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Quote from: Ineedtodunk on April 24, 2011, 12:04:42 am

I'm asking advice on how to successfully get leaner/lighter, you provided no advice on that, so I don't get what advice I should be taking... and lance has not posted anything here idiot.

Why can't I compare myself to nba players? I'm not comparing skills... 

Either way I'm just using them as an example.  A lot of players, if they put on significant more weight from muscle mass, they are more at risk of injury, and will become less mobile/agile/athletic...

People do have optimal weights they would perform best at

Take care of OSD first. You can't even think about jumping high until you've fixed that.

Simply running a calorie deficit works ok if your body fat is reasonably high and you just want to get leaner and lighter and don't care too much about maintaining as much mass and maximum strength as possible. Strength work to maintain strength and increase protein retention and extra conditioning work to burn a few more calories and get in shape for bball along with running a ~500 calorie deficit a day and keeping your protein/carb/fat ratios alright will be much better for performance.

A huge drop in calorie intake, even if you drop your expenditure considerably, tends to not work well for a lot of athletes.

You still need to sort your knee before you should worry about that though.

Strength training makes you more resistant to injury, not less, and there's no reason to become less mobile,agile and athletic unless your training wrong. Really, getting stronger should make you more agile, faster and jump higher.

Forget about optimal weight while your still growing getting taller and filling out makes it a pointless worry. Optimal weight for adult athletes is mainly a function of focus on training between skill, strength and conditioning. For you optimal weight is what ever you gain while doing a little bit of strength work, eating properly and playing and conditioning for your sport.

If you're knee can't handle being 150lbs it won't be able to handle jumping a couple of inches higher at 145lbs. Get your knee sorted. Back off anything intense, keep moving with light shootarounds etc and ice and ibuprofen, what ever your PT/doc says and then strength, mobility and activation work.

Some interesting points...

Howeverr about the getting less athletic thing, you read wrong, I said a lot of people will go trhu that with too much MASS gains,not strength.

Also I'm 21, turning 22 soon.  I grew and filled out my body since my hs days. I just happen to have osd still

If your optimal weight is 145lbs?.

Maintain 145lbs.

Simples. Keep hittin' the scales daily.

Knee soreness?. Give road cycling/mountain biking a try, as it's non-impact on your knee joints. Start out very low intensity, gradually increasing the resistance/tolerance.

"You want to drop to 145, then go back to being able to eat whatever I want as much as I want without gaining weight, staying at 145.  How do I do this"?.

Increase energy expenditure/do more activity.


This is what 5-8000 calories a day does for you when your in the saddle 5-8hours.






You turn into a walking furnace baybe.

Jeez that picture.. lol

Eat fewer calories.

Don't turn it into rocket science.

I don't think it's THAT simple.  I've tried just going about it like that, but I hit plateau's and put the weight back on quick and stuff.

Quote from: Ineedtodunk on April 21, 2011, 03:00:24 am

I said it looks completely fine, pain was still the same, so I tried giving it a thorough massage today.  It ended up swelling up lol....

Has the swelling gone away? And how's the pain now?

Swelling went down and pain went down.  Hopefully it's 100% by Sunday for my game

so I have a faster metabolism than the average person.  I lift weights 3-5x a week and play ball 3-4x a week.   I used to eat whatever the hell I wanted, whenever I wanted (fast food everyday) easily over 3000 calories a day.  This routine kept my weight at maintenance.

I dieted twice before and both times I kept the same exercise routine, ate healthier, and limited calories to 1600-1800 a day.  After a week I would drop like three pounds, then one pound a week for like two more weeksa and then I would plateau and just stop my diet.  I go back to my normal eating habits and put the weight back on real quick, like 1-2 weeks.

Was 1600-1800 calories TOO little?

Right now I am about 13%BF, 150lb and wish to drop 5 more lbs, while building a lil muscle.  I lost 2 lbs so far, since my diet I started last week.  This time I'm eating cleaner, and eating 2000-2400 calories a day while getting about 150g of protein a day (sometimes a lil less) and taking fish oil supplements.  I usually eat stuff like turkey/cheese sandwiches, subway, roasted chicken (no skin), pb&j, fruit/veggie juices, and bananas.

