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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: February 07, 2016, 08:02:19 pm »
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Legs constantly dead now. I psyche up and do my reps but it is a torture.

This could be a bad sign... but based on your RDL pr I would bet your just in the "dark times".  Keep pushing and you will adapt.  In a few weeks you will feel much better and be much stronger.  Be safe though especially when it comes to weight increases...

To be fair the gpp was designed because of the cold winter that doesnt allow outdoor training... Didnt realize you would find the time for hours of full court bball... 

Im not advising not to play bball - just manage it.  Remember full court pickup basketball can be an exhausting whole body workout so draining you cant do much else OR a light submax warmup...  It depends if your the guy chasing down loose balls, crashing boards and running down players on the break or the guy sauntering up the court casting threes and playing just enough defense not to make your teammates mad...  For now you should err on the side of the latter...

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: February 05, 2016, 10:12:57 pm »
Forgot to mention my last two jumps were 50 frames each so ~33" vertical. Slight improvement! I'm also recording from the back now so I can more clearly see when my heels start to lift up. Still measuring from when heels start to rise until toe-down.

Will start recording at 120FPS if I can remember to. Will have a vacation soon and I plan to play some basketball. I'll see how far up the rim I can get my wrist. I'll get it on vid too so we can see how the frame counts compare to touching the rim.

Measuring from heel rise to tow down cam be innacurate depending on how you jump... heels can be off the ground despite a lowered center of mass...  takeoffs are tricky, this is why you should use the frames from the fall (frame at top or max touch to frame when com of mass returns to normal).   Part of the reason you might measure a "better" vertical w a greater knee bend is the change in positioning of com, this is not something you want to train for...

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: February 04, 2016, 02:35:19 pm »
you are pissing most of that out, lol.

i am a moron and was thinking of something else. 5000IU/day is within the max your body can process and you live in NYC, where it's winter and there's not enough sun. carry on.

Also, vitamin d is fat soluble so unlikely he is excreting much in his urine...

Vitamin d is crazy because its a hormone and basically does everything - a lot of the new research on it shows benefits at megadoses (10k-15k IU daily).  However, guidelines still put the maximum recommended levels at 40000 iu so I couldn't responsibly tell you to raise your dose...

However if you do... bump is up slowly and if you get constipated thats a good sign you need to dial back...

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: February 02, 2016, 09:06:36 am »
Continuing the off-topic ( sorrryyyy ), i am a big fan of converting long distance world class performances to small chunks to realize the greatness. I prefer converting them to sprints.
Half marathon @ 1:05 is.... 210 consecutive 18,5 seconds 100m tempos, LOLOLOLOL, 210 !!!

Hahah.  I think converting them to quarter miles makes them seem most impressive...  The guy who set the world record (pretty much same name as me - thats where similiarty ends) ran a 400m split time of around 67-68 seconds.  FOR 52 CONSECUTIVE LAPS!   

This is a time that a majority of physical fit active men couldn't hit for 1 rep.  He did it over 50 times. 

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: February 01, 2016, 07:17:34 pm »
How do you mean that?

I think I have written some long posts about this in the past so I will try and be somewhat concise.  But basically when it comes to body composition there are usually two camps (and as always neither is totally correct).  One is the IFFYM camp that insists calories are calories and if you have a deficit you will lose weight and if you have a surplus of calories you will gain weight.  The other is this camp that believes in a lot of voodoo like "you can actually get fat from not eating breakfast" and things like this.  The first camp usually scoffs at the second camp by reminding them that their claim violates the laws of thermodynamics and that they are obviously fools.   From a physicists perspective this is a silly thing to say because the human body isn't a thermodynamic energy harvesting machine...  Water/minerals and a million other things we put into our bodies clearly have energy but since we can't break the bonds of water and store it as energy but can store the raw materials as bodyweight - we are not a great model for thermodynamics.  The simplest example being this: If a human lives in space for 3 months and eats a caloric surplus the human may come back weighing less because of mineral bone less - this is weightloss despite a caloric surplus which will make a leangains IFFYM parrots head explode.

