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Quote from: Harvey on August 14, 2012, 05:09:11 am

Quote from: LanceSTS on August 13, 2012, 09:25:38 pm

Quote from: Harvey on August 13, 2012, 06:09:08 pm

If you're white, you'd be better off ignoring your upper body...

You were doing better for a while, training, and actually making decent posts.  why are you acting like an idiot fuck again harvey?

I'm trying to make a point. If you want to make it somewhere as a basketballer, your priority should be jumping above anything else physically.

you are a fucking moron. if you want to make it somewhere as a basketball player, your priority should be BECOMING A GREAT FUCKING BASKETBALL PLAYER.

for fuck's sake, that's not a difficult concept.

bullshit lbss, thats why all of the tfb dunk crew are making millions in the nba right now while that steve nash guy sits at home making youtube clips of his "fundamentals".
 

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXu1bknI0y8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXu1bknI0y8</a>

 Marty Gallagher

 thats fine Steven, I told you my opinion on it, and I cant make what Im trying to get across any more clear.  If you want to believe that no one drives their squat, deadlift, clean, (insert tons of athletic movements that should be glute and leg driven) using their lower back more than their glutes and LEGS, thats fine too.

 Im not the only coach thats said this OVER and OVER though, so Ill tell the rest of the guys their theory is ridiculous too.


 The good thing is Rips theory is always right though, since if you fail using his bullshit, you can just have him tell you that you didnt have the genetics to do it in the first place.  

  

So you admit that the LBBS is easier to progress but you would say that this progress does somehow not matter?

 It would definitely matter, depending on the goal though, it may not matter nearly as much as progressing another exercise.  If you wanted to improve your jerk, would you choose bench press as your primary, or the push press/press?

Why do you think the HBBS will elicit more glute activation? Look at the picture with the two squats I posted before. Would you not agree that even performed to this height the LBBS shows a similar amount of hip flexion as the HBBS? Does this not mean that the glutes extend over the same ROM but with more weight on the back and a bigger moment arm applied (provided that one squats HB with the bar over mid-foot)?

thats why I gave the depth disclaimer.  The glutes are working the hardest in the very bottom of the squat,  the longer lever arm of the high bar squat with the added depth will make the glutes work harder in this range of motion, and I dont agree that the glutes have to work very hard at any other point, they are at a leverage advantage after that, higher up in the range of motion.  Muscles work the hardest, in the stretch.

 This is my opinion, and my experience with both squat styles.  If you switch from low bar to high bar, one of the most common occurrences is extremely sore glutes, why do you think this is?

Please explain to me what it is that he does and when that occurs exactly. I do not see an abnormal amount of back movement in Rip's squat. Do you?

 Thats the thing, its not abnormal, for a low bar squat.  It is however not optimal if strengthening the LEGS , and driving the squat from the LEGS is the goal.  The squat of the bobsled athlete I linked, and your own squat are not "typical" low bar squats, and are much more useful for athletic training, in my opinion.

I also did not make the picture here however it was shown as an example with lumbar flexion, and I do not know how to undo the captions.  

Regarding my own squat: I am aware of my technical limitations, at least some of them. That is why my squat is not a good model to follow and why I have been working for a couple of weeks now to clean it up. Relaxing the hamstrings at the bottom of the movement resulting in the knees coming forward is the biggest issue in some heavy sets. I think I somewhat succeeded with last Friday's set of 491 x 5 to avoid doing that.

You do understand that I completely disagree with that right?  Everything that makes your squat different, than what Rip is saying need be done, is what makes it more transferable to athletic events outside of powerlifting.  If you lean over more, drive your hips up more, etc. etc., I would bet money you start getting less and less transfer out of your squat to your olympic lifts, and jumps.  

You apparently think Rip's low vertical, tested at some unknown point in time, is a function of his squat technique. You think that if he high-bar squatted 540 ATG he would have jumped higher?

YES.  I do not think he could squat NEAR 540 atg with a high bar position though, if he gained the LEG strength to do so, I most definitely think he would have jumped noticeably higher, and increased his horrid numbers on his olympic lifts.  Of course he would not jump "great" until he practiced it much much more, and the same with the lifts, but with that type of LEG strength at his weight, he would have increased those numbers most definitely.

