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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Party's Over!
« on: November 30, 2015, 05:50:24 am »
sub-optimal sleep will obviously affect you but not as much as calorie restrictions. One day of calorie restriction might not be enough to cause too much of an impact, but subsequent days can kill your will to push yourself. Simply don't have any fast burning fuel in the gas tank. For important sessions where you care about your numbers, you have to fuel up (calories + hydration) good the day before.

I have ALOT of experience with calorie depleted sessions (dunking, running, lifting, etc). The real key is to acknowledge it early and not care about the numbers. You can still work on technique and go sub-max to get some work in. But even attempting max effort can be pretty impossible & take much longer to recover from.

I used to love dunking when very hungry.. I'd go without food for 6-8 hours or so (and just drink milk+coffee 30min before) to get this hungry-light-jittery-ampd feeling. However, the day before, i'd eat ALOT. So there are some tricks you can play but legitimate calorie depletion is only going to make you much less powerful.

you probably know that, but just stating it in case. If fat loss is such a primary goal right now, expect extremely zig-zag performance.

pC mutumbo!

I can jump pretty high and run decently fast in short distances despite a full 24 hour fast the day before... i figure being 10bs less or so makes up for the lack of cals...

But i absolutely cant squat...  if i feed heavy the day before vs fast my squat can vary by easily 50lbs... other lifts suffer but not nearly like squat...  have you experienced this?  Any idea why?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Party's Over!
« on: November 30, 2015, 05:47:36 am »
90kg.  And still not THAT slow in practice... do this right and you might get the benefits of hypergravity?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Party's Over!
« on: November 30, 2015, 05:46:38 am »
man i'm slow, that's less than a second (or just over a second if you take the high end and add the 0.3 for HT) off my FAT PR.

What was your fat pr?  Your 60m was no greater than 8 when i trained w you, so im giessing no worse than 12.5 unless you had a bad race...

A second is a lot!

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Yes, agreed that NBA players are not really great athletes.  Basketball specific movement efficiency creates the illusion for a lot of them due to years and years of daily basketball playing.

Wow T0ddday, tell us more about chris paul and blake griffin lol...  what kind of training were they doing?  I mentioned in the andrew wiggins training video thread already how I despise the training of most NBA players cause they do nonsense training. 

I know skillwork is most important (obviously), but doesn't mean you can't also work on athleticism and become an even better player overall.  Doesn't always have to be 1 or the other.  Not saying anyone disagrees, just mentioning why I hate watching NBA players training videos. 

Well, first off you have to realize some things about NBA players.  In season they are exhausted.  The ones I have talked to readily admit that by about 50 games they are all physically wiped out.  So, in season it essentially is one or the other and training takes a backseat.  They have skills trainers, team strength coaches, massage therapists, and speed and agility trainers....  During the season strength coaches and speed and agility trainers take a back seat to skills trainers and massage therapists. 

Second, a lot of the already established players are very risk averse.  Some of them refuse to do almost anything that isn't dynamic for fear of injury.  They end up doing a lot of slide board stuff and a lot of hip hyper extension work which isn't the most exciting stuff in the world.  In the offseason a lot of them do hill work, sprints, speed endurance stuff, band work, unilateral work, shoulder stability, etc.   There isn't a lot of limit strength or massive squatting by the established guys, those who do squat do mostly band + weight squats but they do do a lot of core work and some impressive med ball stuff.   It's more than prehab but it's not exactly a blank slate of an athlete to develop...  Prospective football players are a lot more fun to train if you want to see big lifts. 

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Genetics are important but my point is that Lebron has better genetics than Curry!!!

I agree with you though in the fact that as long as a player has baseline athleticism & height that skills are far more important than athleticism. That's why you have 40 year old players like Jason Kidd still playing guard in the NBA. The wingspan you mentioned is interesting but taller people tend to have larger wingspans so it makes sense. As for NBA players having average standing verticals and not being great athletes (obviously there are plenty of exceptions) I'd say it's probably because once they've passed the benchmark requirements it makes a lot more sense to focus on improving their jumper than their vert. Plus with the schedule NBA players have from a recovery viewpoint it just doesn't make sense to hammer themselves in the gym when they get much better results hammering themselves on the court.

A 34 inch vertical is pretty impressive. I've dunked at 5'11 and my standing vertical was only 26 inches at the time. My running vert was around 35 inches but I've always been a lot more reactive than explosive. As you said the hand-size/arm length also makes a difference. If I wasn't able to palm the ball I wouldn't be able to dunk.

I agree that Lebron has better genetics.  Curry was born into a better environment.  Neither chose either.   I do shudder that Curry will give too many kids false hope and make the school-to-prison/sports pipeline even worse! 

