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There's lots of good info out there on the benefits of iso's.  I'm incorporating them right now, but more in the Jay Schroeder model. 

Check out Keith Baar when you have time.  There are a couple of podcasts or videos he's done where he talks about the benefits of iso's on tendon rehab/strength etc... pretty interesting stuff


Thanks, I'll check out Baar! I remember Schroder from the good old ISO EXTREMES days. Not sure I totally buy into it, but there is some overlap between what he recommends and what's recommended by the c4hp dude I posted above (primarily focussing on longer muscle lengths).

Right ankle still very noticeably swollen and occasionally sore/sore in certain positions. May need to go get it examined further, sigh.

damn that sucks man :/

you stopped icing?

it's feeling stronger though right?

i probably should get my injury checked out too.. slight improvement tho recently, so still trying to hold off & hope it magically disappears.

I think it's probably got worse while travelling, since I've been on my feet so much, and yeah had not been icing very much before setting off, either. Should get back on that when home and see what happens.

It is feeling stronger. Need to do more dedicated strengthening stuff, though, like calf raises, etc.

437
30-07-19

Got antsy for lack of 'real' exercise (done lots of walking, obvs) and did some sets of pushups, hollow body holds and some hangs on various doorways. All the ledges too small for me to do more than a single + it's mega hot and sweaty so just sliding off. Should've packed chalk  :P The psyche is high for a return to training in a week, though.

Right ankle still very noticeably swollen and occasionally sore/sore in certain positions. May need to go get it examined further, sigh.

438
ah damn about the rings. ya i need to figure out how to get back into them. going to step up my bodyweight training a little, soon. want to get back on the rings, loved em`.

With you on that! Rings are great fun. Basically all climbing gyms have a rings set up, usually at a good height, so I might staying messing around with them more during warmup/cooldowns.

i have no expertise anymore :ninja:, but i do prefer yielding isos vs overcoming, for most stuff, except maybe grip. i don't like overcoming isos for pretty much anything else, too intense & burn me out too quick. the pulling muscles (lats for example) probably respond better to yielding isos/holds. so i can see weighted holds or negatives being pretty effective.

looks like he probably knows what he's doing, probably good advice. with any of that stuff tho, have to be careful.

that guy's oac's are insanely strong.

Makes sense. I have never really understood the point of overcoming ISOs either. I saw somewhere in his feed he does recommend them as part of OAC training for people who can't do an ISO hang yet, but I don't think I'll bother with that. Will just incorporate some of this into my training and see where that takes me.

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This dude is a very respected S&C coach in the climbing community, and for strength stuff he is obsesses with intense ISOs (and also talks about how 'the literature' suggests those are good for tendon repair/avoiding/rehabbing tendonitis). The OACs in the second video are extremely clean, and he says he doesn't train "moving" OACs ever -- in light of that smashing out as good a set of 5 as I've ever seen is wild. Maybe I should incorporate some of this ISO stuff for OAC/chin training then...not sure. I guess the whole of grip training for climbing is ISO based.

I obvs can't hold an OAC isometric for 5+ seconds yet, but he recommends 2-arm ISOs are good too if you can't do them...

Adarq you're an ISO expert, what do you think?

Edit: main strength protocol he suggests: 1-2 x clusters of 4x5s hangs, near max intensity 30-60s rest inside the cluster

440
The soreness I get from climbing is really interesting. From my normal chinup training the soreness I get, when I get sore from it (which isn't very often), is localised to quite high up on my lats. From climbing the main soreness is rear delts and really low down on my lats, near where they insert at the hip.

reminds me of rings.

you don't do rings too much right? i'm going to get back on my rings soon. they make your abs contract much harder.

I don't do rings anymore, nah. Would be nice to have a setup, but there's no way to make them work with the pullup/dip tower that I have. Would be fun to do some front/back lever stuff and RTO dips, all that's good for helping prevent elbow injury.

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on the plus side, today i finally got into grad school (17th grade! scholastic level PR!) (also what up, joe, i'm moving to london) and my organization signed a multimillion-dollar grant that will enable us to do some great work.

