into these positions.
It's really weird and I lose tons of inches in my VJ. Even in my SVJ you can see that I go a bit down at the hips, knees bend forward BUT MY TORSO GOES DOWN and comes close to being parallel with the ground.
So instead just going down as in a squat with a torso as much as vertical as possible, I do a goodmorning and jump opening up my chest instead of using the legs.
I have a quick question that is VERY important for me to solve as of this moment: what is required in terms of flexibility for someone to be able to get in a low squat position without bending forward at the waist? As in to keep the torso erect and vertical, as much as perpendicular to the ground as possible?
Also, where do you need to be flexible to do a proper below parallel overhead squat?
As of this moment, whenever I jump off two feet I always (ALWAYS) bend a lot at the waist and jump forward or collapse into the jump (and no, I'm not overanalyzing, this is a serious issue). I look at a lot of people and they're always able to throw their legs forward and keep a vertical torso and jump, I can't do that. And my two footed jump suffers immensly because of that. It's also very frustrating.
So any ideas? What's the flexibility limitation that keeps on forcing me to bend forward at the waist (also happens in the deadlift, I can't keep a vertical torso to save my life or my spine - in a deadlift my torso is almost parallel instead of perpendicular to the ground).
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