While it's true that taller people have longer wingspan... Trust me that's not what's going on in the NBA.  I was training last weekend and the Toronto Raptors walked in.   At first I didn't recognize them and wasn't sure if they were college/kids/nba or what...  Then I recognized Jerry Stackhouse but was puzzled cause I thought he retired.   Obviously they are all tall.   But so is any good AAU team of kids.   But the striking most mutant like thing you notice when you look at these guys is wingspan...  It's like who are all these extremely long armed mutants?   The NBA obviously selects for height but to a greater extent is selects for arm length, it really is striking how long the arms are on these guys...  Just look at the draft numbers.  A lot of just under 6' guys have 7'6 wingspans in real life.... almost nobody in the nba that is 6' has a wingspan this short...

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: November 30, 2015, 01:41:10 am »
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Ya good point. I'm probably a 3.5 even though I did a tournament in the 4.0's. I still havn't beaten my dad and he's a solid 4.0. I've come close but he always manages to pull out the win. If I was someone who got frustrated easily, losing to my dad every time would be hell (especially because he's 68 wtf). Instead i'm always cracking up having a ton of fun, so many crazy/fun points and shots. If I had a proper first & second serve I think i'd be a legit 4.0, my ground strokes are decent. I lose so many points on having to hit a weak (incorrect) second serve. Right now i'm only serving using a second serve in the hopes of getting that super consistent.

Tennis rallies are truly fun.  It's a great sport because while athleticism plays a part in it a crafty 68 year old can really be really difficult to play with when they know how to place the ball, hit passing shots etc.  What is your second serve?  The best advice I can give you about serving is to develop a kick serve if you haven't already.  A few of the truly great players like Djokovic can hit slice serves and flat serves on second serves but it's really hard to not short arm those serves when you get nervous at big points and need to keep the ball in...   I find serves easy to practice because I can get a bucket of balls and just serve by myself for hours and really hone it in (groundstrokes are so much harder to practice because you can take the ball on the rise, late, while moving, etc and just hitting doesn't put you through all the shots sometimes). 

If you can develop a kick serve where you throw the ball behind you far enough so that you can't really over-swing you will have a second serve that you can confidently hit in but won't be absolutely eaten up by big hitters...


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definitely agree. might as well never move, and when you do decide to move, always move as ballistic as possible.. ie, brushing teeth at max effort.

LOL.  I am going to steal that one about brushing teeth with max effort... might also try it...  Hard with an electric toothbrush... lol.

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nice! ya i've always thought that they should be able to get some decent numbers on SLRVJ due to their body composition + reactivity; just need to jump somewhat frequently to really put it together. They always get measured using a standard counter movement jump in these sports science studies, i'd like to see some SLRVJ stats.

I think the lack of studies is partially due to the fact that there is a big skill component in SLRVJ.  I think the two-step SL horizontal jump would be a better measure for the studies...  The thing about the SLRVJ is you need speed and power but also hip-elasticity and a skilled penultimate to block and get your vertical...   I don't know if you have seen the russian study about Carl Lewis vs Mike Powell in the long jump from 1991 but it's really interesting the massive difference in their form.  Carl essentially sprints really fast and decelerates only on last step to block and get flight and takes off much faster and lower while Powell doesn't get up to the same speed but decelerates before his penultimate and gets far lower so he is already transitioning to vertical before his last step....  He takes off slower but with a much higher angle (well something like 23 degrees vs 26 degrees) but both styles are effective in the long jump.  In the SLRVJ however you essentially need to adopt the mike powell strategy and begin the jump much earlier to get that transition... 

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Thanks for that advice. Yup I am definitely starting to aim in that direction. I'm starting to figure out what running is all about. I never did track in h.s. and growing up I always ran in basketball shoes (or thick heeled running shoes for a few years). So i'm starting to finally realize what being a speed runner is all about. I'm going to try harder than I ever have, to get this midfoot style down. I need to be careful about it but, it's the only way i'm going to enter speed-runner territory. I feel so much better when I run in that style though, it's just the "after effects" that I need to adapt to. I run better mid/forefoot than I do heel->toe.. so time to get rid of this weak heel->toe style once and for all.

Yeah I never did heel-toe but then again I was always told if I learned it I could run more than a mile without my calves and low-back tightening and hurting...  As you transition more to becoming a runner you will swear off hoop shoes...  I used to play basketball with them when I was young but now they just feel so strange so I actually prefer to play ball in my trainers or puma biowebs (recommend strongly).

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I imagine you could find a way to work 400m training into your routine safely, 800m sounds a bit more demanding given your short sprint focus.

