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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: June 09, 2011, 06:48:58 pm »
9 June 2011

Bodyweight@session : ~193,5
Injuries/aches : none
Soreness : none
Fatigue : none
Stim : 2 teaspoons instant coffee 2,5 hrs before session, 1 redbull 1 hour before session.

ME rim jumps , concrete , 9'10'' rim

WARMUP:
- 10 mins dynamic warmup
- Usual submax building intenity jumps sequence

9'10'' RIM JUMPS:
2x3 SVJs : max ~30.5'' , ties all time :personal-record:
2x3 dropsteps : max ~33''
3x4 DLRVJs : max ~34''

- SVJ awesome , besides the PR tie i also had 3 SVJs at ~30''.
- Tried to get 35'' RVJ but failed. 34'' were rim touches so i could have peaked a bit higher but 34,5'' at most.
- RVJ feeling good , still room for developement.
- Every single jump above 32'' , breaking wrist and puting all hand in rim.
- Awesome session , considering it was 9PM , not fully stimed and not fully recovered.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Starting Strength - Incorporating Half Squats Link..
« on: June 09, 2011, 10:07:38 am »
Quote from: dirksilver on June 09, 2011, 09:43:58 am
Quote from: steven-miller on June 09, 2011, 05:36:52 am
Lakers, you are not reading appropriately - SVJ is not the same as RVJ.

I also think that people are not trying very hard to understand his position and where he is coming from. People just get into these discussions without an open mind and then get upset, like you are, that he is not accepting the idea that some athletes make solid increases in their SVJ without some form of prove. And he is rightfully so asking for it since those gains (let's say 30%, which is a number that has been used in previous discussions), despite the perception on forums such as this, are pretty rare. You could even look at the logs in THIS forum and on TVS and count the guys that increased their standing jumps more than 30%. There are people who did that, but if you think they are more than a small percentage, your perception of it is clouded.
You also have to understand that athletes on a board like this are a somewhat "special" population in itself. For Rip the SVJ is merely a diagnostic tool. People here treat it as their training goal. Those are two different worlds clashing together.

Those things should be discussed, but IMO this thread got quickly out of hand because opinionated people from both sides did not try very hard to understand the other side and could not get their heads wrapped around what was the actual difference in opinion. It's a pity that this is the case though.

i agree with that though i would say more of the stiff neckedness was on rips side

x2

I agree with steven-miller views on being open minded , differencing a general athlete from a VJ-trainee , seeing the big pic with SVJ possible progress etc.
But rippetoe is less openmided in this case for sure , those statements are provoking arrogant.

Just 2 cents from someone ( not an athlete , not even close ) who took his SVJ from ~20'' to ~30,5'' ( just a bit above 50% improvement ) squatting mostly above parallel.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: June 09, 2011, 04:32:10 am »
8 June 2011

HIGH-FREQUENCY 5:3:1 BLOCK :

Week 3 , Day 2

Bodyweight@session : ~192 , win!
Injuries/aches : none
Soreness : calves 2/5

27'' DEPTH JUMPS: 4x5
-Jump height achieved felt higher than last time.

JUMP SQUATS ( reset at each rep ): 3x5@45lbs

PARALLEL BOX PISTOL SQUATS:
3x5@BW+45lbs
-Again Right leg = semi-grinders , Left leg= easy and explosive.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: June 08, 2011, 06:02:21 am »
Quote from: LBSS on June 07, 2011, 06:15:14 pm
nice, does that mean your approach is getting better? gotta post another vid.

Not sure. I always tend to get better at RVJs at ~192lbs and below so it could be the weightloss ( net weight in the morning is ~189 currently ).
All the depth jumps and jump squats must have helped too, i feel like i am loading my jump much better planting from a runup now.
All latest jumps were submax though, so i can't really tell, i must video a true ME session soon.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: June 07, 2011, 06:01:36 pm »
7 June 2011

Bodyweight@session : ~193,5
Injuries/aches : none
Soreness : calves 2/5
Fatigue : none

Conditioning/recovery workout

WARMUP:
-10 mins mins dynamic warmup

SPRINTS:
1x5x40m @ 100%
-Sprint , walk back , rest ~10 seconds , repeat.
-Very nice , feeling light and springy.

