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6'1" and morning weight is sitting about 310 right now, slowly cutting back down to the 275 range and depending how I feel there I may drop on down to 260ish I feel the best around that weight. I can usually dunk a basketball around that weight as well, honestly there's no excuse to be at my current size anyways so I'm going to re-evaluate my cardio training and switch it to tempo style (inspired to by Chad Wesley Smith's new ebook) and also keep the diet on lockdown. I can cut body fat very quickly as long as I adhere to a strict diet and do cardio 3-4 times a week consistently, and plus lets face it I belong to a vertical jump community here so why not try to dunk a basketball again while getting back in shape lol.

Damn...   That would put my fat person performance to shame!  My greatest fat accomplishment is dunking at 5'11 225... Dunking at 6'1 260 would be a lot more impressive... Probably equal to me doing it around 245 or so...  above 235 I feel like I can barely move. 

grip training is fine but why would you let it limit what you're doing for your legs? get straps.

Agree with this... use straps and/or wrist wraps for almost anything where you have to hold heavy weight... unless your training to be a raw powerlifter why limit yourself...  even when the weight is light.  Even for light load straight leg deadlifts where we use between 135-275lbs depending on person straps allow the lift to be soooo much smoother and target hamstrings better, grip is one more thing to think about!

Tod, I suck at quoting bits and pieces

1. Media is everything these days, show one interview of that worker and then it will influence a lot of people, idk how many times I saw it shared on facebook

- Yes, I realize that.  I'm just suggesting for you not to be one of those people who looks only at one video or what he sees around him rather than looking at the actual data.  I realize how bad media has become...  The internet is extremely polarizing...   Someone has a bad experience with black people and feels a little negative and starts googling and before you know it he is on some site the aggregates story and video (some true, mostly false) about horrific things black people do and then the person becomes an angry racist.   Happens the other way too, black people are angry about racism and find their way to a site where they are indoctrinated with hate against white people and start to believe that American policy is one big conspiracy to hurt black people....   Even happens to  people who are just slightly skeptical of western medicine...  They find their way to natural new or some horrible site and start believing vaccines cause autism and that cancer can be cured with a few herbs and oils...


2. When I made the focus on your own community comment, the kick starter for all of this was michael brown and the hands up stuff was a lie but they still ran with it.  Maybe there are black groups out there that are trying to clean up the streets but we never see it because it's never on the news.  The BLM calling for killing cops has already resulted in a few innocent cops being executed like the one that was pumping gas and the guy unloaded a whole clip into him and the two NYC cops who were shot in their cars.  To me and what we see, I see them doing more harm than good.  If everyone worshiped Sam Jacksons character Coach Carter, we would all be friends.

- You were there when Mike Brown was killed?  I didn't realize you knew for sure what nobody else seems to know.  I think you need to do a better job finding out about positive black groups.   Perhaps your should join your local NAACP chapter and volunteer?   Have you considered that?   The problem is you go by what you hear and you see but you seem to look at a very biased slanted view of the world.   Serious, go to your local NAACP and say you want to help.   I don't know who Coach Carter is so I can't comment.

3.  I can't say for other places but near where I live, there are plenty of those housing units that are either based on salary or super cheap(2-300) a month.  10 is more reasonable than them wanting to jack it up to 15 tomorrow(ik it would take several years)

Again, because you see plenty of them there must be enough?  Well, your wrong.  There is a massive affordable housing shortage in this country.  A market rate solution is the only thing that will work.  People here have listed know every reason why raising minimum wage would be positive and have only negligible negative impact on employment and maybe a tiny bit of inflation...  And in addition one of it's greatest benefits would be the psychological benefit workers would have knowing that they work and can pay for a market rate apartment and put food on the table rather than they work and have to rely on charity to survive, do you know how damaging that is?   But you still think it's not "reasonable" to allow workers to earn a living wage and more reasonable to put all low-wage workers together in a housing project (which contributes to crime btw).  Why is it not reasonable?  Because in your world poor people should be poor?

4.  I've wanted them to split up NYC and NYS for a long time for a number of reasons(and to get rid of cuomo).  I mentioned the video because it was just something that popped into my head when I saw his comment about the homeless.  It wasn't my reasoning for wanting to help the homeless, just a random comment like whenever in my journal I talked about taking dumps, just a random thought.


Well, I'm no expert in the idea of splitting up NYC and NYS and can't think of why it would make sense...  I don't mind anecdotes every so often,,,  But if you are going to go on this forum and call us dumb asses (which is pretty offensive, but I've heard worse in my time so I can take it) then all I'm asking is you back up some of your arguments with actual data about why policy may be effective rather than a story or a video.   