Any idea how you will mix it in?

Good point.  I probably won't do a lot of 800's in training but I would like to work to the point where I could just up one for a test in an all-comers meet and see if I can go around 2:05.   My PR from practice years ago is a pathetic 2:10.   I will start slowiy doing more and more 150's and finally 200's and when I'm strong enough I'll end sessions with a 400m.  I'll start around 72 seconds and lower it to about 54 just by finishing practice with one...

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On a side note, I find myself keep wanting to lift, but, then when i'm done running I also find myself not wanting to lift (currently) just so I don't tap into my recovery. I think I have so much more progress I need to make with running dominating most of my training that my desire to squat (high rep and/or heavy) is just counter productive at this moment. I'm still going to perform bodyweight exercises though.

I see your msg below about how you want to reintegrate squats.  I think you have the right idea with singles... Once my ankle heels I am deemphasizing weights and putting my squat on pause.   My advice would be to keep volume real low and do something like this:

1) Before  hard endurance running day:  3,2,1,1,1 squats with progressive weight.  10 Med ball tosses.   1x5 barbell abs.
2) After tempo endurance day (running faster than your 5k pace but for much shorter intervals):  3,2,1,1,1 squats.  2x10 timed band squats.  5x5 barbell abs,
3) After speed work days:  3,2,1,1,1 squats where you raise weight. 20 medball tosses.   2x20 barbell timed band* squats. 

I love barbell band squats for runners.  Especially if you have issues with feet/calves.  Doing a set of 20 squats with 185+100lb bands in about 35 seconds will make you feel like you just ran a 49 second 400 with the squat.  I have a video of myself doing them on my recent youtube.   Excellent for speed endurance and strength.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCVDgqcKfoc



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If being 6’8 with the speed, hops, and athleticism of an elite NBA point guard isn’t god given talent than I don’t know what is! Who their parents are is irrelevant- look at Michael Jordan’s sons. Shooting is a talent, but it is a skill, which can be honed and improved far more than athleticism can.

In a hypothetical scenario what would you think would be an easier task if you had 1 year to train 100 people aged between 18-30. Taking 100 guys who are all 5’8-5’11 and getting as many of them to dunk within that time frame, or taking those same 100 guys and getting as many of them to have 80% free throws efficiency?

Lol.  Who your parents are is far from irrelevant!  Genetics and environment are both very important and we choose neither, so it's important to be fair if we are going to make the claim that Lebron is just lucky...   Good point about Michael Jordan but that might be more of an indictment against Michael Jordan as a father than proof that parents don't matter!

I'll bite on your hypothetical scenario.   To be honest I would have to go for the free throws...  But only because free throws are a very simple movement and can be semi-mastered by almost everyone.   Also, because 5'8-5'11 leaves a lot of information out (hand size, arm-length, etc).   I will do one of my favorite things and answer my own question...  If you give me 100 kids with between and ask me to get all of their standing vertical to 34'' (far above NBA average) or get them to shoot catch and shoot or off the dribble threes like an average NBA shooter I would take the vertical jump challenge EVERY time.

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lol.. I would argue being born with Lebron's genetics is more "Luck" than being born into an NBA family. 


Well, I would argue that there are more people in the world with the size and strength of Lebron than born into an NBA family... But it's not really worth arguing about how much something is "luck".   I mean I don't even know how to define luck when I think about it...

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Regardless, the impact Curry is having on kids is WAY MORE POSITIVE than lebron cmon man...

With Lebron, kids automatically think, "man you gotta be born with that kind of size and athleticism", he's a freak of nature."  You don't see ANY kids thinking "I can be like Lebron"... They just think he's some kind of god

With Curry, kids can relate as he's a normal person's size and unathletic (COMPARED TO HIS NBA COUNTERPARTS) who worked on his skills like crazy.  I guess you don't realize how much work he puts into his skillset.  Sure he was always able to shoot but he didn't have nearly the passing ability or the handles in college.  He worked on it to become one of the best passers in the game and one the best ball handlers OF ALL TIME.  He also changed his jumpshot after his sophomore year in college.

Also, I must be reading the 'slow release jumper' part wrong.  You're not indiciating curry has a slow release right? lol i have to be misunderstanding this part

I think you are all missing the point.  You think kids looking at Curry and thinking "I can be like that" is a positive thing.  I agree that his skillset is way more relateable to kids.   It's just that I think that that's a negative thing!  I've worked with a lot of kids in the inner-city and I think that if a kid sees lebron and thinks "Wow he is a good teammate and nice guy but a physical god and I could never be like that so I should take inspiration from his leadership BUT not mortgage my future on hoop dreams and instead focus on going to college and taking academics seriously is a GOOD thing."   I don't think we need to inspire any more kids to try to make a future in professional sports!   

