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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: belts are for pussies
« on: December 10, 2013, 10:24:22 am »
My 2c (worth less than than when converted to real currency) is that this is a nail in the coffin for raw-dawg thinking which says beltless is best. For 2 guys squatting the same weight, the guy without a belt is stronger. Fact. No one can dispute that with any EMG study.

But moving on from that obvious fact, this says if you put on a belt, you get more pop out from your legs when squatting. Greg says it in terms of quad and hamstring recruitment which is something I don't understand but the gyst of it is that the weight gets a lot easier to move when you use a belt because you can fire more leg muscle fibres to move the load. This a revelation.

 In the past it was thought just have more IAP with a belt made it easier because it helped with the superficial and obvious matter of stabilising the torso. But now we think it helps activate more muscles in the leg. If i was a beltless guy before, i'm not for-belted just because leg strength is training goal #1 for most of us and if a belt helps us use more leg musculature then that's a good enough reason to use it.

Rambling digression, it's kind of like when I squat without using caffeine. Everything is a lot heavier. A lot harder. I must take off 10% off the bar. It's magical taking caffeine and finding the same weights a lot easier and more than that, being able to lift a weight you couldn't lift without the caffeine. Belts seem to have the same effect here, so if we take caffeine to lift more weight better then using a belt is justified on the same grounds.

I only wish I could use a belt but it always seems to throw my form off so much. I wonder if it's because I get so much contribution from my legs and buttocks with a belt that it causes my hips to shoot up too fast? Might be something to explore.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / belts are for pussies
« on: December 10, 2013, 10:13:27 am »
Should you wear a belt or not? Study write-up

A few notes about the study itself:

- It’s actually uses relatively strong subjects.  Not world champions, but the subjects had to meet one of two minimum criteria:  either an 8rm of 125.5kg (~277 pounds) or an 8rm of at least 1.6x body weight.  So these guys at least had a little experience under the bar, which means the results are more apt to translate to people who have been lifting for a few years than if the study had been done on untrained people.

They looked at a lot of different variables.  They used a force plate to examine force output, they used a camera system to gather kinematic data (joint angles and how the body moved, essentially), they measured intra-abdominal pressure, muscle activation via EMG, and time it took to complete each phase of the lift (bottom of the lift to 90 degree knee angle, 90 to 135 degrees knee angle, and 135 degrees to full extension).  This is good because it gives us a broad picture of how wearing a belt affected the movement as a whole, not just one variable.

What they found:

1. The “sticking point” became much more pronounced without a belt. 

2.  There were no significant differences between belted and beltless with regard to kinematic and force plate data. 

3.  Intraabdominal pressure was 25-40% higher in the belted group, as opposed to the beltless group.


4 a) no significant differences were observed for the spinal erectors in the belt vs. beltless set, and muscle activation in the eccentric and concentric phases was actually quite similar, indicating that it takes about the same amount of effort from the spinal erectors to keep the spine extended during both phases of the lift.


IMPLICATIONS

1.  In spite of the set with a belt being easier (since both sets were performed with the beltless 8rm), it still resulted in greater quad and hamstring activation, especially during the sticking point and as the set progressed, respectively.

http://gregnuckols.com/2013/12/04/should-you-wear-a-belt-or-not-study-write-up/

(vag, raptor, acole, todday etc get reading, i want your thoughts on the whole thing thanks!)

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 10, 2013, 09:31:33 am »
Just checked quads and they're ~19.5" - which is dwarfed by todday's 24" quads (!) - but yeah i need a lot more meat on my quads to not have stick legs. I'm all ham (he says as he bites into a slice of ham and cheese pizza).

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 10, 2013, 09:22:49 am »
holy shit, i went to play ball before replying to vag's post and came back to this. it's quite simple really, i never claimed my quads are 27" (!). I said thighs!! ie the biggest circumference around my leg. This is mostly upper hamstring with the remainder being my inner thigh muscles whatever they're called lol. It's not my quads. No way would I have 27" quads lol.


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 10, 2013, 12:17:32 am »
if you think you can take it psychologically, i'd try doing one assistance exercise at a time for your back, low weight, moderate-to-high reps, after squatting. so start with 3x10 really light good mornings, maybe. or hypers, which you can do on a bench.

When you put it that way i can def work with that. Thanks so much. I see now that I need to keep it fresh and interesting, i couldn't stand the thought of doing the same assistance exercise for a long time. Also starting conservatively so it doesn't disrupt regular training is a lesson i've always had to learn the hard way.