Since you have supplied a million anecdotes I will share one about myself.  I'm a sprinter and I'm mixed between african and european descent (primarily european I have even sequenced my genome).  I don't look typically black or white so I get a lot of questions like "what are you" all the time but none more than after a sprint race especially when I perform well.   I've been asked this by countless people.   I can tell you the most disappointed, racist, and defeatist talk comes from white people who find out about my background...  Everytime they are like "Oh... Africa... that sucks, I thought you might be our fast white person" or "ohhh, makes sense, that's why your fast".   Black people have never had an issue with my whiteness and generally don't really care to the degree that white people do in regards to sprinting...   I bring this story up everytime someone says "why do they call Obama black - he is half white?".   If they knew what it was like to be mixed around both black and white people they would understand.

What's not helping them is the reporters that ask, why do you deserve 15hr when paramedics make less and they save lives and the persons response was, because we have to work the drive through windows and make the fries.

I don't get why that has any affect on their agenda.  You watched one video of one uneducated person saying one somewhat silly thing and decided their cause was not worthy?  If this is your standard then nothing is worthy.  Look at numbers instead of sensationalized videos...

I know there are a number of fast food employees that probably can't get better work for various reasons but I still see fast food places as resume building jobs...a job that you can show other employers that you're dependable and to get a good reference. 

Yes, ideally thats what they are... But while your doing that shouldn't you make a living wage, not a high wage, but a wage where you can afford to live near where you work?

As far as homeless people, the video of the meter maid hitting the homeless guy in the head and yelling at him to get a job really pissed me off...fuck nyc, I hope they split it from the state.  Once my gambling problem with playing the lottery really kicked in, I always told myself I would start some kind of business with living situations and try to help out the homeless. 

Again, you make decisions about policy based on videos of individuals?  I am sure there is a video out their of a homeless person beating someone up and stealing their money to go buy crack...  But, my thoughts on homelessness don't come from videos, they come from data.  I'm glad this video made your more compassionate but I implore you to explore issues for which you hold strong opinions a little deeper and from a less emotional perspective...

Quote from: Eric on November 24, 2015, 10:26:40 am

ok

it's racist to say that these dumb asses should focus on fixing problems within their own community and violence towards each other?  There's a black guy who commented and said the same exact thing as I did, so I am just a bit confused.  If I came off as racist then sure, I didn't mean too, it's hard to not get pissed off at the stupidity of these people, especially with what happened in Minneapolis.

it's only not racist to say that if you also acknowledge that many, many, many of the problems faced by black people in this country are the direct result of centuries of violent oppression of and theft from them by white people -- oppression and theft that continue to this day -- and that the solution to those problems, if one even exists, lies in the dismantling of the systems of institutionalized racism.

Agree 100%.  But at least it appears as racism via ignorance which seems both forgivable and curable...   Then again when I read:

"it's racist to say that these dumb asses should focus on fixing problems within their own community and violence towards each other?"

instead of:

"I think that the largest problems in the black community are not the result of centuries of violent oppression and existing institutionalized racism but rather problems inter-community that can be fixed if black people attempting to dismantle systems of institutionalized racism focus within the community..."


It comes across as a teeeeeny bit overtly racist rather than ignorant and respectful... 

As far as the favorite question by people trying to prove a double standard that doesn't exist: "Why can't we make a white-pride club"?

Well, first of all people already have.  And they are overtly racist.  So you might want a new name...  This has been figured out and there already exist a hundred super PACs with names like "take america back" which look out for white people.   Second, what would you talk about at the "white club" meetings?  You do realize that black clubs in college don't just exist to talk about how great it is to be black and not have to slather yourself in sunscreen every time you go to the beach right?  The exist to combat problems in the black community (which you seem to be a big proponent of) AND fight institutional racism for individuals who would be powerless fighting it on their own...  Will the white club devote itself to fighting racism as well?   Cause that would be strange because white people can just join BSU if they want to do that (when I was in undergrad there were multiple white people in BSU, shoot the valedictorian at Morehouse a few years ago was white!)!

And as far as Muslim clubs... Again you realize it's a religion and you are welcome to convert to it whenever you want.  And that predominantly white religions and cultural groups have tons of totally accepted clubs as well ( italian club, irish club, lutheran club, etc).   Come to think of it I welcome you to convert to whatever you want...  if you think it's not fair that there isn't a club for white people then "convert" to black and join up... since scandal and HTGAWM  got popular the swirl is in and you would be surprised at the love you will get... (half joking).

Seriously, racism sucks.  But it's not unique to whites.  It's a large percentage of older people.  I am mixed so for Thanksgiving every year I have a choice to spend it with some combination of racist white friends and family, racist catholic friends and family, racist black friends and family, or racist muslim friends and family....  And my moms new boyfriend is Japanese so if he his extended family is still alive I might be able to get another flavor of racism... 