Of course I don't think Curry has a slow release.  But my point is that it's not that easy to tell to someone who doesn't know basketball.  A short, not super athletic 13 year old kid who DOES have a slow-release but is a very accurate shooter may see Curry and think "Hey Im like him and I can be just like that".  Then he might go practice more shooting with his slow-release that will never translate at a higher level instead of doing his homework...  I think this is a bad thing.   However, if a 13 year old kid is 6'7 250 and an absolute freak and starts to prioritize professional sports as a future...  I do not think this is as bad... 


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You may be able to turn a few people into Lebron's athletic ability from a RAW perspective, but you don't seem to be able to see Lebron's god given natural basketball abilities.  Lots of NFL and T&F athletes are as athletic as Lebron, but I guarantee you even if they put in the work for basketball, they wouldn't be showing that athelticism on the court the way that Lebron does.  It's not just pure strength and speed in there, basketball is a lot more than that when it comes to athleticism.

I AGREE 100%.   In the last year I have gotten the chance to train and observe training of a number NBA athletes.  I won't name them specifically but I will say they are all-stars who live in LA and don't play for the Lakers.   The biggest surprise to me and my other T&F background trainers is just how poor athletes some of the NBA guys are...  I promise most of these guys would have trouble breaking 12 seconds in the 100m.  The are decent reactive jumpers but have surprisingly bad verticals and are not very strong...   However, they are absolutely basketball geniuses... I am they are just amazingly good at their craft.  Also, most of them are tall and have weirdly long arms.

The level of skill actually predominates in pretty much all team sports.  Even football.  Football players are on average better athletes than basketball players but athleticism is not what separates them.  I had a teammate play for the Ravens a few years back and he marveled at Ray Lewis and Ed Reid.  He said they were just absolutely amazing when it came to ball skills, jumping routes, awareness, vision, practically everything but athleticism.  The basic take away message was that great athletes were a dime a dozen on defense in NFL, I remember when he called me and said "Man, everyone out here fast.  Everyone out here strong.  But nobody makes the roster cause they are fast."  What separates you from 1st on the depth chart and practice squad is far less athleticism and far more skill.   In fact if anything the practice squad players are better athletes than the NFL starters (because the practice squad guys are kept because of potential that they could develop into great players while the established players care little about the 40 times anymore).


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AND, being born into an NBA father doesn't always mean a good thing.  Some of the best athletes are the worst coaches.  I would say that Dell Curry was a good teacher, but the superstars (more creative) are usually horrible at teaching while the role players (more analytic) are better coaches.  An example would be the plethora of NBA coaches who were average at best role players back in their days.  So simply assuming having an NBA dad is a gigantic advantage isn't correct.  Sometimes your average HS coach can teach better than an NBA player.  It's similar to being taught how to jump high by someone from TFB or Air Up There or Kadour Ziani.  They'll tell you some dumb shit.  But yeah, Dell Curry isn't like that, but you can't generalize that.

I'm not necessarily arguing the Steph benefited from the coaching his dad gave him as much as I am by the environment of being around the NBA was extremely helpful.   There's a lot of video out there that shows a childhood steph curry immersed with NBA players.  Rather than being a 5'7 13 year old shooting over 5'4 13 year olds he was literally going one-on-one and jumping in scrimmages with NBA guys and practicing NBA moves...  That's quite an advantage.   

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T0ddday, did you ever play basketball at an organized level?  High Schoool?  I'm genuinely just asking, not trying to be a smartass.  I know you have a T&F background, but any bball?  I get interested in perspectives and mindsets on things from different types of people like a trainers perspective (you) vs an athletes perspective.  I know you're an athlete too, but being a trainer as well still does play a part in how you view things in my opinion

Actually, I am currently playing on a recreational mens league team.  We got our first win today...  Was 3/5 from the field (mostly layups), 1/5 from three, and 4/9 from the line for 13 pts which is a typical line for me...   Basketball was my first love actually.   I played in the AAU circuit as a kid from age 11-14 and was actually a lanky, weak, pretty ground-bound kid who was an excellent shooter and excellent shooter with a quick release.   I was that kid in games who when the ball was swung to him the coaches screamed "SHOOOTER".   My freshman year I scored 40 points in a JV summer league game mostly from 3's which was unfortunately my best accomplishment in high school basketball..    I didn't develop physically until my junior but when I did I ended up a semi-muscular 180lb kid who could suddenly jump and run.  This was great on the football field but for some reason my game changed so much in basketball that I could no longer shoot and even my handles suffered as everything suddenly seemed to move faster.  I honestly believe that becoming explosive can be a deterrent in basketball... no evidence to back this up but I swear things moved so much smoother before I became an athlete.   Sure some of the lack of shooting could be from the fact that I spend a bit too much time practicing dunks instead of shots... but that can't be it...  Personal problems resulted in a lot of us being kicked off the team and I focused on football and then track and field and didn't really start playing basketball until the track guys got into pickup in college...  Still love the game, but hate the fact that shooting is such a prerequisite to being even decent... 