I don't. Whatever the technique, the mechanisms that make progress happen in every strength exercise can be assumed to be the same. Muscles grow, bones grow, tissue adapts, the nervous system adapts and so on. If someone starts out to LBBS 150 and increases that to 600 than these adaptations took place and they are more or less the same adaptations that the progress from HBBSing 135 to 540 would have lead to.

 No.  If someone takes their rack pull from 300 to 400, the same adaptations that take place moving the clean pull from 300 to 400 DO NOT take place.  Not even close.

So if you are of the opinion that Rip's squat style is what lead to him only jumping 22 inches and snatching 82.5, then you would have to make a damn good argument how that is the case.

 No, I dont think he cared.  I still think he doesnt care, Steven, and he doesnt have any reason to.  He trains newb lifters and recreational lifters.  Asking him about olympic lifts and sports training is like asking your plumber how to fly an airplane.

 He does however have to take a very hard and fast stance on these things though, if he wants to continue the cultish type following he enjoys.

I see the difference in exercises and I disagree with your stance on their usefulness. Maybe I am not that smart after all.

the guy in the video has a 40+ inch svj, squats 550 or so, powercleans close to 400.   you have a ~37 inch vj, powerclean over 300.  

rippetoe squatted more that both of you, had an actual olympic lifter as a coach, power cleaned 275, and vj 22 inches.  You two have strong LEGS, he has a strong lower back.


correlation doesnt imply causation.  right.

  It would be a good idea if you get to a track that had a decent sprints program, and get the coach to help you out man.  There

is so much to running the hurdles that nothing I can really tell you in a short paragraph will do much good.  Watch good hurdlers,

get help from someone IN PERSON thats qualified to help you, and practice.



 I will tell you that statically, many of the hurdlers are not world beaters from a flexibility stand point. Dynamically, things change,

and this is the way you should spend the majority of your training time dedicated to mobility work.

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athlete article..

CTRL+F "squat"..

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Kingfish, as a squatturtle, I think you may also need to carefully read the following, again, read it over and over until it sinks in.







well first ppl don't like to have to incur the cost of emotional output, we avoid displaying emotion every opportunity we can, yet

we talk about, talk about it in a manner as if we let it occur on a regular basis. Ppl don't cry when a family member dies b/c well

they're not supposed to cry b/c they have to be tough, or its really the best thing, or you know any situation that arises with

stress, 'well i've got to handle this in this way', 'i can't do this', 'i'll take a vacation', 'i'll go away from the problem and then the

problem will go away'. Well you see training is really a problem, and its a series of problems, and if you don't participate

emotionally, and you're heart doesn't get involved, b/c all emotion stems from the heart, and I believe the heart is the real

brain, like most of the martial arts and they're derivatives believe, not that i was involved with the martials arts or anything, i

came to that conclusion on my own, of course i read it like everyone else did, and said 'hmm, interesting' and then i came to my

own conclusion, and i determined the same thing, i believe the heart is the real brain, if we think with our brain we have too

many problems, we're always a step behind, we don't allow this emotion to let things occur. In order to move at high velocity,

high load, and high volume, and to be able to do it over and over, you have to elicit very specific responses, well if i go to the

gym one day John, and I'm umm, doing as we do, an iso extreme lunge, and my father was mad at me if i'm a high school kid

or i got a bad grade in school, or the coach really ripped me today b/c i had a poor day, or on the other hand, my girlfriend said

she'd marry me, or i got a scholarship to a university, something great, then it completely alters what we do in the gym, if i

come in a bad mood, then thats the way i'm going to participate, i'm not going to ahve the right emotion or any emotion

elicited in order to create these high speed, high load, high volume conctractions, b/c without the exact same stimulus, applied

in the exact same manner, you can never duplicate the movement or the contraction or whatever you want to call it, over and

over and over, and its the series of doing things over and over and over, that really solidifies this information and the way its

transfered thru the nervous system to the brain, so that it can send information back based on what the response was of the

muscles of the organs of what we were trying to stimulate. So our iso extreme, greatest joint angle, challenge one to

participate emotionally. John i'm sure when you were doing it, you questioned what the heck am i doing here, and possibly

when you questioned that, you took a break, you took a break how? well you took a break from changing the picture,

changing the feeling of what the end is, and you were now focusing on this discomfort that you're feeling, but if we embrace

this discomfort that you're feeling, and we use it to elicit more emotion, to elicit a more powerful, more high velocity

contraction, we can take advantage of it and it tranfers to athletics,

Those guys could've said anything he would've agreed no matter how stupid.

yep. $$$