Back to you.   Of course I don't  know exactly why your seeing the scale go up... It could be unaccounted for oils in your food although unless you recently switched your food sources (say now you get your gyros from a new restaurant or the old restaurant changed their tzatzki sauce recipe) it probably won't make a large enough change that you can see it in a couple weeks...  Even if your error is always off in one direction and your consuming 300 more calories than you think this will take awhile to make a difference.  Since this isn't your first rodeo I highly doubt it.

Personally, if I had to bet I would look at what is probably the only variable thats changed - your training.  You are adding muscle.  Well not really.  You might say "but it takes way longer to build muscle" and you are right.  It's unlikely your adding significant amounts of maintainable tissue - but you are adding LBM or at the very least not adding much adipose.   You recently switched your training to GPP style training and have combined that with basketball.  Your short rest interval but still relatively high intensity training is going to have a different effect that traditional weight training.   It's been showing that in less than a day of a hard training session the body refills muscle glycogen stores provided carbohydrates are available - after glycogen is full the body starts ramping up the amount of muscle glycogen that can be stored in the muscle - however this happens slowly - unless of course there is an abundance of glycogen synthase in the body...   Which is exactly what your training will do.  Not only this but the GPP your doing is designed to increase muscle permeability to glucose and insulin sensitivity...  Additionally, the inflammatory response cycle to your training will add some non-adipose weight to your body. 

The good thing about all this is that your not gonna gain 20 lbs like this.  You will however rapidly increase work capacity (which will pay dividends) and experience greater weight fluctuations because of the larger limit of glycogen in the muscle.   I think some of the strongest evidence for this comes from how quickly it's lost - after knee surgery you often see athletes who lose 10-20 lbs in a month and their muscle tonus looks non-existent.   The fact that they get their size and strength back quickly suggests that's it's not that they are losing and gaining muscle tissue but that the layoff caused some quicker adaption - glycogen storage capacity.

I think the best way to be think of this adaption is to think of the concept of "newbie" gains.  If we divide the "newbie" gains into three categories we can consider the following quick gains. 

1) Limit strength.  Athletes who have never done bench press might add 50lbs in a month to their lift.  This neural adaption doesn't involve the building of tissue but will improve tonus (which may appear as tissue).  Once they get stuck and need to add tissue to add strength you will observe a plateau that 95% of the gym going population never makes it past.

2) Endurance.  If you start long distance running you will massively increase your V02 max.  This initial adaption is all peripheral (brain, lungs, etc) and will result in some water loss but will cause a plateau that requires that loss of fat or muscular adaptation.

3) Speed/Strength endurance (GPP).  These newbie gains are the only ones to cause a massive increase in weight.   The gains are quick.  You will notice that what you thought was an absolute nightmare will become easy in a few weeks.  These are the gains crossfitters live for.  The problem is the stimulus from this type of training is good but not great for building limit strength or top speed.   Best to train like this to increase work capacity and strength as long as it works and THEN transition to training more specific for strength/speed.

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As for what you should do...   IMO advice like "throw away the scale" never makes sense unless the athlete is already lean.  If your not lean (eg 20lbs over your desired weight) then by all means keep the daily weigh-ins.  Sure you might freak out as you get a larger fluctuation and dial back on calories more than necessary --- but the fatter you are the harder it is to dial back TOO much.   If your aiming for a 500 calorie deficit and freak out after a weigh in and up it to a 1000 calorie deficit for a few days... Ok your training might suffer slightly.  But you will lose fat a bit faster which is the primary need for an athlete that much heavier than his ideal weight. 

In your case I don't really have any frame of reference for how fat you are.  You don't have pics online?   From your posts it seems you are not lean enough but not that fat which is kind of nebulous.   Probably wouldn't do that much harm to cut back on cals then even if it's just an overreaction to fluctuation.  If you really want to avoid seeing these fluctuations you can cut back on carbs a bit to keep them in check.  Additionally one piece of advice I would give you and everyone on this forum who is interested in body composition is this: buy a decent set of bodyfat calipers- they are cheap.  It will drastically improve what you are trying to achieve with your waist measurement.   Don't even use the skinfold formula to attempt to calculate bodyfat.  Just grab four to five locations - side, upper arm, back if your partner is willing, chest, thigh, etc.   Measure each and the sum of the measurements weekly.  If these numbers creep up then you are getting fat.  If they are going down then your leaning out. 