10'4'' RIM JUMPS:
1x4 SVJs : max ~28''
1x4 dropsteps : max ~31''
1x4 DLRVJs : max ~32''
-Decided to jump more on 10'4'' on non PR days , eventualy 10' will 'look low'
-Verified it today already , after those jumps i went on 10' and did a 28,5'' SVJ , 31,5'' dropstep and 32,5'' DLRVJ , all 0,5'' above than the best jump of each set on 10'4''.
-After a looooooong time ( January or so ) DLRVJ > dropstep.  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

MORE SPRINTS:
1x8x80m @ 60%
-Sprint 20 seconds , rest 40 seconds , repeat.

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Basketball / Re: airdogg vs werm raw footage up close HD nba sprite showdown dunk contest
« on: June 07, 2011, 11:08:52 am »
Quote from: Raptor on June 07, 2011, 03:49:04 am
I think Werm looked head over rim at a few dunks. Angle, but still...

And you are the same person that claims that the lebron jump is barely head at rim?



 :P

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: beast
« on: June 07, 2011, 11:02:58 am »
Quote from: Raptor on June 07, 2011, 10:36:08 am
Look at the original angle (0:03). Does that seem head over rim to you?

The original angle is much worse that the slow-mo , very far and very sharp ( 45' or more ) it is terrible for making any kind of measurements. But it's not like i care if that was a 40'' or 45'' or 50'' jump , it is just awesome!
Just for the talk , i would guess around middle of head or so, headtip ~6'' to 8'' above rim.

Quote from: LBSS on June 07, 2011, 10:23:54 am
who said it was 55"? point is he clearly had a significant part of his head over the rim. in the middle of a game.

LOL , it would be 55'' for the lebron teen fan that sees 'neck at rim" so ~15'' above - 55''.
I was playing the hater role, uses distortion and all and makes an estimation much lower than the lebron fan , to end up on a still unbelievable thing ( mid head above , 45''+ ) , then hater silenced from respect to the achievement.
I was expecting you'd catch the sarcasm...  :-*

Quote from: LBSS on June 07, 2011, 10:23:54 am
i'll never forgive him for not doing the dunk contest. fuck elbow in rim, lebron looks like he could do armpit in rim.

x2

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: beast
« on: June 07, 2011, 09:27:45 am »
Quote from: Raptor on June 07, 2011, 04:51:50 am
Nah that's probably close level to the rim... so ~40.

no!



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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: June 07, 2011, 04:34:20 am »
Quote from: LBSS on June 06, 2011, 11:10:50 am
I hate that shit, when I feel like I can get 1-2" below peak with ease, over and over but then can't get beyond it. Oh well, just gotta try to do better next time.

LOL , i love how we know in detail ( and from experience of course ) every single way a jump session may fail!


7 June 2011

HIGH-FREQUENCY 5:3:1 BLOCK :

Week 3 , Day 1

Bodyweight@session : ~192.5
Injuries/aches : none
Soreness : none

9'' DEPTH JUMPS: 2x10
-Good , 3-4 awesome

JUMP SQUATS ( reset at each rep ): 3x5@45lbs
-Better every time. Still jump height dropoff at last 2 reps.

FULL SQUATS: 5x1@253lbs
- Depth was 1'' or 2'' above parallel. I think 253 is PR at this depth. All reps semi-grinders at bottom but form still solid.

LEG CURLS: 3x8@110lbs

SINGLE LEG CALVE RAISES: 3x15@BW+66lbs
-Weights were taken so i had to do SL.

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: beast
« on: June 07, 2011, 04:18:57 am »
Bullshit!!!
There is crazy cam angle distortion : It looks like his whole head is above but it is only like half or 2/3 of it!
His head reached only about 8'' to 10'' above , not 15'' or so that you see...
So ( given his height is 6'8'' ) this is not a 55'' jump as it seems , this is barely 48'' to 50''
oh , wait...