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What is athleticism?  W the exception of his height lebrons soeed and strength are far more trainable qualities than curries shooting...  if you give me 100 athletes I can train a few of them to have the speed/strength of lebron but I bet none will have the god giving shooting talent that curry does...   I love watching curry but I hope he doesnt inspire an even larger amount of kids to forsake their future because they think they can make it by practicing their slick dribbles and slow release jumpers...

Curry grew up w an nba father lest we forget... he was born in to far more basketball luck than lebron...

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It sounds impossible to go undefeated in the regular season but i'm just watching them destroy everyone. They are too dominant. I'm watching them play Phoenix right now. It's just a slaughter. GSW has "god mode" cheat code enabled.

CURRY.

LOL.  I'm betting on the field for the next 50 something games.   BUT... I'm with you...  This is ridiculous.  I wouldn't bet on the field for any single game or even any pair of games!   Right now when you watch them their losing seems as much as a puzzling topic as the topic of intelligent life in the universe...  Essentially:

1) There are two possibilities.  We humans are the only intelligent life in this vast and possibly infinite universe!  Totally nuts.  Somewhere else in the universe there exists intelligent life thinking the same thing!  Also totally crazy!   But one of these crazy ideas must be true!

2) The golden state warriors will go undefeated.  Totally nuts.  They will lose!  Hard to imagine!   But one must be true! 


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I may have serious objections in a few things there ( much fewer than i would expect though ) , but i can do nothing but applaud the 'truthiness' of this spot.
Real talk, all out confession, takes some guts to do that, bravo!
Now we should return this journal to its owner.  :P

Agreed we should stop the hijack... If Raptor or anyone wants to expand or ask questions regarding our discussion they can PM me...  Just wanted to put out two last points that we might be helpful to the forum readers...

1) Raptor is pointing out what is a well studied topic - the fundamental attribution error.  It's something we all do and reinforce through confirmation bias over and over...  In the worst case we emphasis internal flaws for others failures and external luckiness for their success while explaining our failures with external problems and giving ourselves and ourselves alone the credit for our success...  As Raptor points out - this is annoying.   My point is not to suggest that this doesn't exist - but that making this mistake will lead to less success in every element of life!   We never know for sure the factors in ones success or failure but if we can err on the side of believing we can succeed as others have done we will find motivation rather than discouragement in others successes - in fact if we want to make it we MUST do this.   

2) Second an apology to Raptor and anyone else who comes from somewhere vastly different the LA.  I train a few athletes in Los Angeles (one of the most expensive cities in the richest country) and one refrain I constantly remind athletes and layman is essentially "You live in America, you cannot claim that you don't have the time or money to eat right or train, you can work hard in this country and make money and have time to train - it's a choice that you make!".   That said...  My dad is from the 3rd world.  I've visited family in Africa and the depressing reality that is post-colonial corruption riddled life in these economies is something that would extinguish the fire from some of even the most motivated people I know.    When there are literally no jobs, little food, and no way out I can't blame people for saying "fuck it, I'm gonna just spend my 3 dollars a day on some cigarettes and chill by the river..."    I get it and know how lucky I am.   However, sometimes on the Internet we forget that the whole world is watching.  Raptor writes so clearly in english it's hard to remember he's not living down the street!  I don't know much about second-world eastern europe (I have only been as far as Bulgaria) but I respect that it might be worlds apart from mine...  I lot of my advice and motivation and expectations implicitly assume the person I am talking to also lives in the US (or western world) and has some level of access to what I have...  I realize this isn't always the case and so I apologize to any non-western readers who have it hard - I realize some places on this globe are incredibly hard to live - it's not that I'm not conscious and respectful of the struggle - it's just when everyone writes perfect english I sometimes forget where they come from!     

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: November 28, 2015, 10:27:42 am »
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Thanks alot! It was more fun than I thought it would be. Slight correction though, here's my zig-zag transition:
basketball -> boxing + running -> dunking -> sedentary computer nerd -> running + tennis (current).

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I love tennis, it's REALLY fun. It's a game after all. But I love running even more, not so much for the fun (it is fun), but the self-competition, the torture, and how I feel afterwards.. So i'll probably continue dedicating most of my effort on improving these running stats.

