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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Chris' training journal
« on: January 19, 2016, 12:19:00 am »
haha i see

what do u do for core?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 18, 2016, 11:59:28 pm »
Also it is a commercial gym, pretty often packed with people that noone does 'weird' stuff, so it will be a little difficult to do hip thrusts.

Just make sure to make eye contact with everyone while doing those thrusts...  They'll leave you alone and give you all the space you need

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Chris' training journal
« on: January 18, 2016, 11:57:28 pm »
You have the weirdest circuit after your squats and deadlifts lol.  Do you hold down all the stations while running around doing various stuff when people try to use one of the equipment? lollll

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Why are you doing those?  Primetimes are alternating leg... LRLRLRLR.  Stiff legged single leg bounding continuously on the same leg (LLLLL or RRRRR) is very intense and you are not at that level yet.  Master primetimes slow, then master them with more speed, until you master them with a running approach that's fairly fast THEN you can try continuously doing them on the same leg. 

You are collapsing at the knee.  Recording videos is always good, but with these exercises it's very easy to 90% tell by yourself with accuracy if you're benefiting from them -> by noticing if you are feeling the glutes do the work.  If you are not feeling them in the glutes, it's fairly accurate to say you are collapsing at the knee and turning them into a knee extension exercise. 

Most people don't even get to stiff legged LLLLL or RRRR bounds.  Primetimes (LRLRLR) is sufficient for many to get their hamstrings ready and do proper sl bounds and then just progress the sl bounds to progress their sl jumps/sprints.

Wooooooow. I had no idea that I was supposed to do alternating legs. I did them like this last time too. No wonder my hamstring is fucked up. Shit.
I thought these weren't as high intensity because I was getting very little distance with them.
:uhhhfacepalm: :uhhhfacepalm: :uhhhfacepalm:
edit: looked over earlier posts and saw that you indeed wrote alternating legs..My bad. Should have read a little more carefully.

Haha yeah, you're getting little distance with them BECAUSE they are too high intensity for you right now.  They are for most people.  That shit is freakin hard.

I see them as similar to high depth drops.  Seems un-intense, and you can do them forever and stuff.  But after a couple sessions, your joints/body start paying for it.

Get a video of your primetimes next time

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Why are you doing those?  Primetimes are alternating leg... LRLRLRLR.  Stiff legged single leg bounding continuously on the same leg (LLLLL or RRRRR) is very intense and you are not at that level yet.  Master primetimes slow, then master them with more speed, until you master them with a running approach that's fairly fast THEN you can try continuously doing them on the same leg. 

You are collapsing at the knee.  Recording videos is always good, but with these exercises it's very easy to 90% tell by yourself with accuracy if you're benefiting from them -> by noticing if you are feeling the glutes do the work.  If you are not feeling them in the glutes, it's fairly accurate to say you are collapsing at the knee and turning them into a knee extension exercise. 

Most people don't even get to stiff legged LLLLL or RRRR bounds.  Primetimes (LRLRLR) is sufficient for many to get their hamstrings ready and do proper sl bounds and then just progress the sl bounds to progress their sl jumps/sprints. 

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SL-SVJ's are ROUGH.

Yeah I hate doing them because I feel so unathletic lol.

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I agree iso's are not the greatest way of training of course, but some such as planks and iso hip flexor holds can help a lot.  The idea of holding the hip flexors at the top is because that is the range of motion that is weak in most people and from my personal experience, it helped a lot.  But yeah, training the entire range of motion is better so that's why IMO the 8-10 rep hip flexion with 3 sec hold up top works really well.  You train the entire motion while emphasizing the top with longer time under tension.

Is 30 seconds THAT long?  Any longer and I wouldn't like it but a set of ~8-10 squats or so takes about 30 seconds.  And holding the iso in a weak position can be beneficial.  ISO's are never the primary way to go, but they can address weak points in certain movements/muscles and the top of the hip flexion above parallel that Kelly likes to emphasize is something from my experience is true. 

I don't like loaded planks neither but many have used it to great success.  The loading is obviously cumbersome, but again it's not the case of what you said where different fibers are firing.  It's about maximally hitting a specific spot.  Loaded planks make the low abs fire really hard to stay in neutral and that part of the ab is after all, the area we want to hit since pelvic control is what we are after.

Again, not saying ISO's are magic and I myself don't use them except for on hip flexors, but for addressing specific weak points, they can be useful. 

Also, another reason why the standing unilateral hip flexion exercise works well IMO is because it also fires the support legs glute.  Basically teaches your body to get in that position with proper firing patterns.  Glutes extending hips while swing leg provides powerful swing.  Also benefits by stretching the support legs hip flexor.  Kills many birds with 1 stone for an assistance exercise.

