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Quote from: Avishek on July 10, 2011, 11:22:22 pm

Lastly, on sugar and fat, it may not make you WEIGH more than an equivalent amount of protein in calories, but we're talking about fat distribution, a far more relevant measure. Americans aren't fat because they eat till satisfaction, rather it's the sugar + PUFAs in all processed foods, + follwing your instincts. People lose weight from eating clean and not exercising and eating to satisfaction all the fucking time.

 Low fat diets have helped reverse diabetes, and so have low carb. Both prevent sugar from being in the bloodstream for too long. The sugar releases insulin, insulin can store the fat as fat, as well as the excess sugar. That's pretty simple actually so I have no idea how you thought I was retarded for saying that. Oh yes I do, because you're an emotional little pussy who'd get knocked in a real fight because he's too caught up in his emoticons. Peace!

I said I wouldn't respond but I have to. Post a picture of yourself Mr. 9% bodyfat.

Americans WEIGH more than people from other countries. Since you agreed that fat and sugar doesn't make you weigh more, you cannot say Americans WEIGH more because they eat fat/sugar/processed food. Americans WEIGH more because they eat too much.

How do low fat diets prevent sugar from being in the bloodstream? Fat is the one macro that doesn't convert to glucose (for the most part), unlike protein and carbs.

The "bro science" here is that you think processed food makes you fat, which has been proven false over and over again.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

Explain that one faggot. And I'm not sure  where this real fight stuff is coming from. Calm down faggot. You're the one who won't post a picture of yourself on here.

Since it almost seems like you would like to learn, I'll try to post real facts here. Now about a picture of my abs, I certainly have decent abs, but I'm more interested in educating and promoting my ideas, than I am in being right. So even if I had 6%bf, which I've tried to achieve for a while but then stopped, I don't think I'd do it, because the point is that my bodyfat doesn't reflect what works for the general population. A scientific study involving many participants is more likely to. I could post a picture for kicks but it's not that useful.

I take back what I said about weight and am arguing that Americans weigh more mostly because of stress, which is the real cause of eating more calories, especially t[http://www.foodaddictionsummit.org/documents/StressEatingandtheRewardSystem.pdf]hose of sugar and food with higher reward.[/http://www.foodaddictionsummit.org/documents/StressEatingandtheRewardSystem.pdf].

Restricting calories but not restricting stress will only temporarily fix the problem. One level above the surface, I could argue it's just excess fat and sugar, or insulin as Taubes says. The insulin theory is definitely a good one, that chronically high blood sugar is what causes metabolic syndrome. Stress, high fat diets, and high sugar diets all cause high blood sugar. Recent studies have shown that meditation and deep breathing reduce blood sugar [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18386551]here[/http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18386551] and [http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/full/10.1089/acm.2010.0666]here[/http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/full/10.1089/acm.2010.0666]


Stephan Guyenet of wholehealthsource.blogspot.com has been intrigued recently by the food reward hypothesis of obesity. In this post he shows how diets with less reward can promote weight loss. The first one incldes a reference to a study on a l[http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/05/food-reward-dominant-factor-in-obesity_18.html]ow fat diet not restricted in calories leading to weight loss.[/http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/05/food-reward-dominant-factor-in-obesity_18.html]

The twinkie diet may not be broscience, but it's another type, stupid science. Unintelligent science tends to study one variable, and look at things as a duality; either you lose weight or you don't, therefore you succeed and you're right, or you fail and you're wrong. Let me break down my thinking on the twinkie diet:

1. The researcher was interested in proving that calories are the only thing that mattered for weight loss, so he restricted his calories and lost weight.
2. So what the fucking shit is weight loss? Fat, muscle, parasites, bacteria, toxins, water, glycogen, snot? It's more than just fat and muscle.
3. Why didn't he study the effect of a high calorie diet on weight gain, the contrary? maybe he should have binged on twinkies to prove that excess calories = weight gain. Oh but wait, there does seem to be a way to eat excess calories and not get fat... I mean the japanese eat more than we do, ad are slimmer, and I will describe research below that will prove this and I just mentioned the low fat diet above.
4. Forget "weight loss." How about fat loss? No fuck that, how about your overall health? What were his testosterone levels/libido like? How was his mental acuity? How was his digestion? Is this something that could be continued in the long term?
5. Did he look good after he finished the diet? NO NOT REALLY SO IT FAILED.
End of discussion on my part. THe twinkie diet appeals to simple minds who view things in a duality, weight loss, or not weight loss. THere's much more important things in the body than simply weight lost on a scale.