I also love tennis... But the problem with the game is the learning curve is so steep you have to play with partners at your skill level...  I am a decent player (3.5-4.0 ustf) and I can serve and volley but every 4th big forehand I hit sails waaaay long...  I've tried playing with friends who hardly play and it's just not fun at all because we can't rally, and when I play with really good players I feel bad that I am such a liability with my forehand...   It's not like pickup basketball where you can go to a gym and get a good run in whether your the best player on the court or one of the worst...  Still, such a fun game.


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I may do some 10k/half marathons/marathons eventually but "just to do them". My goal so far is definitely 5k's (and maybe even shorter) because of the speed component. I want to be able to run as fast as physiologically possible (for me) in these 5k runs. So really being able to hold 12+ mph (~15min 5k) would make me content (as a second milestone). First milestone is probably being able to hold 10.x mph for the entire 3.1 (~17min 5k).

I still plan on getting back into jumping (SLRVJ), but with less emphasis. I can intersect my training for 5k's with jumping much easier than trying to intersect marathon training with jumping. So that's definitely a big plus. I miss getting vertical. 5k (or less) + running VJ/dunking sounds like a great combo for me.

Yeah...  Honestly...  marathon training intersects with marathon training and that is it!  I would leave them alone because the cost to the body and your reactive capability is just too great... That said I strongly disagree with coaches who caution there power and speed athletes from going on a weekend hike because of "dangerous conversion to slow twitch".   The body is just not that specific... if it was VJ training would add feet to our jumps rather than inches...  I see no reason why you can't combine 5k training with vertical jumping - especially running single leg vertical jumping.  I have known  a lot of milers that can really get up off one leg...   But your def on the right track thinking 5k (or less)...   The trick for you is to be a 5k "speed runner".  Don't get good at the 5k by doing overdistance - get good at it by being faster than everyone else and semi-strong (endurance wise).  Good running coaches will coach you to emphasize your strength (reactive speed in your case) and just spend a little time on your weaknesses (long distance endurance).   I can see you running the 5k with your three miles looking like ~4:40, ~6, 5:40 for a sub 17 5k.   This is an interesting endeavor your doing and I'm excited to see the results as far as your endurance and single leg jumps.  Currently I am terrible at both but would like to do minor endurance at least once again...  It really does feel better than anything else... Personally, I don't need 5ks but repeated 400's and races of 400m and 800m are just torture in the best way...  Would like to not be terrible at it but it will take a lot of work for me... 


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I was starting to incorporate speed work via Fartlek runs. I had lots of sessions labeled "jog and sprint". But I havn't done them since I wrecked my calves going entirely forefoot for ~4 mi, which was over 2 weeks ago. That's something I need to slowly adapt to. I need to be able to hold a more bouncy/powerful form without my calves dying for weeks.

I want to do more structured speed work like you mentioned below, such as the 4x400 with X minute jog rest etc. I may be a bit more liberal with the distances for now, since i'm using the streets, but regardless I need to get in some more structured speed sessions. This should also help my calves adapt. I've tested it out: if I run 400's midfoot/forefoot, i'm fine. If I run a few miles midfoot/forefoot, I can get severe calf soreness.

It's something I need to figure out because I think my strength in running will be my reactive abilities.. another plus will be my lactic acid toleration once I get that back up to par: high rep squatting, 400's etc.. will be fun.

Interesting about the running form...  Probably best to leave heel toe in the past and get really really good at midfoot...  Maybe get some sessions on soft surfaces or get some shoes where you run slow but protect the feet...   Lactic acid tolerance is really tough...  Nobody really has it...  The trick is actually not to make lactic acid hardly at all...   Remember you can make lactate and have lactate tolerance OR you can make acid (well H+ ion) and tolerate this as well...  but the intersection between the two (lactate + H+ = lactic acid) will flood your body and you won't be able to walk...  You might be able to tolerate this for 10 more seconds than the next guy but once it builds up we are all done!   Bottom line is producing large amounts of H+ while lactate is high is something we have to just avoid - in training AND in races (unless it's the last 10 seconds of a race).   


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: November 26, 2015, 12:55:08 pm »
11/26/2015

Tamarac Turkey Trot 5k

My goal was sub-20. I got 20:06. I laughed when I saw it, but I deserve it; I should have at least sprint to the finish like I normally do. So i'm happy with it. So in basketball terms, I still can't knick the rim in competition.

The good news is I won my age group (30-34). I got a gift basketball full of food and a trophy.

Legs felt amazing. Felt strong and bouncy. Lungs were hurting. More acidic than normal.

