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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / Proper Jump Squat technique
« on: April 20, 2011, 12:37:18 am »
When doing jump squats, I was wondering if it's okay/beneficial to do them not only in an explosive way (obviously jumping as high as possible), but also in a reactive way simultaneously?  For example, in the starting position, I drop down, and as fast as I can, I catch myself and explode up.  Is this good? 

Or would jump squats be better utilized with just controlled movement on the way down, and exploding up high as possible, while leaving the reactive strength development to depth jumps?

Also, how much weight is too much for jump squats? 

How do I know if I should progress weight on this (X inches off floor?)?

What kind of rep/set schemes should these weighted explosion exercises like jump squats and weighted exploding step ups (dumbbells) be used with?

Thanks.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: The best BASKETBALL-SPECIFIC exercises?
« on: April 20, 2011, 12:01:27 am »
Quote from: Dreyth on April 19, 2011, 10:21:16 pm
Quote from: bball2020 on April 18, 2011, 09:16:48 pm
agree with the slight margin thing..u can go from 200lbs to 300lbs benching, but would it make any real difference in your game? Not really, help in same situations i guess, but if your really thinking your getting "better" by benching more your kind of mistaking. On the flip side, if your a weak dude putting on strength (and MASS like JC said) will make a huge difference.


Pretty true. I guess the bench will really just help with more full-court chest pass distance. I mean, what else? I bench for mass as well though, more upper body mass will probably help more than upper body strength at a certain point.

I agree with you all.  Reason for me posting this topic was, assuming we all agree upper body STRENGTH helps in basketball, are there better exercises that carryover to basketball better than Bench Pressing or Pull Ups? 

Or is gaining upper body strength in general, through any exercises, the same thing?

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Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros / Re: Ankle taping in the NBA
« on: April 19, 2011, 11:57:07 pm »
Quote from: Dreyth on April 19, 2011, 10:29:31 pm
Quote from: Raptor on April 03, 2011, 03:34:28 pm
Hence I turn into a jumpshooter when I play ball, and I think that's a smart thing to do.

+ +9,000

Whenever I'm in Europe I NEVER drive into the lane. Hell no, not outdoors, with 35 year old men pounding me because I'm "American" and much more athletic than those idiots. And we're playing on concrete with some small potholes. Not to mention, nobody realizes they're not playing tight D at all because there's no 3 point line on this court and they sag off anywhere more than 15ft from the basket if you're on the sides of the court (where it's harder for the defender to judge distance since he's not near the paint and he is facing away from the basket anyway). So I'll just make them pay anyway with my jumpshot. I'm a jumpshooter anyway.

LOL are you serious about those European ballers?  I gotta take note, as I'm going to England in the summer.

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Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros / Re: weird pain on top of foot from basketball
« on: April 19, 2011, 12:36:01 am »
Quote from: JelloPuddinPup on April 18, 2011, 08:15:22 pm
Might have just stepped weird and strained a muscle. If the foot is fully functional without severe pain then I would doubt you tore anything. Maybe a sprain/strain. Ice/Heat that mother and stretch it out every couple hours. See how it feels later.

Get a paper cup, fill it with water, freeze it and cut out the bottom so it looks like the end of a pencil w/ an eraser on the end then massage it with that. Usually works well for isolating a spot so you don't have to ice the whole foot.

Is there a large amount of swelling or any bruising?

Nope, foot looks perfectly fine.  Just hurts when pressure is applied.

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Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros / weird pain on top of foot from basketball
« on: April 18, 2011, 02:59:48 pm »
I had a game yesterday and I don't remember too well, but I THINK it was when I just ran fast and stopped suddenly, kinda like hitting the brakes, I felt something weird on the middle of the top of my right foot.  I woke up today, its not unbearable, but there is pain there when I put pressure. I can walk fine tho. Anyone know what it might be? 

The pain is middle of the top of my foot. Never had any foot issues before

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: The best BASKETBALL-SPECIFIC exercises?
« on: April 18, 2011, 02:55:33 pm »
Quote from: JC on April 18, 2011, 04:44:23 am
Quote from: Ineedtodunk on April 18, 2011, 01:17:36 am
JC if you understand what I'm trying to ask why aren't you just answering the question?  How is this an impossible scenario?  It may be unlikely but theoretically I'm just asking what the outcome would be?

TWO GUYS PLAYERS A ND B - COMPLETELY equal height/weight/lower body power/body composition/skills, however player A has significantly more upper body strength than player B.  Who's the more effective player?

