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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: March 31, 2016, 03:04:22 am »
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Your dedication is 10/10 but your planning of training and movement is 1/10.

Look at your goals...  You plan to hang around 160 for 4 months and then in 6 months get to 200lbs...  40 pounds of muscle in 6 months???  Are you kidding?

I dont know if it's unrealistic but i expect i can gain a couple of kilos of lean mass just by eating more food and carbs. Otherwise i'll aim for 1-1.5kg/month .. so 6-9kg in 6 months? It wont be all muscle even if i try to do it right but i dont mind dieting off a couple of kilos in the end .. though hopefully i wont have to .. haha.

You can get back some water and fst by eating a bit more... but why would your body build muscle?  But why are you focused on gaining weight/mass?  Your not a bodybuilder...  make your strength goals and achieve them.  You will probably gain some weight but no reason to attempt to.  Set your limit (say 200lbs) and make the goal to get as strong as you feel necessary while staying sub 205.  If you get to 204 or 185 it doesnt matter...

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: March 30, 2016, 03:38:45 pm »

As far as what's next...  It depends.  Offseason workouts apply to a wide range of athletes.  Think of yourself as a college level athlete who is finishing up offseason training.  What comes next after offseason training is far different for a 400m hurdler vs a 60m/100m guy or football guy.   Your saying that the weather is good so you can jump/run.   How much of this do you want to do?   Basically, what comes next in your weight training life is dependent on what comes next in your actual performance life.  Weight training is always an adjunct never the focus - but how far we put it to the side is dependent on the needs of the athlete.  It will be less demanding for sure but for me to decide how much less demanding I need to know what you plan to do and what you want to do.   What I mean is maybe you plan to play in an outdoor soccer leauge 2x per week.  Maybe you want to run 400m in under a minute for the first time in your life.  Maybe you want to run 100m under 12 seconds.  Etc.   So, given needs and desires we can plan the next step.  But go for 12 weeks if for no other reason than it gives me time to get my online training algorithm done and prepare better.

I would like to do the obvious adarq.org member thing , peak my vert at the end of the road. Both SVJ, dropstep and RVJ. What i was really asking is how do i transition, i would imagine i would not switch straight to peak after this GPP, but do a transitioning phase where i 'harvest' the gains. Hope it makes sense? No rush though, i want to peak at late June - early July so plenty of time till then. I will keep doing this GPP till week 12, trying to push the weights up some more and see what happens.

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Obviously you want to peak your vert but is that really it?  KF style, where you don't play basketball at all?  Obviously a high vert is important for you but what I mean for designing the transition is not just your measurable goals but your athletic demands that you will be placing on yourself...  For example playing pickup basketball...  How often is that?  Is it going to increase?  Do you have other athletic goals that involve outdoors, running fast, moving better, etc?   Your program (I'm assuming) should be tailored for your demands as well as your carryover.  I am assuming that quitting playing basketball or doing any movement besides jumps would be disappointing to you, you don't want to be someone who increases their vertical by a few inches but can no longer jump during a basketball game...

A list of your demands that you place upon yourself is the first step to designing the transition.   You can leave out "life" stuff like hiking with your girl or going on a ski trip but include anything you do on a regular basis that can effect training or where you want improvement...

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: March 30, 2016, 03:31:02 pm »
Your dedication is 10/10 but your planning of training and movement is 1/10.

Look at your goals...  You plan to hang around 160 for 4 months and then in 6 months get to 200lbs...  40 pounds of muscle in 6 months???  Are you kidding?

I get so many people asking similar questions as you - eg They are timid, weak, slow and soft and want to no longer be.   The truth is even if you get a 45 inch vertical and a 2.5 bw squat you will still be slow and soft on the basketball court because you lack movement efficiency.  Settle in a comfortable weight for you right now, you should feel better about this because of your recent experience jumping at a higher bodyweight...  It's probably around 175lbs and then make and conquer your movement efficiency goals and you will be a good athlete.   Your going to have to get faster and learn how to be an athlete and some of this unfortunately requires improvement in measures that don't come in the weight room or with a tape measure... 

