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Quote from: maxent on April 13, 2019, 01:45:33 am

Do you see the problem with that though? In a clinical setting i'm not going to exhibit any symptoms. You telling me if James Harden walked into his primary care physician office and said yo i need treatment he'd get it? Doc will take one look at you and say you're in good shape and healthy and you should get going.

you serious? how do you think doctors diagnose asthma? guessing?

also, the eye doctor example some anti-vaxxer logic. went to eye doctor, eyes changed from time to time per administered tests, stopped going to doctor, eyes stabilized per your own perception, ergo not going to doctor stabilizes eyes. of course! it makes perfect sense. or perhaps your eyes stabilized because that's what happens when people get older. or perhaps they have gotten worse but because it's happened gradually and only slightly over time you don't perceive it.

i swear antivaxxer is the new nazi germany in internet arguments? im aware that eyesight stabilises with age. However, both of my siblings continued to go the optometrist and kept getting hte numbers increased over time. I chose not to because the last time i was given a new script, i got a pair of glasses made and they were giving me headaches. I went back and returned them and ordered glasses online according to my old numbers and i was happy. Been happy since, eyesight is as good as i can remember it being. Yea if at any stage in those years i went to get checked i bet my numbers would be different. But if you keep changing them then you keep changing them. I'll stop short of calling it a scam but it surely is that in some sense.

Also we're talking about something OTC. It's not necessary to have a script to get an inhaler here. I also dont see everyone using one at the rec leagues, it's not conferring any advantage to the majority of folk. Only those who need it wil benefit. Knowing doctors like i do, mine would hear my n=1 experiment and listen to it intently b/c it gives valuable info for making an informed decision. Its exactly like a test except i'd be taking the initiative because we don't really prescribe tests under stressful exercise readily. Ive never had one done yet, doctors don't see the need. That's just the way it will go, you're healthy, you're fine, don't worry about it. Next. They don't have the time to fully investigate any one patient, they prob can't even tell you your name 5 minutes after you leave the room and they don't have a chart handy. It's a system that requires doing your own homework to get the maximum benefit.

I mentioned James Harden cos he's an example of an elite basketball player who has a known history of asthma. I bet if he was to go to a doc they'd say he's HEALTHY AF and as far as the doctor goes, that's good enough to call next. They're not interested in solving problems outside of actual pathologies for the most part.

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Also have a read here you jackasses:

https://thorax.bmj.com/content/56/9/675

Effects of inhaled salbutamol in exercising non-asthmatic athletes

RESULTS Neither endurance time nor post-exercise bronchodilation were significantly different between the treatments. Metabolic parameters were affected by exercise but not by treatment.

CONCLUSIONS Inhaled salbutamol, even in a high dose, did not have a significant effect on endurance performance in non-asthmatic athletes, although the bronchodilating effect of the drug at the beginning of exercise may have improved respiratory adaptation. Our results do not preclude an ergogenic effect of β2 agonists given by other routes or for a longer period.

it literally only works for ppl with asthma and (see article below) not in a performance sense. simple test proposed here seems to have triggered your kneejerk reflex Anti PED response .. check your assumptions..

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Inhaled salbutamol does not affect athletic performance in asthmatic and non-asthmatic cyclists.

CONCLUSIONS:
The inhalation of salbutamol induced a significant increase in resting lung function in EVH+ and EVH- athletes but this improvement in lung function did not translate to improved exercise performance. Salbutamol had no discernible effect on key ventilatory and exercise parameters regardless of EVH challenge outcome.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24100289

So it doesn't even improve performance in asthmatic athletes.. so much for all this beat up

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To add to this i have a team mate who used to be treated for asthma when he was younger. He's now pretty fit and doesn't use any medication. But there is got to be a mechanism there for the treatment helping ppl overcome this long term. So the way LBBS has called it 'short-term' might not be the case. I've read James Harden used to use the inhaler during college games, but i dont remember hearing about it after he got into the NBA. there may be a mechanism there where ppl gradually adapt to better (read normal) lung function over time.

Do you see the problem with that though? In a clinical setting i'm not going to exhibit any symptoms. You telling me if James Harden walked into his primary care physician office and said yo i need treatment he'd get it? Doc will take one look at you and say you're in good shape and healthy and you should get going.

I don't disagree. I'm just trying to figure out what's wrong with me. If the inhaler has little benefit then i don't have to persue it any further. If it has massive benefit (to me) then it would suggest i could benefit from treatment. But from what i've read so far (just cursory googling) it has little benefit in terms of performance enhancement.

Bodyweight(AM): 85.9kg (13 March)
Diet compliance: 35/35 days
Daily Squat: 147/147 days 
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• Thinking rest the knees today and do a final hard training session sunday. Any suggestions on what to incorporate for tomr? Thinking a squat, a dunk and full court conditioning.

I dont really agree with that haha. Is steph curry now using contacts, athletic enhancement? Yea. is it a big change, nah. But for someone who can't see very well (like you and me) contacts are going to have more than a neglible difference. But if you gave everyone contacts they'd not benefit nearly as much as someone who needs them.

I think if i repeat the drill and get 6 reps (b/c i expect +1 rep from adaptation) that's my baseline. If using the inhaler takes me to 10-12 then i need to figure out why i'm getting such a large benefit compared to what most ppl would get, maybe +1-2 rep since they've reported it hasn't shown performance benefit in studies. Read that on wikipedia last night so i dont know much about it at all. For performance athletes in running sports where every ms counts, maybe that's enough to change the result but still fairly minor in the big scheme of things.

Bodyweight(AM): 86.2kg (12 March)
Diet compliance: 34/34 days
Daily Squat: 146/146 days 
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BS 6x120, 0Fx152.5, OHP 6x50 

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 Bball shooting/dunking 

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Notes:

• Yikes, finally failed a squat, first time since i joined this gym sometime last year!.
• Played a pickup game of 2v2 with some kids, i blocked the bigger taller kid a few times (they expected me to be slow and awful i spose?)- i was wearing my vest as well. Each time i blocked him one of the smaller kids would say 'no no no' in an indian accent. Casual racism is great. I didnt really care at the time, but in another universe i would taken my vest off and dunked on them, just wasn't that bothered. They complimented my game all the same, so it wasnt meanspirited but still bad form.
• Icing my knee just in case it gets swollen again. Have to be proactive about this stuff. Hopefully i have one more solid training  session (thinking sunday?) ahead.
• then i'm going to focus on R&R Mon-Thurs to peak up for the tournament which runs Fri-Sun. Really hope they have breakaway rims at the comp cos ive been spoilt AF lately with the nice breakaway rims we've got these days here in Perth, such a pleasure to dunk on.  I expect melbourne to have them too hopefully.

This is a thing. Throwing an oop is a skill .. ive had one PG i met for the first time who nailed it and it was refreshing. They make it seem so effortless in the NBA, makes me wonder what normal players are missing about throwing them.

Bodyweight(AM): 86.2kg (9 March)
Diet compliance: 1/11 days
Daily Squat: 141/141 days 
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• My R knee was swollen yesterday and today as well. Ive been trying to rest it but not sure what's bothered it