I didn't say strength from bench press, so please don't use your logic from before.  Just assume player A has a lot more upper body strength.  Who wins?

Player A wins by a slight margin

But it's still impossible.


Not impossible, just unlikely. Didn't you just counter your own argument saying improved upper body strength doesn't matter as long as u have the mass?

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Nutrition & Supplementation / NSAID's, ibuprofen, anti-infalmmatory drugs
« on: April 18, 2011, 02:44:09 am »
Would taking these on a daily basis have any negative effects on your body?

Any side effects?

I heard they mess with protein synthesis, which I have no idea if its true or what it even means.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: The best BASKETBALL-SPECIFIC exercises?
« on: April 18, 2011, 02:37:53 am »
Quote from: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 18, 2011, 01:48:07 am
Quote from: Ineedtodunk on April 18, 2011, 01:17:36 am
Just assume player A has a lot more upper body strength.  Who wins?

Who wins the game, a lot will depend on how good your team-mates are too.

Is this a joke?  I really think this is a joke, but just in-case you somehow are not joking, obviously I'm talking about who's the better player.  I'm trying to understand JC's argument.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: The best BASKETBALL-SPECIFIC exercises?
« on: April 18, 2011, 01:17:36 am »
JC if you understand what I'm trying to ask why aren't you just answering the question?  How is this an impossible scenario?  It may be unlikely but theoretically I'm just asking what the outcome would be?

TWO GUYS PLAYERS A ND B - COMPLETELY equal height/weight/lower body power/body composition/skills, however player A has significantly more upper body strength than player B.  Who's the more effective player?

I didn't say strength from bench press, so please don't use your logic from before.  Just assume player A has a lot more upper body strength.  Who wins?

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: The best BASKETBALL-SPECIFIC exercises?
« on: April 16, 2011, 10:54:40 pm »
Quote from: JC on April 16, 2011, 09:05:24 pm
Quote from: Ineedtodunk on April 16, 2011, 08:52:30 pm
Quote from: JC on April 16, 2011, 03:43:43 pm
Yes I played middle school and high school. Everything you're saying is because of increased mass not upper body strength. We'll agree to disagree. I never said getting stronger was a bad thing.

And you're agreeing with me anyway. Get better at passing/dribbling/boxing out/swatting through practice, and leave the weight room to get better at compound lifts and eat enough to put on mass. Like I said in the original post

"Just get stronger in general in your upperbody. If you shoot correctly your power should come from your lower body. You'll develop more range by practicing. Lifting isn't going to help with that."

Hey I was reading your back and forth with JelloPuddinPup, and I am legitimately interested in this topic because I have been wondering this same thing for a while now.  So are you saying that, if there were 2 players, Players A and B with same skill set who both are 6'0" and 180lbs, but player A is 15% BF, while player B is 5% BF.  And assuming they both have equal lower body strength/power, and the leaner player B is stronger as well (upper body), they will still be equal players?

Whoever has the better skill set is the better player. That situation is never going to occur though. It's always better to be leaner.

.................................. you're completely missing my point

Okay, lets say 2 players 6'0" 180lbs / exactly equally skilled / same body composition / same lower body power

But player A can bench press 300 lbs, while player B can only bench 180lbs.

Does player A have an advantage in basketball over player B?

I ask this, since you said mass is what helps in basketball, not strength when it comes to upper body.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: The best BASKETBALL-SPECIFIC exercises?
« on: April 16, 2011, 08:52:30 pm »
Quote from: JC on April 16, 2011, 03:43:43 pm
Yes I played middle school and high school. Everything you're saying is because of increased mass not upper body strength. We'll agree to disagree. I never said getting stronger was a bad thing.

And you're agreeing with me anyway. Get better at passing/dribbling/boxing out/swatting through practice, and leave the weight room to get better at compound lifts and eat enough to put on mass. Like I said in the original post

"Just get stronger in general in your upperbody. If you shoot correctly your power should come from your lower body. You'll develop more range by practicing. Lifting isn't going to help with that."

Hey I was reading your back and forth with JelloPuddinPup, and I am legitimately interested in this topic because I have been wondering this same thing for a while now.  So are you saying that, if there were 2 players, Players A and B with same skill set who both are 6'0" and 180lbs, but player A is 15% BF, while player B is 5% BF.  And assuming they both have equal lower body strength/power, and the leaner player B is stronger as well (upper body), they will still be equal players?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: April 15, 2011, 06:32:55 pm »
Quote from: adarqui on April 15, 2011, 02:43:17 pm


Quote from: JC on April 15, 2011, 01:42:35 pm
Was there a reason you were taking so many anti inflammatories before? They can actually inhibit protein synthesis.