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Party's Over!
« on: March 30, 2016, 09:03:25 am »
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Gonna be 4 days of getting wasted, which is not much of a change from my usual weekends anyway.

I thought we were past that ;) But enjoy your weekend! I'll probably also end up getting wasted tomorrow  :uhhhfacepalm:

Haha. The difference is now instead of getting wasted every other day I leave drinking to the weekends  ;D

I'm back home now but the wedding was pretty much 3 days of heavy drinking. My friend plays soccer with a bunch of Irishman and I was impressed with the amount of booze they demolished- most of them actually put me to shame but I guess they are Irish after all  :P

Why I could never make it as a rugby player.. The sport seemed to have many attributes like strength, speed, and skill.  But then there is also this intrateam and postgame value that shouldnt be overlooked called "how much alcohol can you perform in one night."   I had some friends who played and there "improvement" in drinking was astonishing... I could never keep up as I have never had high tolerance to any drugs really. 

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: March 22, 2016, 01:50:15 pm »
T0ddday , are you still around?
How do i finish this program? Also, when?  It's been 9 weeks / 22 workouts so far, should i terminate or go on for a few more weeks, like 12?
Why terminate : Weather has gotten significantly better now and it will keep improving, i can go out and run/jump. So i don't need to kill 2 birds with one stone. Also it is destroying my performance, legs are always dead.
Why not : I do like it a lot, and i just got back into progressing it the past few weeks, so maybe it is the worst part to abandon it. Also I don't really care about performance currently, building more solid base for later peak seems far more important.
So what do i do, how do i judge?

I'm alive just busy and need to get back to LBSS right now as he is in a crucial point!   For you I would say go to 12 weeks because your making progress and a 12 week summer offseason is standard.  If you can hit your true PRS on squat we are golden, how far are you from there?

As far as what's next...  It depends.  Offseason workouts apply to a wide range of athletes.  Think of yourself as a college level athlete who is finishing up offseason training.  What comes next after offseason training is far different for a 400m hurdler vs a 60m/100m guy or football guy.   Your saying that the weather is good so you can jump/run.   How much of this do you want to do?   Basically, what comes next in your weight training life is dependent on what comes next in your actual performance life.  Weight training is always an adjunct never the focus - but how far we put it to the side is dependent on the needs of the athlete.  It will be less demanding for sure but for me to decide how much less demanding I need to know what you plan to do and what you want to do.   What I mean is maybe you plan to play in an outdoor soccer leauge 2x per week.  Maybe you want to run 400m in under a minute for the first time in your life.  Maybe you want to run 100m under 12 seconds.  Etc.   So, given needs and desires we can plan the next step.  But go for 12 weeks if for no other reason than it gives me time to get my online training algorithm done and prepare better.

Full disclosure, I have an online training site where we train pro and college athletes and some amateurs.  Though I think ADARQ should be paid handsomely for his work I respect that he wants to keep his site free so when I open up my online services I'll make things free to posting ADARQ members and it will just be another resource for you guys to get articles and training ideas (and to help me test!).  If he reads this and has a problem with me even mentioning what I am doing I won't talk about it again... 

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: March 10, 2016, 09:30:02 pm »
Anterior tibial soreness not from deceleration!
Suicides are stupid.
I know why you have trouble in game dunking.
I will add more later (remind me if i forget).
Very excited by your progress.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: March 09, 2016, 06:03:30 pm »
Once you let your body go concave (the opposite bend of waist that you are trying to avoid) your putting load on low back and wont be able to get back up.  Negatives are ok, personally i prefer the on floor rather than bench with arms on a ladder or a bar above the head so your much more vertical.   Just go down as far as you can to go back up.  I look at dragon flags as more of a test than an exercise.  Would rather the bulk of training come from heavy leg lifts or crunches.  If you can knock out straight leg lifts on slant bench w a 30-50lb dumbell your abs are strong imo. 