Sweet. We'll have to go running together when you get here! Where are you going to be studying? I'm guessing SOAS?

442
24-07-19

BW - 71.8

Workout

Chins
BW x 3, 3
+8 x 2
+16 x 1
+24 x 3
+27.75 x 3
+16 x 6
+11.75 x 6
+5 x 7
BW x 9

Hangs
HC@24mm x 5s
HC@21mm x 5s
HC@18mm -
BW x 7s
+2.5 x 7s
+5 x 5s
+3.75 x 7s
+2.5 x 7s
BW x 9s

One arm bar hangs
BW x 5s
+8 x 10s, 10s, 10s
BW x 20s

Dips
BW x  4
+8 x 3
+16 x 5
+24 x 4
+16 x 5
+8 x 8
BW x 12

SS1A Hollow Body Holds
BW x 20s [stricter form than usual]
+2.5 x 17s [1.25 in hands + 1.25 b/w feet]
+5 x 10s [2.5 in hands + 2.5 in feet]
+2.5 x 15s

SS1B German Hang
BW x 40s, 40s, 40s

Notes

Fun workout. Pulling/gripping stuff all felt pretty weak since I'm not recovered from Friday's OAC negatives yet, let alone from climbing on Monday. Anyway, good to overreach a bit before a holiday.

Managed 10 pullups at the end of climbing session on Monday, but only 9 chinups after today's sesh, tells you about the cumulative fatigue there.

Figured I'd get a benchmark on weighted hangs @ 18mm, even while fatigued. A 7s hang seems to be the gold standard for testing your max, and was mildly disappointed not to get that with +5kg -- didn't quite fail at 5s, but could sense that I wouldn't safely make 7s.

One arm hangs going to be a big addition, I think. Feels really good on lats/shoulder stability -- feels like it will help not just for OAC/chin strength generally, but also for those times when I need my shoulder/arm to be stable while I've reached really far to a hold while climbing. Right hand's grip feels much weaker than left, it wanted to open up a bit towards the end of the hangs which never happened with the left hand.

Dips felt really strong.


443
The soreness I get from climbing is really interesting. From my normal chinup training the soreness I get, when I get sore from it (which isn't very often), is localised to quite high up on my lats. From climbing the main soreness is rear delts and really low down on my lats, near where they insert at the hip.

444
22-07-19

1'45" climbing session

Notes

Decent enough, didn't manage any particularly challenging climbs, but was still quite sore/weak from Saturday's workout. Will try to fit in a lifting sesh on Weds probably.

No issues with left elbow today, surprisingly! Had kind of been feeling it after the one arm negatives session, in the familiar old tendonitis-y way. Nothing major yesterday and then nothing at all today, even when pulling hard on the wall. Mysterious, but I'm not complaining.

445
20-07-19

BW - 71.9kg

Chins
BW x 3, 3
+8 x 2
+16 x 1
+24 x 1
+32 x 1
+40 x 1  :personal-record: :personal-record:
+43.75 x F [really fast pull to 90* then stuck, this will go pretty soon too]

OAC negatives
full rom x ~3s, ~4.5s  :personal-record: :personal-record: :personal-record:
bottom half x 2s

Deadhangs
HC@24mm x 5s
HC@21mm x 5s
HC@18mm x 5s
HC@15mm x 8s, 8s, 8s
3FD@15mm x 8s

One arm scap pulls
BW x 3, 3

Dips/KB OHP
BW x 5
+10.5 x 7, 7, 7

Hollow Body Hold
BW x 33s, 33s

Notes

 :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf:

Maybe a dumb workout, but I had a feeling I was getting close to being able to do some meaningful one arm negatives. Had sort of internally decided I wouldn't bother with that until I'd hit 40kg on chinups first, though, so had to hit that. It moved really well so I decided to go up a bit more, should maybe have been less amibitious because 41.25/42.5 would almost definitely have gone, I think.

The OAC negatives felt fairly in control except for the very end bit of the ROM, so that's why I included the one arm scap pulls later in the workout. Need to get strong just hanging around on one arm and in the bottom bit of the ROM. My left shoulder impingement makes scap pulls feel a little funky if I do them lazily, though, so that's something I need to be careful of.

