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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: February 25, 2019, 04:18:17 am »
Yep, even in the NBA draft you'll have athletes giving comparable numbers but the eye sight test will favour a given athlete over the others. Some things are trainable but do not express themselves in a way we'd recognise as athletic. It's a stupid game, no longer trying to play it .. ha. It prob helps cos my vertical is now closer to 25" than 35"  :headbang:

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: February 22, 2019, 06:03:23 am »
Quote from: Coges on February 21, 2019, 07:12:30 pm
Quote from: maxent on February 21, 2019, 05:05:13 am
There's no contradiction.. im claiming daily squatting doesn't seem to do much for athleticism and may possibly limit it and at the same time i do want to become more athletic but not right now, too busy finishing off a goal (that i previously believed to have a benefit but no longer subscribe to that belief). I'm too close to just give up. It's more just to do it than for any benefit that may come but has not yet shown itself.

Mate you mistook my post for sarcasm. It was a legitimate question regarding athleticism. I asked myself the same thing recently and was surprised at my answer and how that lined up with my training practices.

I'm all for chasing that goal you've been chasing so long. Looks like you're closer than ever.

sorry i just understand what im saying and what im doing are two opposite things. if i truly believed this is a lost cause (daily squatting & squatting itself) i prob would stop and do something else. that cognitive dissonance is very real. And yea you got it, it's just about finishing what i started .. ive put too much into this one persuit to turn away after so long


re athleticism, it's something you recognise when you see it. and when someone lacks it you see it. i watched some kids games last friday while waiting for a court and there was a 14 year old kid (i imagine) jumping out of the gym, sprinting all over the court and just beasting in every possible way. that's an athlete. he's a (not tall) white kid but he tried to go for a put back dunk in a game .. that's a FAR better athlete than ive ever been or will become haha

an easier question is what does athleticism mean for me? that would be maximising my fitness, strength to power etc .. very dumb, very gym oriented qualities which are the vestige of the mediocre. or in other words, play a game where you can win at something that doesn't matter

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: February 21, 2019, 05:07:25 am » 
Bodyweight(AM): 88.2kg (21 Feb)
Diet compliance: 17/17 days
Daily Squat: 96/96 days
Daily OHP: 19/19 days
Daily Cardio: 6/17 days
Daily Act: 
Basketball skill work:
Morning:
   

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 1x157.5, 12x135(PR)
   OHP 8x55(PR?)  

Evening:
   

Notes:
  • Right well im never going to do cardio as long as the squats are this hard .. but i may start doing the daily walks again, better than nothing.
  • I've decided to man up and make 157.5kg my daily min max from here on .. i figure anything above 152.5kg feels hard so might as well go for something closer to the goal of a daily 162.5kg minmax. Bar speed was good .. so i'd say my 1rm is closer to 175kg now and probably above that cos it didn't feel like a 90% 1rm. Anyway...
  • the app on my phone says 12x135kg -> 188kg max ha.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: February 21, 2019, 05:05:13 am »
There's no contradiction.. im claiming daily squatting doesn't seem to do much for athleticism and may possibly limit it and at the same time i do want to become more athletic but not right now, too busy finishing off a goal (that i previously believed to have a benefit but no longer subscribe to that belief). I'm too close to just give up. It's more just to do it than for any benefit that may come but has not yet shown itself.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: February 20, 2019, 10:56:45 pm »
Currently it's to get to a maintainable 170kg daily max at 85kg bodyweight and switch focus to athleticism. I think getting to a daily 162.5kg minimum with the ability to (but very seldom) squat 170kg while weighing 85kg is within my grasp if i can get to rep 150kg for about 8 reps. For what it's worth my daily minimum is currently set at 155kg and my rep best is 7x147.5kg. Just need to close that gap then move on from squats (finally).

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: February 20, 2019, 01:58:18 am »
But ive never done jumping more than 1-2x a week. Most of the time it was even less than 1x a week! Once a month even. .. so ive never needed high freq jumping before, why do i need to start that now? it doesn't make sense! Also i've never done peaking before .. i never take time off to 'rest' and 'supercompensate' on purpose .. if it happend it was by accident not something i did on purpose and so it's never been something ive needed to jump high. My previous jump PRs all came as part of normal training not something i created via peaking.  I do remember one time (end of 2015) i was on holiday so i wasn't lifting .. and i did some jumps that felt really high which i couldn't understand why but it probably was a rest thing .. my point is that was never a feature of my training before. if i was trying to peak for 40" say, it would be one thing. I'm talking about levels i previously attained regularly in training.