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I dont like his 20 sec iso hold at the top neither but his other exercise where you just do weighted standing knee raises and hold the top for 2-3 seconds ifor 8-10 reps is what worked for me in the past to conpletely rid my groin pain during sprinting. These exercises are not necessarily slow twitch. If youre using proper intensity to be challenging for 20-30 seconds, its still max strength and not endurance. You dont call 30 sec weighted planks slow twitch do you just cause theyre an iso? If bodyweight is too easy, just add weight to the iso hold for hip flexors.

Hanging or captains chair knee/leg raises work well too focusing on getting the thigh above parallel. If ur gym has cable machines with an attachment that can be hooked onto ur foot, u can do cable knee drives. Look em up on youtube.

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I see your point about doing glute-dominant stuff before quad-dominant.

I'll do glute activation before primetimes, but what do you think about doing glute activation before SLRVJ's? I know it will help me jump higher in the short term, but I'm not sure if it will carry over to regular SLRVJ's done without prior glute activation.


If glute activation stuff helps you with ANY exercise, do them.  If they help you use more glutes in your SLRVJ, think of it as practicing a more proper movement efficiency of the SLRVJ, and teaching your body what the movement should be and to utilize it better.  As you keep doing them with better glute activation, and getting better at other stuff like primetimes and sl bounds, the carryover will come faster and eventually you won't really need to do glute activation stuff before SLRVJ.  It will already be ready to go and ingrained.

Any prep exercise you do that helps you perform better with better firing patterns, ALWAYS do it.  It's only hurtful NOT to do them.


Also, what's the cause of your groin pain?  It just hurts from sprinting?

FWIW, in my experience when I was doing sprints, my groin would cramp and hurt like crazy too.  Just doing some hip flexor strengthening exercises helped very quickly.  Also helps speed and SLRVJ so might be worth your time to do some HF work 2x a week. 

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1. Still jumping with knee bent. If I focus on keeping my leg pretty straight and only using hip extension, I jump a lot lower.


Don't FOCUS on keeping leg straight.  In a SLRVJ, it should happen to the best of its abilities as possible.  Don't think about it.  If you're strong enough to absorb all the impact, you body will keep as straight of a leg that will be best for you.  No jump is going to be 100% straight though.  You're thinking of a lot of stuff if you're trying to use only hips and stuff.  Don't think.  Just jump.  Only thing to consciously focus on is the acceleration 1-2-3.  Everything else will fix itself to the best of your body's abilities.

2. Is there such a thing as "hip collapse"? I notice on the final step one side of my hips tends to drop. Is this supposed to happen, or are my hips supposed to be parallel to the ground?

No point in worrying about this.  If it's optimal for you, it'll happen.  If not, then same thing as above.  Just focus on acceleration and use other exercises to correct what's holding you back in the SLRVJ.  You don't fix it in the jump itself.  The jump itself is making mistakes due to specific strength factors that you fix with exercises that specifically address that issue.  For example, getting good at primetimes then sl bounds, really loading up the hips will fix pretty much everything you said.

3. I'm not sure how this is going to carry over to ultimate. The only time I wouldn't be able to do a DLRVJ when going up for a disc is out of a full sprint. I would need to use SLRVJ because of the shorter GCT it provides. But would I even be able to learn to do a moderately high SLRVJ out of a sprint??

IDK anything about ultimate frisbee so I can't comment.  No one can really absorb the speed of a top-speed sprint and jump maximally.  I imagine you'll do what basketball players do on the fast break.  Sprint, quick deceleration, re-accelerate into a SLRVJ dunk/block.

Primetimes: 4x20 (L,R): focused on keeping leg as straight as possible

I don't like the idea of doing these AFTER depth jumps.  You're doing a quad dominant exercise and firing up that movement pattern/muscles and then trying to do a difficult exercise such as primetimes where if your knee collapses it negates most of the benefits of the exercises because you aren't loading up the glutes.  Doing these with primed quads from the depth jumps is only going to make the quads want to contribute more.

I recommend doing hip dominant stuff before quad dominant stuff.  You can do all the hip dominant stuff you want, and then do depth jumps and still do them with optimal firing patterns.  Doing quad dominant stuff will have a larger post-exercise impact on firing patterns IMO.

Primetimes also are not that taxing so you won't be tired when it comes to depth jumps.

I recommend doing some glute activation + sprints before doing primetimes. 

Also, again as mentioned before, don't think TOO much about keeping a straight as a leg as possible.  The knee should never really be completely locked.  It will be VERY MINORLY bent but it's about initiating all movement from the hips.  Flexing the hips up explosively, then extending them down explosively.  Did you feel it in the glutes when doing these?  If not, make sure to adjust the intensity so you are getting the proper benefits. For example, don't use a running start until you master it without a running start

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Your SL jumps:

1) Rest between jumps more as mentioned before.  You don't need the recommended 45 seconds as I don't like it neither because you start thinking too much, don't stay warm, etc... but AT LEAST 25~30 seconds.