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: March 08, 2016, 04:49:48 pm »
I'm 5lbs heavier than I usually am (197 vs 192) but also, my upper body has definitely gotten bigger. In the vid I just posted, the clothes make me look kinda fat or saggy skin or something around the midsection lol. Pear-shaped. The low angle doesn't help. Still have a six pack btw. Not as defined as I could be, but that's only a short 5lbs cut away to be turning heads with it.

Lol. Same body type.  Fat guy six pack.  Im just you plus 20lbs and minus a few inches.  Do envy your squat form though.... mine was a lil worse to say the least.  What happens when you fatigue...

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yosemite is definitely a bucket-list place. never been.

I am by no means an outdoors person or someone who enjoys camping... and yosemite is one of the coolest places I have ever seen.  By far. 

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: March 05, 2016, 03:00:44 pm »
Wow.... standing dunk.  I dont understand it.  I can do all the other dunks.  I caught oops w 40lbs vest and belt added (be 250)... took it off...  i am still a good 6 inches from standing dunk.  I do not understand how you make that look easy..  i swear its impossible!

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I've trained with a lot of dunkers that can do BTL pretty easily...  I trained with one that can jump 50'' but can do BTL very easily off a lob - he is jumping no more than 40'' when he does it... BUT he is a RL jumper which I think really changes it.  There is a huge skill component to BTL - I doubt I could do it on an 8-foot hoop and I have the ability to get 36'' above the 8 foot rim which should make things easy...  For a LRR jumper a reverse BTL might almost be easier... I don't think your vertical is going to limit you - but I don't think it will be easy if you haven't been practicing.  Could even start practicing it left handed.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: March 03, 2016, 09:17:36 am »
He obviously has good genetics for the SVJ. I understand your point though, but I was merely complementing him--not putting myself down in any way.

IMO what seems like a complement is backhanded belittling.  Complementing someone while mentioning their genetics is implicitly suggesting that their results are less a result of their training/hardwork and attributing it to their genetic advantage.  As a mixed-race track and field athlete I heard this all the time...  I would run a fast time, people would be impressed, and then ask "what are you?".   I cannot tell you the amount of crestfallen white people who would say "oh.... ok well impressive but THATS why".   This defeatist idea of racial speed superiority is IMO why almost every fast white american sprinter I have come across is a natural - because if they were not fast to begin with racial stereotypes got in the way of their self-belief to develop speed... 

I am a geneticist.  It's what I do.  I am not claiming that genetic variation doesn't play a part in our performance - but I am saying that suggesting that we have absolutely no way of knowing the component it plays in any individual and it's a waste of time to make such claims. 

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I was not belittling my own genetics, but clearly having a 40" SVJ is something most people cannot accomplish through hard work.

Sorry, I'm not going to agree with something that you state "clearly" but have absolutely no way of knowing.  Consider what kingfish has done and consider what evidence you have for your claim.  When I see a longitudinal study that takes a large group of healthy 25 year old men and subjects them to almost daily heavy pause squatting, an almost flawless diet, daily heavy back extensions, mobility work, and positive belief that it is possible (basically the kingfish protocol) for five years and tests their vertical THEN we can make claims about whether or not a 40'' SVJ is something most people cannot accomplish through hard work.   Until then we do not know whether this statement is true.  CLEARLY a 40'' SVJ is something that some people cannot accomplish through hard work.  The question is how large is this group?  If we take 100 subjects will 20 of them accomplish it?  Will 40?  60?  I do not know and neither do you.  I will admit that because I train athletes and believe that the mind and belief are an extremely large component of your performance ceiling that if I had to guess how many athletes could achieve it I personally would err on the side of overestimating the percentage of people, but in truth we don't know and such a study is not likely to happen...

The study isn't likely to happen because it takes an extreme amount of work and dedication and it's a lot to ask of people.  In fact it's quite clear that KF's biggest advantage over the average trainee is not his genetics but his lifestyle.  He is lucky to have a job which has a gym and a squat rack and a schedule that affords him the ability to squat daily and be as focused as he has been.  He is lucky to earn enough money to satisfy his nutritional needs and not have to travel often for work so he can be focused.  Of course he still has to put in a ton of work.  And for that he deserves a lot of praise.