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: February 01, 2016, 04:33:58 pm »
adarq if you run 1:05 half then you qualify for the next olympic trials. just sayin.

http://fittish.deadspin.com/olympic-marathon-trials-the-victory-lap-for-pretty-dar-1755043759

Crazy that that is considered a pedestrian standard for some... sub 5 minutes miles for 13 in a row...   im not even confident I can break 6 for a mile. 

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: February 01, 2016, 07:34:21 am »
Great points about hidden oil/butter. But I do count it.
It has to be TDEE. 2000 feels too low though.
Well, we will see how it goes this week. Try-catch never loses ;)

Or it could be your training...

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too close to give up on goal now. being a generally better athlete can wait.

and yes, you're right, no more dodgeball dunks. need lobs.

so with that in mind, what do you think? run another peaking block? it worked really freaking well the first time.

It wont work as well the second time.  But it will work.  We can squeeze out another inch. Ill email ya.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 31, 2016, 08:10:26 am »
Ok.... if you read my journal you will see some posts about measuring vertical based on rims/backboard/square heights...  my hughest measured jump measured relative to the square is 42" while Ive never gone over 40" w a vertec but I attribute this less to rim discrepancy and more to jumping surfaces and familiarity...

That said... some of the rims at venice beach are low... very mow.  Like 9.9".   In general (in the states at least) you cant trust the height of outdoor rims but indoor rims are consistent...

When are you coming to the states?  Where are you going? I am a member 9f just about every gym so if you come to socalnwe can get some training in..

I agree that you probably jump more than 27" in your videos, i would say you jump aroung 30"... 

77kg is 170... more than light enough... glad we compromised 😀

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 31, 2016, 07:57:33 am »
 I wouldnr make that swap.. i was gonna recommend  barbell lunges as an "am rap" finisher if you really a glutton for punishmrnt..  but no way as a replacement for bss...

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Saw your email, ill try and get back to you - but a little unsure of your goals...  the block was a modified peaking block... are you satisified w the results and want to return to the long term goal of becoming a better athlete or are you not quite satisfied and want to basically try and draw this out and peak harder so you can dunk a basketball?  The goals are pretty different...

Additionally if your asking me to write you another peaking  program for free you are gonna have to meet me halfway but actually putting in a lot of practice practicing catching alley oops instead of dodgeball dunks! I dont care if you have to beg a friend or pay a guy off the street to lob the ball up near the rim...  your gonna need practice.  Imo you have the jumping ability to do it already but if your goal is to have a training block to squeeze out another inch or two to make it even more likely... i can help you - but your gonna need some reps trying to dunk to acheive your goal...

why not have emailed him back all this lol

Good point.  Didnt need to be shared w forum.  I apologize.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: January 30, 2016, 05:44:48 pm »
Wow. Very interesting convo.  Im on my phone in between training clients so i cant add much now... but this is a cool topic.  Ill just say a few things...

1) trying to change knee bend consciously will not work for you in the short term.  That is if you test again trying for knee bend you will jump lower.  This is true for all but extreme beginners.  You have skill in your current movement pattern... LBSS is right that you could possibly fool w it and practice a lot and get gains over a longer time scale.  This may work but isnt necessary... there is an article about andrew wiggins who has a 40 inch SVJ w zero knee bend - so there is more than one way to skin this cat...

2) Vag is right about hangtime calculators.  In general these underestimate.  But also realize we all have exaggerated verticals...  Even if you measure reach by fully dislocating shoulder  (which isnt how they test in the nba) your dynamic reach in the air can allow you to stretch an extra inch or two... so even if you only raise your center of mass by 30 inches you can reach 31 or 32 with a full dynamic stretch of the arm.  This is legit because you ARE reaching 32" inches above your standing reach... which is all that matters. 

Additionally I dont understand why people use hangtime from a full jump for video estimates... your just adding error by doing the whole jump rather than the fall...  an easy estimate can be done by either counting frames or just downloading v1golf or another app that adds timing to the video.  Simply do this.  Film a jump where you try to touch a max height target.  Go to the frame where you are highest (touching the target) now time the distance it takes for your butt to go back down to its resting height.  Now take the time and multiply it like so: t×t×4.9.  Thats your height in meters. 