Am I dieting the right way this time?  I want to drop to 145, then go back to being able to eat whatever I want as much as I want without gaining weight, staying at 145.  How do I do this?

BTW, my natural bodyweight is about 140, which is where I always was before I started lifting and bulking up last year.  To bulk, I had to eat like a monster, forcing myself to eat when I didn't even want to.  Whenever in my life I just ate however much I wanted of whatever I wanted, I would always be at maintenance, except when I came off those two diets.

nice shit.  When you gonna hit that 225x50? And it'd be cool to see you try and hit your head on backboard again, time it right and you should be banging the top of your head on it lol.  Anyways good stuff

Quote from: Ineedtodunk on April 20, 2011, 04:17:18 pm

Quote from: Girljordan on April 20, 2011, 12:24:52 pm

This arguement is soo... Stupid!! I don't know a lot about lifting weights but I do know basketball. It all depends on the match up and skill level.  If someones not basketball smart and doesnt know how to use there strength on the court it's not going to do them any good, and even if the do know how to use there strength, and the other persons more skilled and has a higher basketball iq, then they find ways to stop the stronger person. I'm 6'0" my husbands the same height, same reach. I weight 130lbs on a good day, he weights 222lbs and I murder him in basketball. He backs me down every time, but I must say my lower body strength helps in when he's  backing me down. He's stronger, way bigger, but I'm just more skilled, and jump higher. When he backs me down. I sometimes let him go by me just to block his shot, I can't stop him from backing me down but being that I'm a ball player and he's just a big man who plays ball. I have the advantage! He's stronger, I'm more skilled, but if I was as strong as him with the skills I have, I'd really be a beast. So the moral of the story is Kevin derant would whip shaq in a game of 1 on 1.  but if you gave derant shaq's strength he'd be like lebron, but I'd bet lebron would be Kevin because he's stronger and he's skilled. So if your skilled already that strength is only going to turn you into more of a beast. In a match up situation like skill over strength it sometimes come down to who gets the most touches. If neither one of you can stop the other when playing defense, then who ever can keep the ball in there hand the most wins. SIMPLE MATHMATICAL PROGRESSION  

I know that's not the question you asked, just getting stronger period using bench press, ohp, squats, ... Etc  then go out and do basketball exercises like rim touches and passes with the weight/medicine ball. Defensive slides with resistance band. Stuff like that, just come up with your own exercises and use weights and resistance when doing them, using basketball movements.
MAKE SENSE TO ME  

It's Kevin Durant, and giving him Lebron's strength will not make him up to par with Lebron, he will need the mass too.  Regardless, the point you're trying to make about you and your husband , and Lebron/Durant/Shaq is very poor.
And yes, you are completely missing the point of the two people who were productively arguing and the point of my topic in general.

How is my point very poor??
And what was the point of the argument, because this is what I read.
"Obviously for lower body, squatting is most essential.

But for Upper body I've been doing Bench Press and Pull Ups to target my chest/back/arms.  Are there other exercises you guys know that can replace Bench pressing or Pull Ups that will carryover to basketball better"
I'm just asking, are there better basketball carryover exercises
And my answer was:
I know that's not the question you asked, just getting stronger period using bench press, ohp, squats, ... Etc  then go out and do basketball exercises like rim touches and passes with the weight/medicine ball. Defensive slides with resistance band. Stuff like that, just come up with your own exercises and use weights and resistance when doing them, using basketball movements.
MAKE SENSE TO ME kinda like what Joe Joe said.  

Then I read:


 
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Ok I take it back, you understood what I'm asking and provided a good answer.

IMO you are just proving your point poorly with your example of you and your husband and the NBA players, but that's not important, nor do I care.  Thanks for the answer though.

I see, so since my goal is to jump higher, I should utilize reactive jump squats.

Should I be doing them in the manner as it is down in the video? The 1-2 Jump squat?

And what rep/set schemes should be used for these?