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/282/3/E551.short

ya i know

i had 'gout' in my left big toe, got it from the oral antibiotics for staph.. shit was so painful, had to dose up like crazy, then found i actually liked to dose up once in a while to relieve some aches and pains.

pC




I take anti inflammatories too, for my OSD.  Helps a lot. 

I don't understand the article, does taking NSAIDS affect protein somehow?

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: The best BASKETBALL-SPECIFIC exercises?
« on: April 15, 2011, 04:30:14 pm »
Quote from: joejoe22 on April 15, 2011, 04:25:12 pm
Quote from: Ineedtodunk on April 15, 2011, 04:20:48 pm
I don't have a problem with shooting and range... My shooting power comes from my legs and technique.  I was just talking about what exercises should I invest my time on as a basketball player, since upper body strength is important as well.

Your power should come from your legs (on your typical shot).  But, what about if you have to shoot over the top of someone and you have to shoot at the top of your jump?  Or if you get bumped and you are falling down?  Or if you get a board and go back up and someone gets a piece of the ball as you are jumping? 

You need additional strength to power through those situations.

Lol, I agree with what you're saying, I never said the opposite -.-

I'm just asking, are there better basketball carryover exercises I should replace Bench Press and Pull Ups with, or are those the best for upper body.  When I say basketball carryover, I'm not talking about more strength for shooting, my shooting is more than fine right now.

Quote from: joejoe22 on April 15, 2011, 04:00:40 pm
I would suggest try to do basketball type moves with resistance.  Like, my Dad and I made this thing in my garage that worked pretty well.  It was a basketball inside of a sand bag, and the sand bag had a rope tied to it that went up through a pulley, then down to the ground where we could hang weights on it.  You could set the initial height of the ball by looping the rope around the weights.  Then jump up and grab the ball like a rebound and pull it down to your chest like coming down in traffic with the ball.  I think it worked great, and my hands and fingers got really strong.  I got used to grabbing the ball out of the air with force instead of just touching it. 

Another cool thing we made was to strengthen your forearms.  It's super easy to make too.  Just get a broom handle (or like piece of wood) tie a rope to it, then hang a milk jug off the other end.  With both hands, roll up the jug, then back down.  Add sand to the jug (or water) for more weight.  Don't need much weight either.  That is great for adding some range to your shot or having the strength to shoot off balance or after contact.

Something else that is great for shoulders and hand strength is do passing drills with a medicine ball.  Once you practice passing and catching a 10 lbs ball, a basketball feels like a nerf ball! 

All of those directly relate to a specific activity you might encounter during a game.

Those are very movement specific and sounds like fun, but I'm just looking to see if I should stick to Bench Press and Pull Ups or not.
Quote from: Rip on April 15, 2011, 03:46:18 pm
Overhead press

Why Overhead Press?  Why is this better than bench press.  And If I do this OH press, wouldn't I be neglecting my chest, as it is a shoulder workout?
(Maybe I'm wrong, Im unfamiliar with OH presses)

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: The best BASKETBALL-SPECIFIC exercises?
« on: April 15, 2011, 04:20:48 pm »
Quote from: JC on April 15, 2011, 03:56:49 pm
Just get stronger in general in your upperbody. If you shoot correctly your power should come from your lower body. You'll develop more range by practicing. Lifting isn't going to help with that.

Get stronger in these 4 movements and that will help you.

Horizontal Pushing (bench press, dumbbell bench, etc)
Vertical Pushing (overhead pressing)
Horizontal Pulling (rows)
Vertical Pulling (pullups, chinups, pulldowns)

I don't have a problem with shooting and range... My shooting power comes from my legs and technique.  I was just talking about what exercises should I invest my time on as a basketball player, since upper body strength is important as well.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / The best BASKETBALL-SPECIFIC exercises?
« on: April 15, 2011, 03:23:19 pm »
Obviously for lower body, squatting is most essential.

But for Upper body I've been doing Bench Press and Pull Ups to target my chest/back/arms.  Are there other exercises you guys know that can replace Bench pressing or Pull Ups that will carryover to basketball better?

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