Ps. Basically a .5 second fall is a 48 inch jump.  A 0.4 second fall is a 30 inch jump.  Your somewhere between those two.

Pps. IMO the jump you posted looks better than 30. I dont know about 35 but i would say your estimate seems like an underestimate.  Def not an overestimate.


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Saw your email, ill try and get back to you - but a little unsure of your goals...  the block was a modified peaking block... are you satisified w the results and want to return to the long term goal of becoming a better athlete or are you not quite satisfied and want to basically try and draw this out and peak harder so you can dunk a basketball?  The goals are pretty different...

Additionally if your asking me to write you another peaking  program for free you are gonna have to meet me halfway but actually putting in a lot of practice practicing catching alley oops instead of dodgeball dunks! I dont care if you have to beg a friend or pay a guy off the street to lob the ball up near the rim...  your gonna need practice.  Imo you have the jumping ability to do it already but if your goal is to have a training block to squeeze out another inch or two to make it even more likely... i can help you - but your gonna need some reps trying to dunk to acheive your goal...

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 30, 2016, 04:52:27 pm »
Reality check time. I measured and what I thought was a mid 30s PR jump is actually a legit PR of ....... 27.5". So when i've been going on about 40" i am actually below 30". That kinda sucks. I have work to do. I should probably just do that cut to 70kg but i'm not sure it's a good idea to do it in one hit. Maybe i'll get sub 75kg first and maintain that and then later down the track go 75->69kg or whatever. Do i even care bout my vertical that much? I dont think so lol. Maybe i should do it just to see what it is like being in single digit bodyfat range .. then do small bulks around there not getting too fat again.

That doesnt suck.  If your dunking w a 27" jump your reach must be pretty impressive, like at least 8'4" or so...  Only jumping 27" inches means that you can realistically jump 10-12"" higher w training, imagine the dunks you will be able to do?  If your jump was 36" now it would be a lot less likely that you add a foot of jump height...  finding weaknesses is always a positive when your goal is improvement! 

Your like 6'4"?  Your goal is to cut to 69kg??  Thats 150lbs!  6'4" 150 is extremely skinny - even by high jumper standards thats way too light...

Im a lot closer to agreememt with a lot of the stuff you do as far as bw manipulation when compared to the other posters...  i dont have a problem with frequent weigh ins and your monitoring of bodyweight... but this is something your taking too far...

You should take your 27 inch jump into account here... you keep losing bw to jump - you think it works.  But considering that your only jumping 27 inches should be evidence that your weak.  Cutting bodyweight will work if your weak - weak people are not powerful at 200 or 170...  but if you want to make major changes your gonna have to get strong and powerful rather than be the lightest weakling around...

Additionally if you want to get to single digit bf.... dont cut to 150.  Thats the hardest way to do it.  At 150 legit single digit bodyfat requires you to have about 10-15 pounds of total fat...  Good luck w leptin when you go that low.  If you dont have great genes for leanness your body is not gonna give up what is semi essential bf until your really weak...

Or you can be closer to 200 where you can carry a healtheir amount of bf and still be single digits...  i am able to stay single digit year round simply because i have some muscle not because i have extremely low levels of bf...

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I just think sprinting in a straight line is fairly simple...the person with the best power/weight ratio with sufficient technique and body levers will win 99% of the time.

This is very far from the truth at the level your running.  I dont know what the standards are in Australia but if your on the pro circuit and people are running near 10.0 it has very little to do with power/weight ratios. 

That statement is very true for slower athletes, power to weight ratio is the main reason why one guy runs 13.0 and the other 12.0.  But it has essentially zero to do with why one guy runs 10.5 and the other 10.0.  Theres a litany of research proving this and my anecdotal experience backs it up. 

Additionally the straight line run actually makes your statement more false!  Power to weight ratios are going to be more important* in the 200m and 400m then the 100m!

*still not of primary importance at high levels, but if you wanted a race where power/weight is least important it would probably be the 150m straight...

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