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also, 27" is huge! :o

lol, 27" sounds crazy to me too but it's true even when cold. After squatting it goes up half an inch. But I do weigh 96 or whatever it is now  so dunno.

I just realised I still have to lie about my squats. I was too embarssed to tell my friend that i'm a lowly 140 and 155 squatter and instead said i am a 150 and 170. The latter is my current goal sure, but i'm not there yet. So I have work to do.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 09, 2013, 08:21:11 am »
not complicated to get back stronger. ask kingfish: hypers and revsere hypers, and lots of heavy pulling for the upper back. done.

I just hate doing (back) exercises which disrupt squat progress. I'll start to do good mornings, deadlift, ab wheel or whatever assistance exercise and then when I find it's ruining my squat workouts i'll stop doing them :( Also my workouts get too long if i do anything more than squats and a pressing exercise . And the one time I devoted myself to a year of posterior chain exercise - the RDL -- it gave me nothing for my dedicated efforts which is something I don't want to repeat again.

edit The prospect of doing an assistance exercise for a long period of time is repulsive but I am more amenable to doing a 'back specialisation' for say 3 weeks? Is there such a thing. Also open to rotating assitance exercises every 3 weeks or so. That way I won't get bored and stop doing them since there will be something else around the corner to look forward to rather than the dread and monotony of the same exercise.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / chasing athleticism -- RSR-W1D1
« on: December 09, 2013, 08:09:03 am »
Training
FS 1x137.5
BS 1x145, 6x2x130

FS notes:
Honestly had no idea what to attempt on FS today. i felt that I wasn't ready to do a repeatable 140kg just yet, but i didn't wanna go as low as 135. It's all bullshit really. I will work up to a repeatable 140kg and once i get there then i'll find out what my max is, hopefully on the strong side of 145kg.

BS notes:
Fuck basketball, has ruined my backsquat and hurt my back :( I am having serious form problems have found myself with technique amnesia on the heavy reps. I think i eventually figured it out during 3rd double of 130kg but by then enough fatigue had accumlated that i couldn't go for a PR. For the record I failed a string of reps starting from 145-153.5kg which i haven't logged.

So russian squat program redux. This time i'll get more out of it after my first attempt. Bring it on!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 09, 2013, 02:46:37 am »
I thought my legs have been looking bigger the last 2 days but it was probably in my head but thighs measured out to 27" (!) this morning. I had a discussion wiht mutombo in my log a while back about leg sizze and we both had similar leg size of around 23.5" or so from memory. I remember saying i just wanted to have 25" legs. Well now I have 27" and I still don't think that's enough for my frame to not look skinny.

I feel as though right now my squat is limited not by my leg size or strength but my ability to stabilise my body out of the bottom of the movement. ie, i need more ham+back+abdominal strength. Maybe at most an inch more to my legs needed to be able to backsquat 4 plates and 2xbw? Will see. I n the meantime i need to figure out a way to get my back strong. It's probably where i'm lacking hte most right now, even outside the gym. If my back was stronger i wouldn't have injured it again playing basketball on monday. I hope it heals soon!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 07, 2013, 06:38:01 am »
Played ball again lolz. Was a lot more explosive today jumping. But on that end of the court the rim is low so it's not really anything special. I am going to try the Broz approach of embracing the dark times. Perhaps i'll adapt and come out of it ok.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 07, 2013, 01:12:30 am »
Nice work grinding out that benchpress!

Thanks! Hopefully the 3x97.5kg coming friday won't be grindy.

It's interesting how you lifted your left foot off the floor as you missed the rep... I wonder if you were loading up more on your left leg or something.

Yeah. My right foot from my perspective always rotates like that when i fail. Left is my strong side of the body so it makes sense. I got greedy i really should have gone for 155 or 157.5kg instead with a smart warmup of around 145kg. So annoyed with myself. I might give it another go on monday. But to do that i have to take this weekend off to rest and play no bball.

This past week i played ball on saturday, then monday then friday. 3 times is quite a lot when i was trying to peak my squat. I regret that but if I don't play ball when my friends want to, they might lose interest and then later when I want to play they might be unwilling. So in a way i'm just going along even though i realise it's supoptimal to ramp up so aggressively especially at my high bodyweight right now.

