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isn't it possible for this method to give inaccurate results if you leap off with straight legs but coming down can be delayed by bending your legs and therefore increasing your air time.

why not do the couch stretch instead? That one is pretty relaxed for me

I would also have to concentrate to keep it loose as involuntary contraction can set off the cramp.

But as Adarq experienced if I was to to bring my heel to my butt without my hands and try squeeze my heel to butt as much as I can. I can feel the cramp coming up.

It has had an effect on the politeus as I do get that area become a lightly rigid but not painful so rotate and try loose and stretch it.

Quote from: seifullaah73 on April 16, 2020, 10:28:20 am

Have you guys ever had that hamstring pain when you stretch your quads bringing your heels to butt but when the angle reaches 45 degrees hamstring contracts and stiffs and cramps and you dare not straight your legs as muscle is stiff and will cause more pain then iris until you slowly bend and straight till it goes. Gives me understanding of hamstring tear when sprinting.

So I quickly bring heel so my hams don't have to contract when going slow as hamstring has to stabilise legs when being raised slowly.

It is very tight and painful if I let my legs be bent any opening of the knees and hell breaks loose.

yup i've experienced that many times. for me, it seemed to happen when i had greater quad flexibility or forced the stretch too much, either way resulting in hamstrings/gastrocs coming in "too much" contact. almost like it just "cramps up" being in that position. the after effects could linger for a few days, or even a week or more.

i think for me, when that happened, it would tweak the "popliteus" muscle. Could be what's happening for you.. not good to tweak that muscle.. it can cause all kinds of issues and knee instability.

some weird chain of events could be happening, ie similar to what FDL said .. something contracting in that position and causing a problem.

pretty sure we're talking about the same thing.



i've been back on the no-stretching boat for the last 6 months, feel really good. plan to stay here.

be careful with it!

pc!

hmm.interesting. I stretch my hamstring a lot now before stretching the quads to avoid this problem.
If I am stretching my quads by standing and bringing my heels to butts, the semitendonous muscle cramps up before my heels reaches the butt and is hard to straighten it as that muscle has become short and stiff to straight, so I have to slowly straighten it once the cramps calms down 10 degree angle at a time.

It's like the hamstring wanting to contract when it's not supposed as I am using my hand but would without my hand and my quad straightening and stretching. If i can relax my hammies when stretching this make it loose then good.

but imagine that cramping occurring when running and you straight your legs, you're asking for a tear.

I used to be able to do these with strict form and with weight slow or quick but now I can descend slowly but not all the way down but then collapse after. Don't know why, maybe because I haven't done the in long time or increase in mass I did this when I was 8.5 stones.

Date: today

Condition: Nice warm day. Ramadan and Lockdown restart workout. Low intensity.

Warm up
   Calf stretches
   Ankle hops for height
   Hamstring stretch
   Quad stretch
   Hamstring leg extension stretches bent and straight
   High knee holds
   Back stretch

Warm up (Back alley)
   A walk x 30m
   A skip x 30m
   B switch skips x 30m
   Alternating high knee drills
   A straight leg runs/bounds
   Low to high dribbles to run
   A runs

Workout
   Sprint start
      - 1 step x 2
      - 2 step x 3
      - 3 step x 2

   25m sprints
      - 2 x banded
      - 1 x unbanded

Cool down
   Stretch

Comment
Runs felt good. Especially with band if only I could have tendon reflexes like bands where it can snap back once stretch quick.

Have you guys ever had that hamstring pain when you stretch your quads bringing your heels to butt but when the angle reaches 45 degrees hamstring contracts and stiffs and cramps and you dare not straight your legs as muscle is stiff and will cause more pain then iris until you slowly bend and straight till it goes. Gives me understanding of hamstring tear when sprinting.

So I quickly bring heel so my hams don't have to contract when going slow as hamstring has to stabilise legs when being raised slowly.

It is very tight and painful if I let my legs be bent any opening of the knees and hell breaks loose.

Date: 04/04/2020
Soreness: hamstring doms from thursday

Condition: Lockdown speed training

Warm up
   ankle mobility
   calf hops with height while avoiding heel collapse as much as possible
   calf stretch
   hamstring stretch
   quad stretch lunge
   glute hip extension stretch
   high knee hip holds
   back stretch

Track warm up
   A walk x 10m with green speed bands
   A skip x 20m with green speed bands
   B skip x 20m with green speed bands
   A run x 20m with green speed bands
   Alternating high knee x 2 with green speed bands x 30m
   Sprint starts
      - 3 x green bands
      - 3 x red and green bands

Track workout (track aka back alley) - its also slight incline
    26.64m sprints (distance between 2 lamp posts)
      - 5 x red and green speed bands
      - 3 x without bands (I was averaging around 3.8 seconds) felt strange and lacked explosiveness will need to only run with green bands if I am running further than 10m.

Home gym
   upstairs runs with green and red band
      - 3 x 3 - some quick choppy step runs

   leaning knee drives
      - 3 x with green bands followed by no bands

   single leg standing extension holds with red bands
      - 2 x 4 x 15 seconds holds

   leg switches with blue bands 2 x 7 each leg

   leaning knee drives with green band 2 x 8-10 each leg

Cool down
   stretch

Comment
OK session.