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Real men aspire to look like:

Why?

Not enough time to put on significant muscle, and if you are doing an all out bulk, you're gonna end up burning all the muscle you gained to get off the fat unless you take 6 months to cut.

I did not comment on it because I have no interest in speculating about Rippetoe's motives to post pictures of Zach. Your perception is that he did that to brag about aesthetic aspects - as if that was the only thing in the world people would have an interest in bragging about. Rip has posted his opinion on training for physique more than once and his thoughts about that lead me to believe that he does not have a motive to brag with anything related to training for aesthetics. But as I said, there is no point in discussing this and I am also not interested in your opinion on the matter.

I also see little value in this "what is more impressive" debate and I think you fail to see the point. You obviously lack the ability to imagine that there are people training for different things then to look good in the mirror and that those people don't train with the goal in mind to impress you with their amazing abs and low body fat percentage. They might not even care how much they weigh, they only care to get stronger. But I am sure this did never occur to you.

P.S.: A box squat is not a squat.

If you aren't trying to impress us with your bodyfat % or your weight, then don't bring it up.

http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?t=15386


What does he talk about the most in that post? His gain in his squat? No. He talks about how much muscle he gained and how "lean" he is. If the only thing he cared about was getting stronger, he wouldn't have posted any of that. Look at the comments on that forum post. They are talking about his weight gain, because that is what Rippetoe was bragging about. But no, just because anyone in their right mind can tell he just became a fat fuck, to you Rippetoe wasn't bragging about the weight gain at all, just the squat gain.


And I only pushed myself on box squats, so come at me

Quote from: JCsBck on November 03, 2010, 06:26:36 pm

And gaining 65 pounds but only putting on 200 pounds on your squat is pretty lousy imo.

And your best squat was what again?

355 box squat at 182. Not impressive at all, but am I bragging about that? No. All I care about is aesthetic progress, which is why I post shirtless pictures. I don't post shirtless pictures to brag about my squat.

Gaining 45 pounds of muscle and 20 pounds of fat should look pretty good aesthetically. IDC what rippetoe thinks the calipers said, the kid did not gain 45 pounds of muscle. I think taking pictures of the kid without his shirt on his bragging about the aesthetics, or at least trying to show how he progressed aesthetically. I don't know too many people who brag about putting 200 pounds on their squat by posting a shirtless picture, where they look like theyve gained no muscle.

And gaining 65 pounds but only putting on 200 pounds on your squat is pretty lousy imo.

Yes. 4 in a pack for 7 dollars, yes sir.

Quote from: Raptor on November 02, 2010, 03:22:04 pm

Because in order to get a high caloric intake, I need carbs and shit. Fat is going to increase. I can't worry "OMG I don't want to gain fat, so I won't eat that and that". I'm already taking just a protein shake with no carbs, maybe I should plus on the carb thing with that as well.

I'm not really a fan of dirty bulks, this guy is massive & has a pretty good grasp on gaining lean mass, so he's more of an authoritative figure than myself:

http://www.adarq.org/forum/nutrition-supplementation/a-post-by-mountain-man-on-body-composition/msg19994/#msg19994

^^ here's who is giving that advice: http://www.adarq.org/forum/bodybuilding/scary-motherfawkers/msg19988/#msg19988

just saying, you can eat cleaner & gain muscle without putting on very much fat at all, you just need to eat more of the right kinds of foods (eggs/meat/chicken/milk/protein supp/green veggies) & less of the bad kinds of foods (junk/sugars/huge servings of pasta/bread etc).. You can of course eat pasta/bread, but it should be in smaller portions. Stuffing your face with carbs is never a good idea for bulking imo.

Anyway, any time you think about just stuffing your face with trash to put on muscle, just look at this pic, it'll save your life:



dirty bulking = lame.

pc

Quote from: Kellyb on November 02, 2010, 03:38:30 pm

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The advantage that I see for the olympic lifts and their variants over exercises such as jump squats is that they are better scalable and also involve a more complete pattern of hip flexion/extension. That does not mean that jump squats are a bad exercise, Kelly Bagget posted a nice variation here a while ago where you make jump squats and try to touch a band overhead with each rep. I like this idea since it makes progressing in that exercise a lot more quantifiable.

nice

I disagree. I only dirty bulk (and when I cut I dirty cut) and I'm leaner than I ever have been. The reason dreamer got so fat is because he ate way too much and lifted with 0 intensity (if he even lifted at all). Rippetoe's kid lifted hard but ate way too much. He did Gomad on top of what he was already eating. So if he was eating enough for maintenance, add 2400 calories to that. About 500-750 max will go into muscle building and the rest goes into fat storage. It has nothing to do with the dirty bulk. Adding 2400 calories of chicken breast would have given him the same results.

For me, it's always been a matter of calories in, calories out (as long as you get the "right" amount of protein. Eating 15 twix bars may have the right amount of calories (3750 which is pretty good for bulking purposes) but it won't give you the results of a balanced diet). It may be different for others, but that's how its been for me. Obviously I'm just talking about weight gain/loss, not overall health. A clean diet would be way better for my health, but for muscle building purposes, who knows.

When I say dirty bulk, I'm saying eat whatever you want as long as you get the right amount of calories and enough protein (maybe 1g per pound of bodyweight. that's more than enough). I'm not saying eat whatever you want and disregard calories, acquire muscle.


And the easiest way to get calories in is to eat fat. You can do it easily with few carbs.