Warmed up really good. Started at the front. Kept pace with some fast runners for a while. I should have tried harder to keep up with them. I'd like to see if I can find my split times for the run, because I imagine the first mile was good.

Overall time: 20:06
Pace: 6:29

I can't explain why I didn't sprint to the finish. It's that "quitter in me" which seems to manifest more when it matters. It's okay though, i'm slowly killing that.

I don't know if it was the wind or what, but no one cracked 16. One guy got 16:00. Normally this race has people in the 15's. The wind was definitely very strong on the first half up, but at your back on the second half. I didn't even notice it when I was actually running though. I didn't notice much of anything though other than keeping up with a few people, I just zoned out.

Running events are nice.. everyone seems so happy/upbeat.

Finally, so many fine chix it was ridiculous. Makes me look forward to 5k races even more. There was 2k+ people at this event.



December focus:
- weight loss: ~155 lb. (-~10 lb)
- lifting: 20+ rep squats, light
- more volume running
- more interval sprinting (with jog/run recovery) AND longer intervals
- still running morning and night
- keep waking up at 6, or even earlier, i like it.

When i'm hitting some good numbers in competition (official races) several months from now, i'll look back at my log and smile. I'll also be like ~150 lb rippt & squatting, with a much stronger mind. It'll come together. Need to bleed alot more though..

word!

Wow.  Congrats on the turkey trot.  Transitioning from dunking to 5ks...  amazing to have talent across such a wide range.   I have a lot of respect for people who can do this even though they dont get a lot of accolades, but the Matt Sherers of the world are amazing to me, because I cant even break 15 minutes for a two mile... 

Is your goal 5ks or are you going to go up to halfs or marathons?  I checked out your log and it seems mostly to be made up of 4 mi runs...  do you do any "speed" work?   The best distance guys I know did crazy "speed" work and would use it as a way to stay honest...  the craziest workout was rested miles... 4x400m with a rest between each one of 1-3 minutes...  when your time goes up on the first one you know your getting too slow... when it goes up for the last you need more volume... kinda a cool test. 

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: November 26, 2015, 12:46:44 pm »
Hey Andrew,

I have a question if you don't mind  ;D

How would you go about fixing bad dorsi -> plantar flexion in single leg bounding? 

Basically, I tend to just land on my forefoot/toes instead of keeping dorsi flexion mid air as I cycle the leg and doing a proper heel to toe roll.

Is it just a matter of practicing it + dorsi flexion strengthening exercises?

not andrew, and not an expert, but my n=1 is that the way to fix the footstrike in SL bounding is just to reach farther in front. if your lead foot is far enough ahead, you have to land on your heel. that plus building up intensity over time.

Ehhh.... your really really really dont want to reach farther out. . If dorsiflexion hasnt started by the time your foot reaches your butt your timing is already shot!

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Or you could be genetically gifted, come in and "make fun" of people who actually train and you train just as hard or even less (or not at all) - and just because it works for you as a genetically gifted individual, you think (genetically gifted people don't usually think,  but let's have a positive approach here) that everybody must mess around when you are "training so hard" since they don't make progress and you do.

Well no shit Sherlock, you just got lucky by having the genetics that respond to more stress and also allow you a faster recovery. In fact, for hardgainers, LESS training should be the norm since their (our) recovery sucks to begin with. Train more and you'll run yourself into the ground and complain about not making any progress. If training more was all that was needed, we could all just train 10 hours per day and be the best in the world.

So genetically gifted people should just shut up about not training "hard enough" - they haven't been in a hardgainer's body, not to mention all the other parameters at work. What should be analysed is if the guy is giving his best shot, with the body/genetics that he's been dealt with, and if not, trying to find ways to improve on that (sometimes these ways are to train LESS hard, by the way).

Wow, I could write a book on this post...  I love it because I hate it!   I think there are a few points here that are useful but the rest is basically the heart at what is holding back the progress of many members of the board (Raptor included but all of us to an extent).

First what I agree with.  Nobody should make fun of anyone else.  I'm no advocate of fat-shaming, slut-shaming, smoking-shaming, or any other type of behavior that's intent is to hurt someone else.  It's mean and it's counterproductive to actually helping people.  Doesn't mean we can't engage in good natured teasing; people are different and might be positively motivated by this - but if the intent is to make fun of someone at their expense and hurt them we shouldn't engage in it no matter what.   It's just as bad as what your doing when you suggest genetically gifted people don't usually think - how does lobbing passive aggressive insults at one part of the population help?

Now what I don't agree with.