I do think there is something to the idea that as you get mroe efficient you need less muscle mass to achieve the same result. High freq is def gonig to optimise neural efficiency which might mean there is less stimulus to create hypertrophy. i dont care about studies im just reporting my experience right now

the calories thing is a red herring. every day i get at least 200g protein, at least 150-200g carbs .. that's daily. now im not eating much more than that but obviously i ate more along the way to go from the 82.5kg i started with to end up the 88kg i am now! the only stupid thing about that is that when the weights were light i could afford to eat a lot more and now the weights are heavy and i can't afford to eat as much as i did back then. if daily squatting had worked i would have enough muscle to get my goal (2xbw) but it never delivered on that :(


i havent started cutting yet! That would be the first part of peaking though, which i plan to do. It's delayed for now but i will have to diet off about 3kg to get to 85kg. Not started on that yet, still haven't got enough squat gains to warrant doing that just yet. 150kg for 8 im hoping will be good enough to give me a 170kg squat then i can diet off a couple of kilos to 85kg bw maintaining the 170kg. That's peaking .. not something i can do right now. If i were to do it now .. i'd prob end up being a sub 160kg squatter and miss the goal. On paper i need to be a 180kg+ squatter before i begin a cut so i can still hope to have a 170kg squat in me after cutting

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: February 19, 2019, 11:09:34 pm »
Quote from: LBSS on February 19, 2019, 10:29:26 am
you PR nearly every workout. also, training is about overreaching and then supercompensating while you back off. i bet if you gave yourself a bit of time off you could hit a huge PR. it's why i've been secretly hoping for KF to sign up for a PL comp and actually take a few days off for once. i bet he could hit 600.

i dont think we (ppl who train daily) see it the same way as people who train less frequently. the idea of 'taking a few days off' just becomes unthinkable, it becomes habit in a way you can't really understand until you've done it, compulsive even. ive been compelled to go and squat (heavy) even on days ive felt rough, sick, days ive checked myself out of hospital (lol) and logically it would have been beneficial to skip. And what good is that kind of peaking .. to jump higher, what if you don't even get much benefit .. you lost valuable training time for something you worked hard to build/maintain. But in it and itself ive definitely lost the belief for squatting i previously held .. if you practice it you get good at it and that's about the extent of it, have not seem benefits outside the squat platform.

it reminds me of a conversation we had in this log where todday told me something i didn't agree with. That the only valuable gains that come out of squatting are the ones which involve putting on muscle. And that's it, if there is no hypertrophy .. there is no benefit outside squatting. He ...... was right. In my experience daily squatting doesn't work because i think it actually limits hypertrophy (and even possibly more than that it reduces muscle mass?!) but you get good at squatting so logically you believe if im getting good at squatting more weights for more reps then i must be on the right track. Not srue about that now. It's just neural conditioning, over-specialising in the worst possible way to give the least possible benefit from a GPP perspective.

Quote from: adarqui on February 19, 2019, 01:36:05 pm
seems like when he's jumping more, jumps are decent. remember lots of vids of him really getting up, and that was during the daily squatting experiment.

really can't remember how that felt. it was a year ago i was still getting up .. i would step on the gym scales at 95kg and i coudl still hit 36" jumps .. that's basically rec league zion level compared to what im at now .. strugglign to get 27" (below palm touch on the rim). not even close to 27" .. 25" if im being generous. at that time i wasn't doing daily squatting, dabbling with eod squatting BUT with the caveat i had build my strength up with HIGH volume .. once a week high volume workouts of 10-20 sets of heavy 5s .. that worked better i think because it put more muscle on my body .. daily squatting has not done that at all, in fact i'd suggest the opposite .. the body gets so efficient that it can do more with less. I think even back then i wasn't in danger of putting on slabs of muscle .. there is a natural limit to that and ive probably far surpassed it already.

would do anything to get another tomahawk dunk. another 36"+ jump. but just don't see it now ..


