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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 25, 2012, 01:47:44 pm »
Right^^^

I've seen increases as much as ~50 cm total in my 3 consecutive 2-leg bounds after doing heavy hang powersnatches.

Without doing the hang powersnatches I was jumping ~7.80m and after doing heavy (for me that was 45-50 kg) hang powersnatches I set a new PR with 8.40m and IT REALLY FELT different as far as movement was concerned (like I was feeling I was jumping more "correctly", with more power coming from the hips/hips moving back to initiate the jumps vs power coming from the quads/knees going forward to load the quads to initiate the movement).

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: cowed77's time to get up!
« on: January 25, 2012, 01:41:57 pm »
Masturbate more often, increase deadlift grip. Easy.

Not that I ever did that, I heard it from friends...

 :ninja:

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 24, 2012, 05:45:05 pm »
What about back squatting or a more posterior chain dominant exercise like low bar back squats or deadlifts?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: The PR's/PB's, videos, pictures, and daily achievements thread
« on: January 24, 2012, 06:07:09 am »
[beastmode]

Quote from: vag on January 24, 2012, 04:53:03 am
Quote from: Flander on January 24, 2012, 12:00:39 am
Alot of the loggers have. PR forum.  :headbang:

Hard working forum = PR forum , its just as simple.

3x150kg(330lbs) half squat, 8x110kg(242lbs ) romanian deadlift , both@~86kg(~189lbs) BW ,  :personal-record:

[/beastmode]

 :wowthatwasnutswtf:

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 24, 2012, 06:02:15 am »
You people scare me with these %s. I can back squat low bar 150 kg and my best hang power clean is 77.5 kg (but I can't catch on the shoulders so that's a big limiting thing).

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 24, 2012, 05:55:05 am »
Damn nice :highfive: :ibsquatting: :wowthatwasnutswtf:

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 23, 2012, 05:56:52 pm »
What was the frequency in doing your power cleans?

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 23, 2012, 05:29:41 pm »
Quote from: T0ddday on January 23, 2012, 05:25:32 pm
Olympic lifts are the best way to bridge the two.

By this you mean the Olympic lifts themselves or you're actually meaning any kind of strength-speed exercise? If so, then you could substitute the O-lifts with jump squats and get the same if not more.

You could bridge that gap with jump squats and depth jumps.

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 23, 2012, 05:05:28 pm »
I agree ^^^

And yeah, upper body hypertrophy? :-X

The thing is - should you struggle with hang cleans and hang snatches (if you learn them by yourself etc) or should you just go with jump squats and that's it?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: The PR's/PB's, videos, pictures, and daily achievements thread
« on: January 23, 2012, 04:57:48 pm »
Thanks Flander, you have been doing good lately as well :highfive:

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: The PR's/PB's, videos, pictures, and daily achievements thread
« on: January 23, 2012, 04:05:02 pm »
140x7 deadlift :personal-record: today and close to passing out

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 23, 2012, 09:39:23 am »
Yeah I agree with you Steven about the dangers of squatting.

The thing with the snatch is that it's much easier to mess up and you're going to need to drop the bar from over your head to who knows where...

At least in my particular case, when I get to 50 kg that's already too much for my shoulders to hadle safely (I can get the bar overhead but in that position I can barely control it) so basically, even though I could use more weight and actually get benefits from that I can't. These exercises are an alternative to using more weight while still getting triple extension, an explosive movement and posterior chain dominant.

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 22, 2012, 04:20:57 pm »
Well yeah but a squat is more controllable exercise. The bar stays in one place (on your back) and you just move your body. You can also be much more precise in the amount of weight you can safely squat.

In a snatch you can miss a lift with what you'd think is a safe weight because it's much more technical. Plus, the bar flies around and needs to be stabilized by the arms/shoulders which is much harder to do. It's one thing to squat and another to jump with a heavy bar and put it over your head and we both know it.

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 22, 2012, 12:24:24 pm »
Right, and if by any chance you miss a lift and can't control the bar as it's over your head AND can't drop the bar, what do you do? :uhhhfacepalm:

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 22, 2012, 10:31:02 am »
You're missing the point ^^^

First off, gyms, in contrary to popular beliefs, don't grow in trees. In my area there are barely 3 gyms with 2 of them being pretty much "health" gyms with no free weights. The 3rd, where I go, has free weights but you won't see anybody doing snatches and cleans and dropping the bar on the floor.

These are perfectly acceptable exercises as clean and snatch replacements^^^

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