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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Starting Strength - Incorporating Half Squats Link..
« on: June 09, 2011, 10:07:38 am »Lakers, you are not reading appropriately - SVJ is not the same as RVJ.
I also think that people are not trying very hard to understand his position and where he is coming from. People just get into these discussions without an open mind and then get upset, like you are, that he is not accepting the idea that some athletes make solid increases in their SVJ without some form of prove. And he is rightfully so asking for it since those gains (let's say 30%, which is a number that has been used in previous discussions), despite the perception on forums such as this, are pretty rare. You could even look at the logs in THIS forum and on TVS and count the guys that increased their standing jumps more than 30%. There are people who did that, but if you think they are more than a small percentage, your perception of it is clouded.
You also have to understand that athletes on a board like this are a somewhat "special" population in itself. For Rip the SVJ is merely a diagnostic tool. People here treat it as their training goal. Those are two different worlds clashing together.
Those things should be discussed, but IMO this thread got quickly out of hand because opinionated people from both sides did not try very hard to understand the other side and could not get their heads wrapped around what was the actual difference in opinion. It's a pity that this is the case though.
i agree with that though i would say more of the stiff neckedness was on rips side
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I agree with steven-miller views on being open minded , differencing a general athlete from a VJ-trainee , seeing the big pic with SVJ possible progress etc.
But rippetoe is less openmided in this case for sure , those statements are provoking arrogant.
Just 2 cents from someone ( not an athlete , not even close ) who took his SVJ from ~20'' to ~30,5'' ( just a bit above 50% improvement ) squatting mostly above parallel.