How much would you gain off an one-step plant or with a rotate-on-the-planted-leg and jump?

It's a completely different jump!  And for obvious reason (danger) he doesn't want to do it.  But the main point is it's simply not the same movement for KF.  It's like asking a basketball dunker how far they can triple jump - there is some correlation so obviously the assumption would be farther than a basketball player who can't jump - but the movements are different enough that we can't assume performance.   

There is some truth to this for all people.  I remember one summer I really focused on standing vertical.  My initial test was 32''/38' (standing vs running).   After months of squatting and standing vertical my new values were 36''/38''.   This was surprising because I jump completely different from KF standing (I have weak quads and very little knee bend) but still interesting because it reinforced how specificity is extra strong for non-novices.   

The most important point of this post can be realized when we try to figure out exactly why people jump better off a drop step or running approach?  Their are a multitude of reasons but the main reason is that they are already moving horizontally and so have momentum that can be stored on the plant and transferred vertically.   Where do you think that momentum is stored?  A large part of it is stored in the tendons.  Tendons don't have a long timescale where they can return energy and KF has a very slow jump (he bends into pretty much a full ATG squat - even with his power that's just too long a movement to be done quickly).   In fact watching him jump it seems like he is sacrificing some of his muscle stretch reflex for squat depth which to me is amazing!   

Given that it seems we are almost asking the wrong question...  His leg power is so strong that I wouldn't be shocked if he could do a pause squat jump (eg pause in a squat holding a bball and leap up and dunk).   That would be a ridiculous feat but it would follow the path of his development...

BTW, If you are going to insist on something more reactive that would help him would what probably be more useful than approach jump with a plant would be a depth dunk.  He might be able to get significant extra height if he steps off 12 inch box and then squats down and jumps up to dunk.  That way he would have to reverse purely vertical force, no torque, and he would fall with legs prepped for this counter movement.  Would also be more safe than a whipping plant.

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Quote from: LBSS on November 29, 2015, 10:41:12 am

man i'm slow, that's less than a second (or just over a second if you take the high end and add the 0.3 for HT) off my FAT PR.

What was your fat pr?  Your 60m was no greater than 8 when i trained w you, so im giessing no worse than 12.5 unless you had a bad race...

A second is a lot!

13.1 in first race, 13.0 in second race (i think).

Weird.  Maybe nerves got you or maybe you just complete break down at the end of the 100m.  IIRC we ran a good many 60m together and youbwere not super far behind.  I think there was even one where you got a jump on me at the start and I was only able to barely edge you out at the end... Maybe im giving myself too much credit but I believe evem though I wasnt in shape at the time that I was still no worse than low 7s at the time...   Making you mid-high 7s...  I suspect you can run a lot faster than 13.0!

Quote from: Leonel on November 17, 2015, 05:35:10 am

These are some lofty goals you set for yourself there but if you can push hard without major injuries and everything goes well I think it might be bossible. All the best! My goals are pretty crazy too. Untill the end of university in 3 years I want to front squat 200kg for 5 reps (105 x 5 currently) and jump 1m/40" (75cm/30" at the moment) would be awesome if I'm able to do this. But we'll see 

Cheers thanks mate. I don't see any point in putting major restrictions on myself. I'm never going to be an elite athlete but all these goals are reachable for someone who is strong without being an out of the box gifted athlete.

Good on you. That's a great goal. 200 for 5 would be boss! I imagine if you're squatting that then a 40" vert is definitely on the cards.

I'm never one to bash lofty goals but plans to hit marks in 18-24 months are really goals, they are wishes or dreams IMO.  You should dream big... but you should also set goals.  Programming your lifting for the next 2 years is next to impossible AND we never know what's going to happen as far as life, work, injuries (shudder), etc. 

Additionally, your goals are a bit disjointed.  Focus one or two compound lifting goals at most for a cycle (6-12 weeks at most) and bring them up incrementally...   If you squat 180kg structure your lifting (and eating) to get up to 200kg at the end of the lift cycle with periodization and linear progress.  At most bring your bench and squat up during one cycle.  Then deload for a week and test and reevaluate and reprogram...  I'm american so I look at weights in pounds but I never would recommend any non-beginner having goals that involve more than 1 plate multiples (beginners shouldn't plan goals because it's hard to predict when neural gains run out.  If you insist on deadlifting then put it on pause and hit it once a week or so while you bring up squat...  By 1 plate I mean two 45lb plates or 90lbs...  Although really in practice we call 25lb plates half.   So for example if your max squat is 245lbs make a 6-12 week plan to bring it up to 275 (2.5 plates).   When you achieve that consider 315 (3 plates) and then 365 and then 405, etc. 

I'm not going to say your dreams are unrealistic because I can totally see them coming true.... But the chance that they come true is much higher IMO if you make small focused goals along the way...