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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 25, 2012, 05:32:37 pm »
Yes but in order to extend the knee and straighten back your leg you're going to flex the quad to do it. That's the thing.

Your body, especially in untrained people, will tend to (over)use your quads in everything it does when it comes to leg training. At least in my own experience and what I have observed in people that I have trained. The beginners will always have a bad time calling on the glutes and will always exaggerately bend at the knees when doing squats/deadlifts etc. Sure, one thing is that they have too narrow of a stance initially which is causing this but that's not the issue here.

As an example, when I deadlifted the first time ever years ago, I couldn't even understand the concept of lowering the hips back and keeping the knees stationary (not letting them go forward/down). So when I was deadlifting I was "squatting" down with my knees going forward/down and hips pretty much not doing anything. It was EXTREMELY ugly to see... it was something like a bilateral peterson step-up/sissy squat as far as movement goes.

This same thing will cause knee injuries over time if not immediately and knee "overuse" injuries. Plus the knees going forward takes away tension off the hamstrings so you're missing out on the power of the hamstrings as assistance for the glutes in the extension/hyperextension of the hips. So it does a handful of bad things for you (this quad dominance).

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 25, 2012, 05:07:26 pm »
Well yeah if you think about it you're going to have different squat styles individually, depending on structure, muscle strength (which generates the body's preference to use more or less different muscles etc) and other factors, but a high bar squat will have more potential to determine a more quad-oriented squat than a low bar squat GENERALLY (regardless of structure).

So obviously you can force a more hip oriented jump squat with a high bar position placement but you're going to have to compensate with your back angle etc so it's going to mess things up a bit.

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 25, 2012, 04:46:39 pm »
Well quad dominance is how much load an exercise TENDS to make your body use as far as the quads are concerned.

I do not understand this sentence. Can you explain this? I suppose quad dominance is not the same as potential knee flexion in an exercise?

Yeah, I think you can say that. At least in my version of the definition. So for me personally, that's pretty much the same - the potential of knee flexion and quad loading of a given exercise. Of course it's more a matter of that knee flexion/quad loading actually occuring than the potential of that since that's what we really care about.

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Yeah I know what you mean but I've always had a blonde like that next to me. :ninja:

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 25, 2012, 02:01:09 pm »
Well quad dominance is how much load an exercise TENDS to make your body use as far as the quads are concerned. A high bar squat has the potential to make you use more knee bend/knee going forward than a low bar squat has (also depending on your structure) and will make you kind of "wanting to use the quads/go with knees forward" more. That's my understanding of quad dominance.

You can also feel it in the amount of overload happening in your quads as you perform that exercise.

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 25, 2012, 01:47:44 pm »
Right^^^

I've seen increases as much as ~50 cm total in my 3 consecutive 2-leg bounds after doing heavy hang powersnatches.

Without doing the hang powersnatches I was jumping ~7.80m and after doing heavy (for me that was 45-50 kg) hang powersnatches I set a new PR with 8.40m and IT REALLY FELT different as far as movement was concerned (like I was feeling I was jumping more "correctly", with more power coming from the hips/hips moving back to initiate the jumps vs power coming from the quads/knees going forward to load the quads to initiate the movement).

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Masturbate more often, increase deadlift grip. Easy.

Not that I ever did that, I heard it from friends...

 :ninja:

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 24, 2012, 05:45:05 pm »
What about back squatting or a more posterior chain dominant exercise like low bar back squats or deadlifts?

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[beastmode]

Alot of the loggers have. PR forum.  :headbang:

Hard working forum = PR forum , its just as simple.

3x150kg(330lbs) half squat, 8x110kg(242lbs ) romanian deadlift , both@~86kg(~189lbs) BW ,  :personal-record:

[/beastmode]

 :wowthatwasnutswtf:

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 24, 2012, 06:02:15 am »
You people scare me with these %s. I can back squat low bar 150 kg and my best hang power clean is 77.5 kg (but I can't catch on the shoulders so that's a big limiting thing).

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 24, 2012, 05:55:05 am »
Damn nice :highfive: :ibsquatting: :wowthatwasnutswtf:

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 23, 2012, 05:56:52 pm »
What was the frequency in doing your power cleans?

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 23, 2012, 05:29:41 pm »
Olympic lifts are the best way to bridge the two.

By this you mean the Olympic lifts themselves or you're actually meaning any kind of strength-speed exercise? If so, then you could substitute the O-lifts with jump squats and get the same if not more.

You could bridge that gap with jump squats and depth jumps.

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 23, 2012, 05:05:28 pm »
I agree ^^^

And yeah, upper body hypertrophy? :-X

The thing is - should you struggle with hang cleans and hang snatches (if you learn them by yourself etc) or should you just go with jump squats and that's it?

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Thanks Flander, you have been doing good lately as well :highfive:

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