 A diet consisting of grass-fed beef, lamb, or other red meat, fruits and vegetables, dark leafy greens, seaweeds, sprouts, and other healthy foods you can think of, increase your metabolism more than a diet consisting of oreos, twinkies, donuts, english  muffins, white bread, sugar, and muffins, and take out chinese. So what matters is not just calories, but the post-digestion effect here, thermic effects of not just digestion, but thermic effects of constituents in food, and how those constituents activate proteins and enzymes that burn fat or increase metabolism. I'll start slow with the research since i'm doing a bunch of other research right now, but here is a well studied way to lose weight while eating a ton of calories.

Again [http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2011/06/fat-balance-versus-energy-balance.html]here[/http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2011/06/fat-balance-versus-energy-balance.html] we see a few examples where it is possible to eat a lot and lose weight. The easiest way is a high carb low fat low protein diet. Low protein activates AMPk, which burns fat. Since you all like Lyle McDonald, her[http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/ampk-master-metabolic-regulator.html]e is his article on that. [/http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/ampk-master-metabolic-regulator.html]


Few quotes from thefirst link in above paragraph. "Subjects overfed a low-protein, high-carbohydrate diet consistently gained less weight than predicted by the increased kcaloric intake; in fact, some subjects on low protein diets lost weight despite consuming an excess of 8-10,000 kcal in a week. "

So what this proves is that it's not calories in minus calories out. The hypothesis is that macronutrient balance is regulated in the body, not just overall energy balance. The raw food diet is another great example; many have lost upwards of 100 lbs from jus eating fruit vegetables, and a small amount of nuts/seeds. It's a low protein high carb diet, but can be high in calories too. Not good for gaining muscle, possible to gain strength from stronger collagen links in joints/tendons. But bone mass will be lost most probs.

So back to Americans. Most americans aren't on the high carb low protein diet I described, but you can't argue anymore it's excess calories, because then in any situation where there is excess calories, one would gain weight. False. I think we actually need to define excess calories in terms of metabolic regulators in the body such as mTOR and AMPk. If you activate AMPk from a low carb diet or a ketogenic or low protein diet, it could be possible to lose weight while eating a lot of calories, since those calories aren't telling the body, oh shit this is a lot of calories. When you eat meat, branched chain amino acids, and a lot of acrbs and fat, your body does sense higher calories.

So two things to end this post.
1. The body is not just detecting calories. It's detecting the type of calories, and this is evidenced by activation of AMPk or mTOR, and then leptin.

2. Stress is probably the root cause of everything everyone in the fitness/nutrition industry thinks causes weight gain.


Edit: messed up links.. not fixing them

Haha. I won't respond either after this, even tho eating till satisfaction has gotten me to look the best I ever have, I'm at a healthy 9% bf I'd say, cutting never worked for my chubby indian self back in the day. Bulking and cutting is a retarded concept of broscience. I build strength and muscle while shredding fat like people who have never read a book on fitness and just follow instincts.

Pretty much every poster here is what I call an "emotional thinker." Emotional thinkers don't think actually, so it's a paradox, they react, and need to use stupid youtube videos, pictures, and gay emoticons to show their homosexual feelings, in preference to well formulated prose. Their responses usually use words like "retarded" or other degrading things because they aren't' intelligent enough to reply with a strategic response.

 The rational thinker, asks WHY, and separates his emotions from his views, and most importantly, is not attached to his views. All of you are attached to your beliefs in life. If I were to insult them, you would be offended like a faggot. In fact, a great test of what type of thinker you are is happening right now. If you are offended by my words, you're an emotional bitch and failed the test. In science, this attachment to ideas and your own research hinders progress by precluding the asking of WHY. Your own experience is good JC, but it's not a thorough examination of what works, so it's fucking useless information.

I also don't care how anybody looks, internal health is far more important, information on that is not as highly sought obviously since this culture is so hedonistic and looks for short term fixes. Plenty of people "look good" but are in shitty health, like most skinny bitches on ellipticals. Higher fat mass is linked to better mortality (there is always a U curve). A real test of health by the way, would be a stress tolerance test. The more stress tolerant you are, the better your antioxidant capacity, and the greater your longevity. There are probably other things, but that's the best I can think of right now. And most of you have a low tolerance since you are emotional thinkers. If I have more stress tolerance than you, my body will dominate yours period.

Lastly, on sugar and fat, it may not make you WEIGH more than an equivalent amount of protein in calories, but we're talking about fat distribution, a far more relevant measure. Americans aren't fat because they eat till satisfaction, rather it's the sugar + PUFAs in all processed foods, + follwing your instincts. People lose weight from eating clean and not exercising and eating to satisfaction all the fucking time.