This is another thing i wanted to mention. I am taking quite a beating to the hips and legs from playing heavy. I landed pretty hard yesterday and it shook me up. My lower back has been feeling funky ever since. This is what I was avoiding. It's also costing me in the gym. Maybe there is an adaptation period to it and after which thing will be much easier to recover from? But perhaps I should just get my bodyweight down into the mid 80s first? I don't want to waste time though when i could be getting in ball shape. So. i'm in two minds. Keep playing ball, and take the hit to my squats. Or get my squats up and get bodyweight down first before playing a lot of ball.

I really strongly want to 160kg @ 95kg backsquat out of the way asap as that was my RSR goal. It has to be at 95kg or more otherwise it's not as valuable to me. So getting say 160@ 93kg will be worse in my eyes. But that's with shoes and clothes and everything. So my bodyweight in the morning could be as low as say 91-92kg and it will still be ok. For the record this morning i am 94.6kg.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / chasing athleticism -- RSR-W6D3
« on: December 06, 2013, 07:12:47 am »
Training
BS 1x150, 0Fx160, 0Fx155
BBALL ~1hr
BP 3x95 (PR)

BS notes:
I was running late for basketball so I had to rush everything but still managed to be really late anyways. I have to say a few things - my choice of weights was probably wrong, i must admit in hindsight. I could have given it a lot more consideration. For instance. If my 1RM is 155-157.5kg then I shouldn't have done a single with 150kg first. It's too close to the max that it causes enough fatigue to prevent a successful PR attempt. But. It seemed like a jump from 140kg to 160kg was too steep. that's why I went for the intermediate 150kg. In hindsight my last warmup shuda been around 145kg only.

I'm pretty gutted at failing what I thought was an ideal end to the program -- 160kg max would have been sick. Unfortunately lack of sleep and having a cold and playing too much basketball on the last week cost me my goal PR.

Looking at the video now, i had it pretty controlled into the hole, came out of the hole ok. And i just couldn't get past the sticking point. I hate that about my squatting - i either get a rep strongly or fail. I don't have the opportunity to grind out a heavy 1RM like most ppl.

Basketball:
Pickup ball has been ramping up, i worked up a decent heart rate today. And hit a lot of my jumpers. To the point where leaving me open for a midrange was a defensive error costing points against. So that's the only good thing about training today. Otherwise very ordinary.

BP notes:
I did the cgbp today AFTER playing basketball. I think on a fresh day i could triple 97.5-100? I really want to get to 100kg just for the milestone then i'll work towards a 120kg max which is an awesome uperbody goal (to/for me). Surprisingly i'm being beginning to grow what appears to be pecs! I wonder what the next 10kg will bring? So exciting. Til very recently I had no visible pecs, just man boobs.


I feel pretty terrible about missing 160kg.  I didn't even get a chance to weigh my fat ass so i dunno what bw was. Doesn't matter. Next week, new program. I am also putting an end to the unlimited eating. I am so sick of eating food now, i have turned myself off eating. Looking forward to eating less as of tomorrow onwards.

My new goal going forward is a 170kg backsquat @ bodyweight of 85kg. My plan for getting is quite obvious to me after my stint with the RSR. I'll just restart RSR with 130kg. The only difference is i'll try to bump up my 1 rep PR by 1-2.5kg every week, so i wont be going 6 weeks before attempting a heavy PR again. Ie. i'm adapting RSR to my needs. I will also be capping volume to under 25 reps, no 6x6s this time around while on a caloric deficit. Oh and basketball takes precedence so i'll have to be really smart about recovery. But yeah thie job is only half done. I need to get the 2xbw BS out of the way asap, it's the easiest most trivial goal I am embarassed not to have done yet.

Also, sad day today. Rip to a fallen soldier, original OG, Mandela. Grew up looking up to him, we will miss him.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / chasing athleticism -- RSR-W6D2
« on: December 04, 2013, 06:40:51 am »
Training
FS omitted (!)
BS 2x6x120
BP 6x50, 6x60

FS notes:
Need my legs fresh for fridays max sesh so allowed da fronts. Btw my right quad has been unusually more sore. I think it's from all the jumping and basketball i've been playing -- which is cool cause i guess it shows up an imbalance or weakness that hopefully i'm correcting as I get better at SSC at this high bodyweight while eating a lot.

BS notes:
Why don't these ever seem so easy? Light day my ass.

Going to binge my way thru the rest of this week. I've decided to go for a 160kg max on friday. It should be do-able if I skip front again, do minimal upper body work today, and no basketball or jumping for the rest of the week. 2 sleeps + good diet + no training + restfulness should do the trick.