1) Who appointed you the arbitrator of who is a hardgainer and who isn't?    And in your fantasy world are their only two types of people?  The reviled genetically gifted and the poor hardgainers?  Do you know what everyone on the board is?   It sounds like you conveniently draw the line of genetically gifted vs hardgainer as anyone who outperforms you is genetically gifted and therefore didn't work as hard (or as you suggest - maybe didn't work at all!).  You sound like one of my old coaches who used to jokingly say that the fastest humans can run without steroids is 19.89 over 200m (which just happened to be his PR).   Only you are not joking.   The question I have for you is how confident are you that you are really doing everything perfect?  It's hard for me to be overly critical of people's training over the internet - like you said I don't know your injury history, how recovered you were, etc.  However, some things (diet) are easy.  So when Mutumbo gets dejected about not making gains but also mentions throwing down 10 beers on Friday it's pretty clear his only obstacle isn't being a hardgainer.  When you try and lean out but insist on eating chocolates daily it's pretty clear that you are not taking our diet as seriously as you should be.   Given that most of us don't diet perfectly, what's the chance your actually training perfectly?   I actually agree with out that the variation of gaining muscle and gaining inches on our vert is pretty large - there may be people who can train as hard as they can and can't jump over 30 inches.   But that same variation doesn't exist for body composition...  So if you are trying to maximize your jump but getting lean (single digit BF) and just can't seem to do it...  then seriously just stop whining about being a hardgainer.  You have a clearly attainable goal that you can't accomplish because of a lack of discipline and effort.   Focus on that rather than making excuses. 

2) Where do you get this idea that hardgainers must train less?   You realize that recovery is an adaptable trait as well right?   There really isn't convincing evidence that hardgainers won't adapt to stress and thus need to provide less stress to make more gains.   What this sounds like is really convenient broscience made up by the lazy.   I imagine a conversation with a self diagnosed hardgainer going something like this:

Person:         Hey, man haven't seen you for awhile you still working on bench?
Hardgainer: Yeah man you know it, I've raised my bench press from 135 to 155 in just a little less than two years!
Person:         Oh yeah, that's cool I have raised mine from 185 to 315 in two years using this routine where I do a lot of volume mixed in with heavy triples... you should give it a shot!
Hardgainer:  No, man I can't.   See I am a hardgainer and a routine like that would actually cause my bench to go down.   Instead I just bench every two weeks and only 8 reps at 60% of my max.  For me less is more and this routine allowed me to make the massive gains i did.
Person:        Oh yeah, that's cool.  (In his head - seems like an excuse not to work very hard).

You know what else this sounds like?  Every obese person that believes things like "not eating actually makes you fatter" or I actually eat less than all the skinny people who just have fast metabolisms...  Then we get those people in a clinical setting on a calorie deficit and they lose weight...   There is no clinical setting for hardgainers who don't train hard but we do have training camp for sports and if you saw the body-composition changes you see after just a 2-3 training camp for all the athletes involved (including "hardgainers") you would be shocked...

3)  Seriously, this is the only point that matters.  You are not a hardgainer.  Seriously.  Stop saying it and more important... stop thinking it.  If you or Luke told me you were going to quit your day job and challenge Bolt next year in the Olympics I would advise you not to.  But that's it.  I'm not going to say your never gonna run under 12 seconds or 11 seconds or set any barriers to you.   Humans are amazing and the brain is amazing.  That you think your a hardgainer is probably the worst thing you can do.  You have set up a dichotomy in your head where you are on the hardgainer side....  Now you can't even draw motivation from an amazing performance because when you see that you don't think "wow, that inspires me to do more" you think "stupid genetically gifted person, god genetics are soooooo UNFAIR".    Stop now.    There is data that shows that mice perform better on tests if researchers are simply told that some mice are smart and some are dumb - just the way they handle the mice influences performance!    Seriously.  Listen to this:  http://www.npr.org/programs/invisibilia/378577902/how-to-become-batman

The worst thing you can do for your progress is believe that you are somehow at a disadvantage.   We can balance realism with hope, we don't have to be delusional.  You probably won't ever be the worlds fastest man.... But I don't know that you can't be damn fast and I hope you start getting motivated so we can see just how fast you can be.   This type of defeatist attitude would never get us to the moon and won't get you the results you want.    It's going to be hard but you are going to have to start looking at what you are doing wrong, how you can do more, and how you can work harder and get more gains now... 

I'll just close with a reminder how rare you are.  If I recall you are about 6' and you can dunk a basketball and do so in games.  I train a lot of athletes who dream of doing exactly what you are doing...  Very few 6' guys actually throw down dunks in games.   How would you like to know that all these people see you and think "lucky genetic freak" rather than attribute what you have done to hard work...   You are already in the top couple percent just by dunking at your height.  Appreciate it, reach for the stars and start getting more. 

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