2) You running in for nothing.  You're decelerating at the end pretty bad and that pretty much negates all the steps before it. 

3) Whether it's weak hamstrings or weak quads or weak ankles or whatever, you are collapsing in the plant at the knee (most likely weak hams).  IMO you will only be reinforcing negative movement patterns this way if you keep doing them.  I'm sure you're not feeling the jumps in your glutes right?

4) IMO the solution lies in the same method as double leg jumps.  Start with a shorter approach.  Do a 3 step jump.  At first, do not worry so much about getting as high as possible, because you need to develop the rhythm to accelerate on each step.  Go slow- fast- faster.  Keep practicing those 3 steps.  That'll set up the penultimate step properly where you ae ACCELERATING into the plant unlike you are doing now.

SLOW- FAST - FASTER / rest ~30 seconds between jumps.  With the amount you currently rest, you're jumping in a fatigued state and increasing the chances of collapsing at the knee.

Once you get those 3 steps down in a smooth fashion where you are accelerating with each step and don't have to think about it, you can start adding in steps.  Just add 1 step at a time (basically t0dddays method), only adding steps if you are capable.  Eventually you might be using a 5 step running approach, or a 10 step, but everyone has a different ideal amount.  No one will eventually end up using 30 steps or anything like that lol so don't stress it if you aren't getting higher from adding steps once you get to 5+ steps.

I'll definitely rest more, I hadn't read your earlier post when I did these jumps. No I'm not really feeling the jumps in the glutes. Incidentally, I hit my previous PR by doing SL hip thrusts between SLRVJ sets, which probably means there's an activation problem there.

I'll focus on getting the 3-step approach down and strengthening the hams.

Yeah, pretty much a super basic homemade vertec in my backyard lol. I can adjust it from 20"-50"

Also, SL bounds are golden for SL jumps so when you do them remember to adjust the intensity so that you are feeling the glutes/hams do work and progressive from there, instead of just collapsing at the knee and using your quads lol

If you're having trouble collapsing at the knee, sl-rdl's won't be enough for the hams.  You need some plyo that trains them specifically for that issue.  Primetimes (stiff legged sl bounds/ alternating legs - LRLRLRLR) are great and can be used as a progression/preparation before regular sl bounds

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: January 14, 2016, 12:47:28 am »
- lower was cool: did single leg rdl's while holding my off-ankle and stretching my quad, heel to butt.. so did these at a variety of angles, and with toes elevated (not heels elevated) to stretch my calf more

That's what you call time-efficient.  One movement = calf stretch, quad stretch, glute/ham strengthening? Killing 3 birds with 1 stone!

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Your SL jumps:

1) Rest between jumps more as mentioned before.  You don't need the recommended 45 seconds as I don't like it neither because you start thinking too much, don't stay warm, etc... but AT LEAST 25~30 seconds.

2) You running in for nothing.  You're decelerating at the end pretty bad and that pretty much negates all the steps before it. 

3) Whether it's weak hamstrings or weak quads or weak ankles or whatever, you are collapsing in the plant at the knee (most likely weak hams).  IMO you will only be reinforcing negative movement patterns this way if you keep doing them.  I'm sure you're not feeling the jumps in your glutes right?

4) IMO the solution lies in the same method as double leg jumps.  Start with a shorter approach.  Do a 3 step jump.  At first, do not worry so much about getting as high as possible, because you need to develop the rhythm to accelerate on each step.  Go slow- fast- faster.  Keep practicing those 3 steps.  That'll set up the penultimate step properly where you ae ACCELERATING into the plant unlike you are doing now.

SLOW- FAST - FASTER / rest ~30 seconds between jumps.  With the amount you currently rest, you're jumping in a fatigued state and increasing the chances of collapsing at the knee.

Once you get those 3 steps down in a smooth fashion where you are accelerating with each step and don't have to think about it, you can start adding in steps.  Just add 1 step at a time (basically t0dddays method), only adding steps if you are capable.  Eventually you might be using a 5 step running approach, or a 10 step, but everyone has a different ideal amount.  No one will eventually end up using 30 steps or anything like that lol so don't stress it if you aren't getting higher from adding steps once you get to 5+ steps.

ALSO: what is that?  some homemade vertec?  in your backyard?  on grass?  Im jealous

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: January 13, 2016, 12:54:24 pm »
What a great anti-ego lifter you are.  I don't care how many times I made a mistake.  If I were you, I'd probably go for 400x3 next workout and end up getting 400x1 and burn out my CNS and cuss myself out for being so stupid

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: January 13, 2016, 12:42:28 am »
I don't get why you hit a PR of 395x3 and you're going to scale back 20 lbs and plan to get back to the PR you just hit in EIGHT weeks? 

You hit a PR, and plan to get back to it 8 weeks later?

What's the rationale for this?

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