Really, for you the only question is what can you achieve if you put in the work?  Maybe only 5 out of 100 men would get a 40'' SVJ after 5 years of dedicated training...  Maybe 70 out of 100 would...  But all that matters is whether you are in that group of 5 or 70.  I don't know the size of the group or whether you are in the group that can achieve it.   BUT what I do believe is that even if you are not - the belief that you may be is paramount to your success - and it's not binary - failure has a few levels.  Maybe you believe 100% that a 40'' vertical is within your capabilities and put in the work that KF has.  Maybe your wrong and after five years you top out at 37'' or 38.5'' in the SVJ.  But that's not to shabby now is it?   But a not to shabby failure will only happen with the positive belief that you can achieve much more.  That's my two cents.










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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: March 03, 2016, 08:17:27 am »
Kingfish you indeed have FREAKISH genetics, but if you don't mind me asking, what were your starting SVJ numbers before you starting lifting? I just want to see what can be accomplished through hard work. Thanks!

If you can learn any single tip to help your athletic career it is to stop thinking like this completely.  End it.  Never again.  Obviously, KF can answer about KF better than I can but IMO he is primarily a testament to hardwork and more importantly to consistency. 

However even if he started w a standing VJ of 37" it is not evidence that you cant accomplish his current abilities through hardwork.  You dont know he has freakish genetics and statements about one person having superior genetics are silly.  You wont know what you can achieve unless you try.  And if you try whilst also setting conscious or unconscious limits on yourself you are not trying.  Give me five years.  Five years of consistent effort, mindfullness, and belief that you are completely capable of achieving the impossible.  After 5 years you can talk about your lack of genetics. 

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: February 27, 2016, 10:40:43 am »
Interesting stuff.  For the macros the others are on the right track.  Low carb diets may work best for weight loss, low carb gurus will tell you its because carbs are bad - it may just because dropping the nurtrient will least satiety is easiest, but for whatever reason they seem to work well for really fat people... 

Beyond that...  when we consider performance think of it like this:  in the short term the most imprtant macros are carbs, then protein,then fat.  In the long term its the other way around.  You can store protein in muscle and blood, a few days of zero protein are harmless... but zero carbs for two days in a row and any type of endurance work and you can forget your performance.  So for your macro graph the frazy spikes in protein and fat are fine...  but you could stabalize carbs better...

Finally.  I agree w Dreyth.  DONT DELOAD.  Cut volume, increase rest.  Increase weights.  Ill try and write you an example of how when i have more time. 

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: February 23, 2016, 08:43:31 pm »
I like to push the envelope, so I have tested as much as 16%....    Although I think percent is far less important than adaptation.  If you add a 5-10lb vest and cant jump within am inch or 2 of PR you have too much weight.

interesting statement. i have gotten within 1-2" of my PR for SVJ with a 10lb vest on, but i don't think i could get that close to my RVJ PR.

I might be being slightly too stringent but I think the point holds.  I should also say it's your daily PR not lifetime obviously...  So if you jump 40 and add the vest and get reduced to 33, it's probably not a good idea.  The return is easy to calculate - it's a minimum of BW+V / BW  * (Vested Jump).  I state that as the minimum because usually our movement efficiency and power actually go up when we remove the vest - but that's the calculation if it didn't.   Anyway, if  you are a 40 inch jumper weighing 200lbs doing a bunch of training with a 10lb vest and getting no higher than 35'' you may be sorely dissapointed when you take off the vest and don't find yourself going that high... 

Where your curve is depends on the individual.  I actually tried really loading up one day and found my jump going down linearly with weight at 15lbs, 20, 25 to 36'', 34'', 32'', etc....   Then when I tried 45bs....  My jump plummeted.  IMO better to load up and do squats or jump squats when your movement efficiency is that poor...  The disadvantage of the vest is obviously load...  The advantage is movement efficiency, when your jump no longer looks like a jump, there isn't much reason to do it.

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