I just want to make a note in passing, while my legs have gotten a bit bigger on this squat program, it's my ass which has truly grown. I just shocked myself by looking in the mirror and seeing it after gyming. It must have happened overnight because I can swear I dont remember it being so prominent :o

Vag lol thanks! i don't mind at all, i'm happy for the free exchange of ideas and thoughts to take place here! It's been pretty interesting to read.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 03, 2013, 12:52:15 am »
When is the last time you've done plyometric work? You look like a guy with a lot of untapped strength into power. You're like a mini-tractor that sucks when he's pushed at high RPM.

Looking good^^^

You're still SO slow in your plants and moves and everything... you should start doing some more plyos and sprints and stuff like that when you think you've had enough with strength training.

Just cycle these things out.

agree.

But that beard....epic sir, epic.

I'm going to have to agree with Raptor and LBSS, just imagine how much higher you'll be jumping with a proper run up and low BF though!

Raptor i haven't done plyometric stuff since last summer when I dabbled at it for a few weeks. Did depth jumps from 24" or so? I didn't measure it out just used a retaining wall near the basketball court. I haven't done sprints in ages. They used to make my legs too sore to squat normally but i really loved doing them when I did.

If you want to run up faster. Do you just .. run up faster? Is that what I should be focusing on? I will think about it next time.

It's still really early for me. I only played ball for the first time on saturday. Then played again monday. And will play friday once more. Saturday I was really slow and unexplosive. Monday I was much much faster but still quite ultimately slow.  So i'm going to get a lot of muscle memory gains each time i play for a while. But when it stops working i'll need to ask for help. I actually would like to know what sort of things would give me the most value for the buck. If there is a low-impact exercise or activity which can make me more reactive i'm all ears. I used to love doing short sprints, 5x30m but they leave my legs too smashed to play ball normally and/or squat well. Maybe i'll try longer sprints this time and do 200m ones instead? I can try that friday.

I haven't reached my strength goals though so i'm going to keep trying to push my squats up. I feel a 180kg backsquat will make me strong enough and if I achieve it my front squat will be round that 2xbw corner. Otherwise the only way my front squat becomes a double bw is if i do the long cut to 75kg which i've been advised to avoid.



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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / chasing athleticism -- RSR-W6D1
« on: December 02, 2013, 07:12:25 am »
Training
FS 1x140 (PR)
BS 1x150, 0Fx155, 1x150, 1x140
JUMPZ 6xRVJ, 3xSVJ

FS notes:
I felt like a FS PR today. And i didn't bother with some small change one, went all in for the 3 plate milestone. Got it without any fuss. I don't even think that's my max right now but i'm happy enough for the moment to get my goal of 140kg. Focus meanwhile remains on backsquats.

BS notes:
Plan was to double 150, get a new PR of 155, and then do a single of 150 to complete the rx of 4 reps of 150kg. I wasn't fresh enough to do that though. I didn't force the issue on the double. Nor on the 155 max. I remembered to knee-in action on the next rep of 150kg which was a slow grinder, i think because I fatigued myself on the 155. All in all, i ended up attempting 5 heavy squats which I believe is enough work for the day.

Jump notes:
Excited after getting my squats in, i went to ball with my friends. Did some jumping. Was a bit slow and sluggish to get going. But got warmed up eventually to dunk ok.


I've been playing too much ball lately, which is not helping my weights sessions. But i am embracing it because it will improve my chances of keeping my shit together once i've finished the program and moved on to a fat loss and conditioning phase centered around basketball while maintaining my absolute strenght and building my relative strength in the gym.

Not sure if i wanna bench today.  May do, or leave it for weds.

So that was the last hard squat session of the program. Light day wednesday, max out on friday.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 01, 2013, 09:05:59 am »
Fared pretty poorly the next day. Soreness all over, legs, hips, buttocks, lower back, upper body. Ugh. I took it as a sign and smashed a lot of protein, starting with 2 shakes. Drank over a litre of milk. Ate eggs, bread, ham. Loads of chicken. Pasta. Went out for a birthday dinner at a thai restaurant -- ate loads again, green curry chicken and phad thai represent. I haven't been this full in a long time. I also did a fair bit of restorative work, stretchin and rollin. Feels pretty good at the end of the day. Lets see how it goes tomorrow.

Just for fun i'll go weigh my self and see how it compares to the morning bodyweight.

Morning bw: 94.25kg
Night bw: 97.5 kg
delta: 3.25kg (7 pounds for my imperial brothers)

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