Deadhangs solid, didn't think I'd get to 3x8s on 15mm so quickly. When back from holiday I'll start weighted hangs on 18mm.

Likely only one more workout before I head on holiday. I'll do more volume than intensity that day, I think. Might be able to get two workouts in, though. Anyway, hopefully 10ish days of rest during which I do some elbow tendonitis repair focused eccentrics will put me in good stead to tackle the OAC properly.

Think if I stay uninjured and able to train this twice a week I'll have an OAC by the end of the year. Other than injury main impediment to this I foresee is that my chinning setup at home is not very convenient for OAC stuff, since it's one of those dip+chin stations. Means there's a lot of stuff very close to you all around you when chinning, so with having to twist a bit on OACs it's not very convenient.

Need to get out and run!! out all day tomorrow, so maybe monday..

stoked about this workout!

446
16-07-19

BW - 71.4kg

Chins
BW x 3, 3
+8 x 2
+16 x 1
+24 x 3, 3, 3

Deadhangs
HC@24mm x 5s
HC@21mm x 5s
HC@18mm x 10s, 10s, 10s
HC@15mm x 5s
3FD@21mm x 13s

Dips
BW x 4, 4
+8 (myo) x 10+3+3+3

Hollow Body
BW x 30s, 30s

Notes

Still a bit sore from Saturday, quite tired generally, but happy to get a decent session in. The 5s hang on 15mm was nice to hit.

Left elbow a little bit icky feeling, so shall be careful going forward. Am travelling for 10 days from next Thursday, so may just take that as more or less total rest and see if elbow feels good on return.

Ankle still not really 100%, which is annoying, but really should go for a run again soon.

447
13-07-19

2 hour climbing sesh, was nice. Ankle held up well.

448
12-07-19

Didn't run today, but did a w/o with GF, teaching her how to do swings, get ups etc. Was fun, she enjoyed it. Also messed around with some front lever rows -- can pull to hips near bar in a full tuck, which is fun feeling.

Going climbing tomorrow, going to have to be careful not to jump off because of the ankle, so should be good way to force self to downclimb.

449
damn almost a chin + 40kg, sick. that climber strenf building.

Highgate 10k was fun last night, seeing Steph Twell pull it out late against Salpeter was extremely hype.

so you went to it?

sick!

almost under 31 min. 31:08 is a no-joke time. Especially when you consider McColgan (mostly a 5k runner tho) was over a minute slower.

flying.

(full results:
https://results.opentrack.run/x/2019/GBR/not/)

men's C is still under 30 min. ridiculous.

that's such a sick event.

forgot to reply to this, sorry!

yeah it's a cool event, i wasn't feeling 100% that eve so didn't make the most of it, but it's amazing seeing people so fast like right up close. The crowd was also extremely hyped for McColgan. The track had a green light running around the inside lane to indicate the Olympic A standard, so she was getting cheered on to beat that standard, which she destroyed over the last couple of laps.

450
11-07-19

BW - 71.5

Workout

Chins
BW x 3
+ 8 x 2
+16 x 5
+24 x 4
+16 x 5, 5

Deadhangs
HC@24mm x 5s, 5s
HC@21mm x 5s
HC@18mm x 8s, 8s, 8s
3FD@18mm x 7s

Dips
BW x 5
+ 8 x 8, 8, 8

SS1A Kneeling Ab Wheel
BW x 10, 10, 10

SS1B German Hang
BW x 35s, 35s

Notes

Strong again today. Haven't hit +16x3x5 on chins yet, and I did it with a +24x4 in the middle, so that's nice. Deadhangs felt good too.

Bought an 8kg KB b/c (a) my GF wants to try out KB stuff and (b) it's the ideal weight to complete all the loading for chins/dips I'd ever need. Nice win-win.

Felt strong on ab wheel, alternating w/ hollow body stuff seems good.

Ankle still occasionally a bit buggy, but might go out for like a 15 min jog tmrw just to see how it holds up.

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