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As for the second timing of the flying 60m as whether it is 5.93 or 6.93. I timed based on the video and it was 5.93, but would appreciate if you could time the run in the video and give your results and I will go with that.


Well you timed it very wrong haha. Man, for an engineer you really have serious problems measuring things. But you don't even need to time it to know it can't be right, a 5.93 50m from a three-point start would be world class.

That is where the problem lies if I will be able to get to a track on a regular basis, this time it was just a one off thing to test myself. But I guess you would be correct in my timing.

I was hoping for some gym training as my sprint start was terrible as evident from the video.

If I was in Uni than joining a group was a possibility it was close by and I was part of an athletics group but now it really is not possible due to location and time.

Thanks for the feedback really appreciate it.

Well, do your best, but know that if you really want to improve, the training has to become more complex. I think the advice T0ddday gave you in your sig has become outdated. It wasn't wrong at the time and you seem to have improved from then by following it, but IMO if you want to get to a competitive sprint level from here you need specific strength and speed training that you just can't do on a soccer pitch. But then again, you're never very clear on whether you actually WANT to compete. Just decide on your goals and how badly you want to achieve them.

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OK so here are your results then:

Broad jump: ~2.4m

Highest touch: 9'2'' --> need your reach to calculate SVJ but it looked maybe around 20-22''

5 DL bounds: 11.5m

Flying 60m test:
20m - 2.97
50m - 5.90 --> is this meant to be a 6.90? Otherwise you're running a 2.93 30m split, followed by a 4.9 split...would make more sense to be a 3.93 and a 3.9
80m - 10.8

180m: 25.72sec

1200m: 4:53.54

Pushups: 40 // Pullups: 12 // V-situps: 30

Firstly, well done for doing everything. Here's how I'd rate it all if I were a coach:

Power: average to low --> broad jump: average to good // SVJ: low // 5 DL bounds: low

Speed: average --> flying 30m @ ~3.9-4.0 is not elite pace (for example, I run ~3.2-3.3 for ~12sec 100m FAT), but you maintained an approximately even split for the two flying 30m segments, which is good.

Fitness: average --> 180m was slow, indicating a lack of speed endurance atm (no surprise as you haven't been running far enough to improve your lactic threshold), although conditions didn't sound too good. The 3 lap test wasn't too bad, good work getting under 5mins.

Strength: hard to measure exactly because we couldn't see your form, lighter guys can knock out a lot more bodyweight reps, but 40 pushups and 12 pullups sounds pretty fair. It seems like you have decent strength endurance.

If you were to go out and run a 100m FAT tomorrow, based on these results I'd estimate you'd run about ~13.3-13.4 sec. You definitely have improved your speed to potentially a 13.0 level, but I'd say your fitness in the last 40m would slow you down. Your 200m wouldn't be pretty, maybe around 28.0 Again, you'd need to improve both your top-end speed and fitness a lot if you wanted to run a fast 200m.

Moving forward, you have to ascertain if you can train at the track and gym regularly. Your hill sprint program won't get it done if you really want to improve from here because they won't train your biggest weaknesses directly. I can give you workouts to do but it's really if you have the facilities to do them in. Also, joining a group again would be HUGELY beneficial for you.

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Good stuff. Keep it up and I'll comment once you've done everything.

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australians know who johnnie cochran is?

Yep, mainland Australia got TV in 1995 just in time for the trial. Before that we had to ride our kangaroos down to the local post office to get the news headlines via telegraph.

 :trollface:

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Thank you soo much, Will try and do those.

The one I fear the most is on friday, 1200m 3 laps go hard, I won't be able to do 100% but I will try find a good strong pace.

Will see if I can find a week, where I can do all of these in a track or a gym.

I don't have any spikes either, I can only get them online, will have to find one at a reasonable price.