 Low fat diets have helped reverse diabetes, and so have low carb. Both prevent sugar from being in the bloodstream for too long. The sugar releases insulin, insulin can store the fat as fat, as well as the excess sugar. That's pretty simple actually so I have no idea how you thought I was retarded for saying that. Oh yes I do, because you're an emotional little pussy who'd get knocked in a real fight because he's too caught up in his emoticons. Peace!

Did that one dude just say you get fat from not eating? How does your body make the fat?

Your metabolism slowing down is the biggest myth in dieting. If it slowed down because you don't eat a lot, why wouldn't it speed up when you ate too much?

Calories In-Calories out. That's the only factor in terms of weight gain/loss (sure, for muscle gains and fat loss it's more complicated than that, but you cannot gain weight if you burn more calories than you put it, and you can't lose weight if you eat more than you burn).

Hormones are a lot more important. You cannot gain weight if calories in less than calories out, but you can gain FAT in the wrong places, visceral fat especially.

It is very complicated. Simple people in the fitness industry believe in the simplicity of exercise more eat less. What I'm arguing is that it's terrible advice, which it is, since it fails to produce long term health or long term weight loss, simplest reason being stress. Discipline is irrelevant, it's about where to direct that discipline. Try getting people to lose weight with this bullshit then get back to me

Edit: There are plenty of people with discipline who get fat because they over-rationalize what to eat instead of listening to their body. Bodybuiders, and low carb dieters are the best example. Perhaps take a look at the links I sent, or remain stupid like the Americans you accuse of being.

Rants aren't good in any scientific category of study because they close the mind, and hinder rational processes. This is some terrible health advice, and won't work in the long term.

"If you consume less calories than you require every day, your body will pull the extra calories it needs from the stored fat on your body. Conversely, if you consume more calories than you need, your body stores those calories as fat. It really is that simple."

-Not it's not. Unfortunately eating less only works in the short term, and makes you fatter in the long term, unless eating less was arrived at by switching calories to whole foods entirely.

" A salad with lettuce, tomato, bell peppers, avacado, mushrooms, and topped with a grilled chicken breast is high in protein, fiber, and vitamins."

-That's a good meal if you want to lose weight, I won't deny that. But in the long term, it will have consequences on your metabolism, starting with less thyroid hormone, less T4 to T3 conversion. How many people out there are fat from eating clean foods? The only way I could get really fat eating 100% whole foods is if I ate a lot of fat and carbs with every single meal. I'd feel sick though very shortly.

"You may still be eating too much. Little snacks throughout the day can add up. Make sure you're not sabatoging yourself by eating high calorie snacks in between meals because you're hungry. If you need a snack, have something like celery with a little peanut butter, or an apple or other fruit."

-Again, starvation works in the short term, because of an adrenaline high. THe body will quickly become insensitive to adrenaline and start to feel terrible. Check out 180degreehealth.blogspot.com, Matt Stone has worked with a lot of people who have followed simple health advice like this, only to get fatter and less healthy.

Since I don't believe in the efficacy of ranting, I won't rant. But I will say the 2nd half of the article is better. Sticking with it is good advice, although somewhat obvious. Sticking with a low calorie diet though, is badd mainstream advice that should not be followed.

I know the author has good intentions, but this type of advice has truly destroyed many people's health. If you're weight lifting and training for VJ, the last thing you want to do is eat less. It's how I made no gains for like 2 years, and overtrained the whole time

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THis is probably late for your exams but here is my input:

So far every comment is missing the point.

Food is not placebo... food has a palpable and measurable effect on brain chemistry. Food is therapeutic in many psychiatric disorders, not to say many other diseases. THis is established.

If you have adhd, that's different from just not being able to "focus," sounds like you have something like that, chatter brain.

Someone else said all food does is similar to caffeine and l-tyrosine, this makes no sense and is overly simplified.

THe best strategies are however mental. Start relaxing and focusing your mind through some from of meditation.
Here are some dietary strategies:
-Try lowering the carbs for a day, or a meal at least. This promotes more GABA in the brain which calms it down.
- skip breakfast and start fasting, this enhances brain function tremendously
- eat meat
- chia seeds/hemp seeds or other omega-3, I prefer the plant omega-3 because they have other minerals that produce noticeable increases in focus. Fish oil is good but many products are impure
- eat clean, this means real food
- green tea
- if your brain feels too chattery, take some chamomille, or other anti-stress herbal teas like white tea, passionflower/valerian, or any blend that says "calm down" tea.
- herbs like roobois are commonly found and are good for brain, turmeric is quite potent, cacao powder as well