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You jump damn high for having 17.5%. My lack of jumping ability is well documented/explained on my log but if you're right about your bf estimate, I have a little more LBM and half as much fat as you (150#/33# vs 153#/17#) but my jumps are no better than yours and are actually probably an inch or so shorter.

No real point there, just sayin' good work. If you lean out a little while maintaining strength I bet you'd go through the roof.

Haha , thanks!
That bf% is just an estimation though , from the site Kelly suggests : http://home.fuse.net/clymer/bmi/
I just keep updating it just as a reference because thats the online estimator that i used from the beginning.
I also have a bodyfat measuring scale that says im ~15%. Thats how i feel and look too.
As for jumping , i think its because i have much stronger and bigger legs than upper body.
My chest and shoulders are more or less weak , back and arms are fair , but quads and calves are very big and strong , naturally.

He has to be kidding...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6f82QIb2KE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6f82QIb2KE</a>

Quote from: vag on March 13, 2010, 06:54:17 am

That was final session chasing PRs, thats where i am currently , going back to training now.

what did you mean by "final session chasing PR's"?

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I meant that it felt like i cant do better currently.
All latest sessions had some kind of "excuse"
Too cold , humidity , wet court , soreness , fucked up runups , not feeling it bla bla bla.
So i kept chasing a good session, to see where my max RVJ/SVJs are.
This one was perfect, felt good , coordinated , feeling all jumps as maximal etc
So thats what i meant "final" session, entering a strength training cycle i expect my jumps to drop for a while...

Planing my next routine(s):

I think i want to go back to traditional strength training for a while.
Want to add some limit strength and mass, i felt much better when bulked than now.
Also reviewing my whole journal , i think the best jumps where at the peak of the strength training cycle , when i was ~200lbs and ~19%bodyfat.

Anyway , the big picture is:

2 Cycles of traditional strength training ( like 5weeks+1week unloading )
That would be like ~12 weeks , until mid June that is.
Then turn it to reactive + squating MSEM for strength maintenance till September.

Strength cycle will be like:
Day1:
Squat 5x5
Romanian deadlift 3x8
Calves 3x12
Lat pulldowns

Day2:
Squat 5RM ( or maybe MSEM?)
BSS 3x8
Calves 3x12
Bench

Plyos = a dunk session before the heavy squats ( day 1 ) and possibly some DJs or RVJs before day2.
Also some cardio ( including  sprints ) on off days.

What is strange about this is that the just jump mat via it's patent filing uses a standard hangtime calculator, yet, it consistently reads slightly higher than what my vertec jump is when I measured them simultaneously. From your video, I should have seen a drastic decrease in my vertical, yet I saw a slight bump.

I thought of that too. I can only speculate this:
jumpmat , through getting readings all the time, starts timing not from take-off ( when force is 0 ) but from the peak of the force applied. That would probably be with feet still on the ground. Maybe my correction speculation ( correction = toes up reach - flatfooted reach ) is wrong , and the correct correction is that.
Or maybe ( i highly doubt that ) it just uses some standard correction like 5'' which would be correct in more cases but not in all.
Anyway i was not refering to jumpmat , im sure its pretty accurate , i was refering to counting time/frames in the air and calculating your jump from that with the hangtime calculation...

9 March 2010

Weight@session : ~187lbs

Dynamic warmup 5'
Lateral line hops 3x10sec
1x5 18'' depth jumps for stimulation.

5 mins rest.

10' rim jumps:
1x5 SVJs : ~26''
2x5 RVJs : ~30,5'' , runups felt a little better, but not a lot.

Then i tried some dunks, again runup + height the same stalled feeling and result.
And then i tried to use my left hand to dunk , ive never done that before since im right-handed and it feels much more natural with my right hand.
And... BOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!
- Grip is 10 times stronger , i can easily palm the ball constantly when i have to really try with right!
- The rotation at takeoff feels much more natural and fluid.
- That boosted my confidence too and suddently my 3-step runups were better than ever.

Got probably my 2 best runup-jump-dunk's ever!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhAqlMFSRiw

Awesome shit!

sup man, i looked at them a few times..

first vid, your legs look alot stronger, but your runups are shorter.

second vid, runups are longer, but legs look a bit weaker..

which vid are you jumping higher in? first?

combine that strength with a further runup, via practice or whatever, and these jumps should eclipse those.

what do you think ?

They are mixed videos , there exist dunks from the  same sessions in both of them.
The only way to recognise which was 'later' is the format , early summer is 4:3 , deep summer 16:9
But indeed as time progressed away from gym i was getting springier/leaner but weaker.
I think the best jumps where somewhere in the middle. ~1month without lifting.
This is where you can see a few jumps that are both powerfull and with longer runup.

At this time ( june 2009 ) i have touched that 9'10'' rim  9'' lower on my hand. I thought back then that it was 9'11,5'' so i thought i could jump 33,5''.
1 week after i was at 2 different gyms , and it was the only time ever i could get my wrist to the rim, consistently. That was actualy 33'' which is my PR, but thinking my PR was 33,5'' i didnt record those as PR in my mind.
Then i remeasured the 9'10'' rim and changed my PR to 32'' , forgeting i had those 33'' legit jumps in the middle.

Conclusion #1 : Im reajusting my RVJ PR to 33'' Hurrayyyyyy!
Conclusion #2 : My best jumps are when i combine strength with reactivity ( no shit!!! ).
Conclusion #3 : Fuck it all , spinach is like roids , gonna gain 55inches in 3 weeks!

damn.. sux that it made everything go haywire, but don't give in, the 31" fluid jumps were good.

just try and keep that stuff out of your mind until after you're done with the 1-2 step runups... literally give 3 step runups a "who gives a shit" mentality..

it's kind of like, when I would coach people on their ten yard dash. some people run it in 8 steps, their leg turnover looks like a machine gun, but they aren't going anywhere. So we work on bringing them down to 6 steps in the ten. Some people instantly run better 10 yard dash times, others get slower times. For the people who run slower times, it takes a few weeks and then they are fine, but initially they feel like crap.

peace man

Yes , it was just like that. And i knew it when it was happening too. I tried to empty my mind but couldnt.
Its ok , as i said i need to take a step back to improve runups. Those fluid jumps felt so good. The idea of having them constantly is sick!