Have some planning to do. But all seem doable, but I feel I may get tired in the middle of the 1200m run and then I will probably move at a walking pace.

pc

No. No, no, no, no, no. You HAVE to go 100%. That's the only way we'll know where your fitness is. Seriously, my coach loses his shit when he can tell people aren't trying in the fitness tests. You might think I'm being pedantic but trust me, if you have any ambitions about truly getting faster than a competitive 50yo masters athlete then you've got to train hard even in the non-sprinting parts of training! This is a turning point for you: you can either do these tests really hard and get some traction moving into your next phase or you can wimp out as usual. If that happens, seriously, think about playing croquet or something easier. Take heed from Johnnie Cochran's T&F coach brother: if you can't commit, you must quit.
When I mean 100% I mean running it all out like in the 100m, I can't even run 400m all out.
Unless by 100% you mean don't run top speed but run it hard around 70-80% of top speed and maintain that.

No, I just mean run it at 100% effort, not 100% intensity - that would be insane. Obviously you can't run it like a sprint. Just make sure you have nothing left at the end, go out hard like you would for a 200m/400m, then settle into a good pace and hold it. Don't let up, maintain the pace and sprint to the line. You should be aiming to run each lap around 85-90sec I'd say.

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Thank you soo much, Will try and do those.

The one I fear the most is on friday, 1200m 3 laps go hard, I won't be able to do 100% but I will try find a good strong pace.

Will see if I can find a week, where I can do all of these in a track or a gym.

I don't have any spikes either, I can only get them online, will have to find one at a reasonable price.

Have some planning to do. But all seem doable, but I feel I may get tired in the middle of the 1200m run and then I will probably move at a walking pace.

pc

No. No, no, no, no, no. You HAVE to go 100%. That's the only way we'll know where your fitness is. Seriously, my coach loses his shit when he can tell people aren't trying in the fitness tests. You might think I'm being pedantic but trust me, if you have any ambitions about truly getting faster than a competitive 50yo masters athlete then you've got to train hard even in the non-sprinting parts of training! This is a turning point for you: you can either do these tests really hard and get some traction moving into your next phase or you can wimp out as usual. If that happens, seriously, think about playing croquet or something easier. Take heed from Johnnie Cochran's T&F coach brother: if you can't commit, you must quit.

487
I think I can run the 100m under 14 seconds, as I was able to reduce my training time down by 2-3 seconds. So I am finished with that workout.

How do you know? Again, you've got to get rid of this hazy bullshit. Athletic training HAS to be crystal clear. Generally, good coaches will know what their athletes will run for a given meet within 0.2sec for the 100m. But they're not oracles: they are constantly measuring and timing things and combined with the eye test, this will give them an accurate gauge of current performance and more importantly, which direction the training program should be going.

It's great you're finally going to the track after your 8 month (!!) hill training phase. But before you devise any plans you should do a test week. Do it properly with a measuring tape and video. Film everything if you can. Get your brother to help you. Here's what you should do:

Mon: Power test

Max broad jump (have 4-5 attempts)

Max standing vertical jump (4-5) - measure a target and jump at it OR film it and we can estimate

5 consecutive DL bounds for distance (start about 10m away from the long jump pit)

Tues: Speed test

This is important. You're going to do a flying 60m test and you need to get the times for both 0-30m and 30m-60m. You'll start with a 20m lead-in before you hit the 0m mark. So it's 80m total with cones or marks at the -20m (start), 0m, 30m and 60m points. Get this on film so you can time it properly.

Warm up really well and do a few high speed run-throughs in spikes over 30m.

2-3x flying 60m test (if the second one feels good leave it there)

12mins rest (stay warm)

Then run a 180m sprint at 100% from a stand. You can either video this or get someone to time it manually.

Wed: Strength test in the gym

Warm up on the track as you normally do

Either max bench  - start with an easy 5 reps, then an easy 3 reps, then about 3-4 singles working up to failure (have a spotter) OR max pushups

Max pullups

Max V-situps

Then do one set of squats/RDLs/ham curls with an easy weight and leave.

Thurs: rest

Get a good hot bath and stretch in.

Fri: Fitness test

Warm up as usual

1200m time trial - 3 laps, go hard!

From this you'll get a really good idea of how fast you are and where your weaknesses are, then we can plan a good program for you.