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: February 19, 2019, 10:52:19 pm » 
Bodyweight(AM): 87.8kg (20 Feb)
Diet compliance: 16/16 days
Daily Squat: 95/95 days
Daily OHP: 18/18 days
Daily Cardio: 6/16 days
Daily Act: 
Basketball skill work:
Morning:
   

Noon:
   

Evening:
   

Notes:
  • had a head ache since last night

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: February 18, 2019, 10:01:25 pm » 
Bodyweight(AM): 88.1kg (19 Feb)
Diet compliance: 15/15 days
Daily Squat: 94/94 days
Daily OHP: 17/17 days
Daily Cardio: 6/15 days
Daily Act: 
Basketball skill work:
Morning:
   

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 1x155, 12x132.5(PR)
   OHP 4x61

Evening:
   

Notes:
  • Am sick of squats. I have yet to see any benefit whatsover from daily squatting apart from being better at squatting (marginally) and plenty of downsides. This has been a huge disappointment so far.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: February 17, 2019, 10:37:51 pm » 
Bodyweight(AM): 88.4kg (18 Feb)
Diet compliance: 14/14 days
Daily Squat: 93/93 days
Daily OHP: 16/16 days
Daily Cardio: 6/14 days
Daily Act: 6.5
Basketball skill work:
Morning:
   

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 1x155
   OHP 8x40, DBOHP 5x27.5
   Dips 8xBW
   Chinup 6xBW    

Evening:
   

Notes:
  • Right well .. i think time to do that final reset. Im considering going down to  12x132.5kg PR today and then progress up to 150kg. Not sure if i'll be able to get 12 though, but let's see. I just need a couple of reps reserve to get 8x150kg at the end. If i add 2.5kg every session i should be back up to 150kg in a week. lol.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: February 17, 2019, 10:36:02 pm » 
Bodyweight(AM): 88.1kg (17 Feb)
Diet compliance: 13/13 days
Daily Squat: 92/92 days
Daily OHP: 15/15 days
Daily Cardio: 6/13 days
Basketball skill work:
Morning:
   

Noon:
   BS 1x120, 1x140
   OHP 8x40, 
   QL assistance (pallof presses & 1arm suitcases)   

Evening:
   

Notes:
  • Took a recovery day - knees were beat af. Did a paused 140kg and loaded up 150kg but decided against it in the end, would have been too draining

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: February 17, 2019, 10:34:04 pm »
Quote from: adarqui on February 16, 2019, 06:04:28 pm
squatting and jumping are very different.. :derp: need to jump more if you care about it.

in my n=1 experience squatting and jumping are the same. i could go months without jumping and as long as i was squatting i'd be able to jump 5% within my previous levels. If i practice jumping movement efficiency will bring back the remaining 5%. Past experience. But i haven't got over 32" in a year so it might be that i just got old

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: February 15, 2019, 09:36:16 pm » 
Bodyweight(AM): 88.1kg (16 Feb)
Diet compliance: 12/12 days
Daily Squat: 91/91 days
Daily OHP: 14/14 days
Daily Cardio: 6/12 days
Basketball skill work:
Morning:
   

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 1x152.5 7x147.5(PR)
   OHP 8x40, DBOHP 8x20
   Dips 16xBW(PR)   

Evening:
   Run ~ 5km 

Notes:
  • goign to try force a cardio session .. feels it's been ages
  • Tested my vertical today. I got a clean 25" .. holy shit daily squatting fucking sucks for vertical lmao .. or i got old. o both?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: February 14, 2019, 10:10:38 pm » 
Bodyweight(AM): 88.1kg (15 Feb)
Diet compliance: 11/11 days
Daily Squat: 90/90 days
Daily OHP: 13/13 days
Daily Cardio: 5/11 days
Basketball skill work:
Morning:
   

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 1x152.5
   OHP 3x62.5
   DBOHP 8x25
   Dips 14xBW(PR?) 

Evening:
 

Notes:
  • smh 88kg is too damn heavy

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: February 13, 2019, 09:43:35 pm » 
Bodyweight(AM): 88.1kg (14 Feb)
Diet compliance: 10/10 days
Daily Squat: 89/89 days
Daily OHP: 12/12 days
Daily Cardio: 5/10 days
Basketball skill work:
Morning:
   

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 1x152.5, 7x145(PR)
   OHP 8x40
   Chinup 5xBW
   Dips 13xBW(PR?)
   Cool down ~ 10 mins (deep slow breathing etc) 

Evening:
 

Notes:
  • Might be time soon for the next reset, i need to build up some reserve reps to tackle the end goal of 150kg for 8. Then i'll put this on maintenance.

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