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: June 06, 2011, 05:02:42 am »
The caveman , the castaway , the athletic anorexia man, Air Jesus himself!!!  :highfive:  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

Thing went good , some good jumps in there.  Pity you didn't peak but oh well!

Surprised that rim was 10' , you remember how we always thought it looked a couple inches lower. Probably the rim was always 10' and most dunkers lie about their height to get props. Remember some "under 6 feet" dunkers looking huge compared to the rim. I was hoping 9'10'' + peak would happen , that would have you landing crazy shit down.

Jelly legs always happen on something important. Whenever i am about to hit a big milestone i get them, hard to get over it too. I imagine at a dunk contest like that it is much more intense!

U mad bro , your feet jelly?


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: June 05, 2011, 07:17:25 pm »
5 June 2011

Failed ME jumps session  :uhhhfacepalm:

Jumping on concrete ,  10' rim

Bodyweight@session : ~194
Injuries/aches : none
Soreness : glutes 2/5 , was 4/5 yesterday , reverse lunges FTW!
Stim : 1 redbull

Excuses:
1 - Jumps 4 hours after lunch ( including alcohol )
2 - Jumps at 9PM so not able to use caffeine.
3 - Rims were taken and when they got free it was too dark

FML!  :pissed:

- 10mins dynamic warmup

- bunch of low/mid effort jumps.

ME jumps:
- 1x4 SVJs : shity!
- 1x4 Dropsteps : shity!
- 1x4 1&2 step DLRVJs : shity!
- 1x4 3-4 steps DLRVJs : shity!

For the lulz: submax jumps warmup was great. Despite the alcohol and food and all i got a 10'7'' dropsrep ( 32'' ) and a 10'8'' RVJ ( 33'' ). By the time i rested and did my SVJs  set it got too dark. All SVJs ~27'' , all the other jumps stuck at 10'5'' ( 30'' ). Crazy CNS shutdown , 30'' was ridiculously easy but i couldn't even get 31'' no matter how much i pushed it.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: June 03, 2011, 07:50:58 pm »
31 May , 1&2 June :work convention all day, no training but awesome diet.

3 June 2011

HIGH-FREQUENCY 5:3:1 BLOCK :

Week 2 , Day 3

Bodyweight@session : ~192.8  :highfive:
Injuries/aches : none
Soreness : none

18'' DEPTH JUMPS: 4x5
-Awesome , felt very smooth/springy/high.

JUMP SQUATS ( reset at each rep ): 3x5@45lbs
-Good but still big dropoff at 2 last reps.

HALF SQUATS , Build up to 3RM:
1x8@77lbs
1x6@121lbs
1x4@165lbs
1x2@209lbs
1x1@253lbs
1x3@297lbs
-Awesome , legit half squat ( adarq pin 6 ) depth.

BB REVERSE LUNGES:
3x5@165
-Added these to make up Wednesday's missed workout.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: May 30, 2011, 06:42:54 pm »
30 May 2011

HIGH-FREQUENCY 5:3:1 BLOCK :

Week 2 , Day 1

Bodyweight@session : ~193.5
Injuries/aches : none
Soreness : none

9'' DEPTH JUMPS: 2x10
-Matched yesterday's 28.5'' indoor SVJ PR.
Geting those head heights in so restricted environment is awesome.

JUMP SQUATS ( reset at each rep ): 3x5@45lbs
-Those feel improved too, by means of smoothness & power.

FULL SQUATS: 5x3@231lbs
-Great form , good speed.

RDLs: 3x8@187lbs
-Slow , controled , extra deep ROM , perfect.

CALVE RAISES: 3x15@264lbs

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: How deep would you call this?
« on: May 30, 2011, 12:17:07 pm »
Quote from: Dreyth on May 30, 2011, 12:12:51 pm
Quote from: Raptor on May 30, 2011, 12:56:23 am
Quote from: Dreyth on May 29, 2011, 09:07:42 pm
If full is only breaking parallel, than that's 1/3 squat.
If full is atg, then that's 1/4 squat.

Decide on "full squat" first!

First than, and then then?

I don't understand  :-\

You mad bro?  :P

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