Now it's really important that you actually DO all this properly! Ask if you have any questions. Don't wimp out and modify it in any way, even if you're tired. It's meant to be a tough week, but if you can get through it and do it well then you'll prove you can stay committed to a proper program.

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Still training! Been so busy with run-up to end of year. Going well overall. The sessions have looked like this:

Mon: pool runs+recovery

Tues: re-accelerations over 100m (usually between 4-6) + 200m sprint at the end

Wed: plyos + gym
- weighted plyos (SL and DL bounds x 5-7, LRLR x 40m with 4kg weight vest)
- gym (power pull: 65kgs x 10//squat: 1x7@1130kgs,1x5@140kgs, 1x3@145kgs,1x2@145kgs, 1x5@135kgs//bench: working up to 107.5 kgs x 3)

Thurs: speed endurance

- 3x100m/2x150m/2x100m with 8-12mins between
- [4x220m--2 mins rest--80m+20m fly] with 20mins rest between

Fri: pool runs+recovery

Sat: either competition or block start work + harness pulls

Sun: comp or gym (same as Wednesday but with SVJs after each power pull)

The training has been really hard. I've been pretty durable overall, haven't missed a session in ages now (since my calves were sore awhile ago). I still have a few nagging lower legs issues. Shin splints are still kind of 'there', not really bothering me but during the plyos they get more noticeable. The plyo load is mega intense though so not surprising. My foot is also still there, some weeks don't even notice it, but it definitely is more noticeable after bend sprinting. My feet and arches are really tight. Need to get a proper massage soon, been a long time since I've had a good one. But I'm holding up really well, all the big cylinders (hips, hams, quads, back) are more or less fine. I guess once you start adapting to the training load and do loads of rehab work at night +sleep/nutrition you can get to that nice place where you can train every day and be OK.

I missed updating the last test week. The highlights were:

- improved broad jump by ~2-3cm
- 8.40m+ in both R and L standing triples
- chopped a huge chunk of time off my flying 30m and 60m (0.13 and 0.2 respectively)
- improved my 1200m run by 11 seconds (No idea how this happened as I've barely been doing fitness work. Maybe the pool runs).

Had a few runs at comps:

100m - ran 12.12sec, not bad but was hpoing for better. Good start but faded at the 80-90m, tightened up. Need moar fitness.
200m- 24.78sec (finally into the 24s)...but again, fading dismally. See video (in the white):

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1qPHYmQGjQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1qPHYmQGjQ</a>

I was ahead at the 100m, if I could have just strided out and stayed in touch with the winner I'd be running 24.0...easier said than done of course, but it's slowly improving. Not that I'm that fussed about the 200m anyway.

Yesterday I ran a 70m handicap again. I got a little bump to 6m, had a great heat run and ended up making the final. Unfortunately they moved the final up 15mins but I missed the announcement. Had to rush there and didn't run as well, but still got 6th out of 8 and won $10!!!!! I'm rich biatch!! And can now say I'm a professional money-winning athlete  :lololol:  :derp:

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Eric's Journal
« on: November 13, 2014, 07:39:17 pm »
Supplements, Creatine, 1 table spoon for each meal and before bed and waking up. 

Isn't that a shitload of creatine? Must be like 25-30g/day.

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fwiw, with jumping practice, i've found that even just doing some drop-steps or one-step approaches (as i did last night) can be an okay substitute for real running jumps at the rim. helps to groove the pattern at least, and it's not like you're going to be able to do real max/PR-attempt jumps with all the other volume you're doing.

Yeah for sure. It has been hard to realistically fit in a ME jumps session every week. Will do it when the opportunity presents itself. But I'm happy that what I'm doing is OK, a lot of bounding, short/long sprints, squats etc.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: November 02, 2014, 09:59:57 pm »
Wow, just realised entropy hasn't updated in a month...diet/training burnout?

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Thanks LB!

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Had a 100m last Saturday (25th Oct). Overall it went well but it was a bit blustery. Not a strong headwind but certainly some cross-wind. Ended up running a 12.36sec FAT...not over the moon but not too bad. Was hoping for a bit better. But I did beat a few in the group except for one 11.5sec guy, two guys in particular who are generally equal or faster than me at training...so there's something.

Training this week:

Mon - 25m pool runs x 12 (slowly will build up these to about 20-24) and general aquacise

Tues - Blocks and re-accels

1200m warmup, dynamic

3 individual block starts without gun over 30m

4 40m block starts with gun

4 100m re-accelerations (slow down between 50-70m, pick up again til 100m)

200m sprint

Wed - plyos/gym

Active warmup

5x5 hurdle hops

4kg weight vest on:

4x7 DL bounds

2x7/leg SL bounds

4x40m LRLRLR

Squat: 1x7@125kgs, 1x5@130kgs,1x3@135kgs, 1x2@135kgs,1x3@130kgs, 1x5@125kgs

In-between: hamstring/core exercises

Bench: 1x7@92.5kgs, 1x5@100kgs, 1x3@105kgs, 1x3@105kgs,1x7@92.5kgs

In-between: back/bicep/tricep stuff

Thurs - speed endurance

1200m jog, dynamic warmup

180m followed by 80m+20m fly (2 mins between, then 20mins rest): average times were around 22.5 sec for the 180m and 9.4ish for the 80s)

Cool-down weights

Fri - 6x25m pool runs

Sat - comp

Conditions were appalling. 6-7m/s headwinds were reported. I had the 200m but it was such a waste of time. Got a bad start and then the wind was just ridiculous. Three average-to-bad runs to start the season!

Sun - first handicapped race

I entered the 70m. Because it was my first race I got a novice mark of 4m so I was basically at the back. The race felt fine, decent start but I was too far back to do any damage to the runners 2-5m ahead. As I do more of these the handicap will improve apparently, so I might have a shot later in the season. I'll do these occasionally, mostly will focus on 70m and maybe do a few 100/120m's just for fun.

Didn't get a chance to do any jumping this week due to having two comps on. But I think the plyos and increasing squats should be helping a lot. I just need to squeeze in some running jump practice each week if I can. The ideal days are on the pool recovery days, so will try and get more consistent with it. Also doing some long jump and high jump in the comps, just haven't bothered reporting them yet.

Other notes: I never really updated my creatine experiment. I stopped taking it over winter and just reloaded again over last week. This time I did the 20g over 5 days then drop to 3-4g, rather than 5g consistently. Will see if there's any noticeable change in squats or times.

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Good work on getting a video. Firstly, how have you calculated the gradient of the hill? As in, is it signposted somewhere or have you just done the patented seifuullaah complete random guess as usual? Unless there's some serious distortion going on, I can't see that being 10%. A 10% hill means it's rising in height by 10m for every 100m, and I seriously doubt anyone would put a soccer pitch on such a hill. That would mean the goals at one end are nearly 10m higher than at the other end, which is clearly not the case. The upshot of that is that your times probably aren't as impressive as you'd like.

Technique, there's no glaring errors. You might want to get your elbows driving back more powerfully rather than worrying too much about how far they come up in front. They straighten out as you swing them back rather than maintaining the correct angle. Remember that a shorter lever moves faster, and if your arms can move faster, your legs should follow suit.

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This is some ESPN-level clickbait right here scoob.

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it's the speed training phase of the workout, since the days are shorter I plan on doing 3 in the afternoon and 3 in the evening, or something split like that.

Wow, it's been a while since I checked up on what you're doing. Doing that split routine you described is really stupid. I don't see the rationale at all. All you'll do is hurt yourself (which you've already done apparently). If you do a high quality 'speed' workout, doing the exact same workout a few hours later is just...really unnecessary for so many reasons.

Second, when are you going to get to the track???? You've been doing this hill training now for nearly 6 months (!!). You've improved somewhat I guess (although with you, trying to assess any improvements is like trying to grab smoke). But hill training is really just for short-term off-season development of power and stride length that CARRIES OVER to flat track work. You can't make it the bulk of your sprinting training, unless your goal is to win the World Uphill 100m Championships. It's just really hard to understand where you're going with this atm.

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