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800m+ Running and/or Conditioning / Re: Running Stats & Stuff
« on: January 09, 2019, 01:12:51 pm »
oooh.. some ultra stats.

https://ultrarunning.com/featured/ultrarunning-magazine-all-time-lists/

50 miles in under 5h etc.. damn!

the 24-hour world best is fucked up. translates to 4:46/7:40 pace; assuming the guy took some breaks then his average moving pace was faster than that. for 24 hours.

yup. these folks are insane.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: January 09, 2019, 01:11:31 pm »
easily one of the great moments in adarq.org history.

thanks man!! since you said it, i'll agree with you :D

 :ibrunning: :ibrunning: :ibrunning:

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and, i told you so.  ;D

yup.. you did. many times. several years ago. even perhaps when i was dunking too.

i've got that "ultra mindset" so, makes sense.

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:highfive: :highfive: :highfive: :highfive: :highfive:

 :highfive: :highfive: :highfive:

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ETA: a 3:30 marathon in the course of doing 42 miles is just incredible.

haha!! thanks!!

also that 3:28 is obviously submax, within 21 laps on the course, which means 21 "big hills" (ie, 6:00 min/mi pace up the hill would be like 8:00 min/mi pace @ 1m:30s up the hill etc, something like that).

i think it takes me like ~50-55s to sprint hard up the hill (from hill sprint sessions i've done there).

so like you said, definitely pretty cool. i'd love to do a "trail marathon" (on a fast trail).

:D :wowthatwasnutswtf: :ibrunning:

peace man!!!!!!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 09, 2019, 11:35:29 am »
i think you're making a mistake that a lot of people do, myself included, which is assuming too direct a correlation between two different data points. you think "basketball is played at 160-180 bpm, jogging gets me to 140 bpm, therefore maybe jogging isn't an optimal way to train for basketball." but jogging and basketball are different activities, and jogging can absolutely help build physical capacities that improve your ability to do specific training for and to play basketball. it's GPP. same as squatting: there isn't a 1:1 relationship between squatting and basketball ability, to claim one would be silly. but getting a bigger squat has carryover into speed and jumping and boxing people out. jogging has carryover into not getting winded as easily during gameplay.

^^ :highfive:

very well said.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 09, 2019, 11:34:27 am »
LBSS, quick recap:
1. i told him to play more full court basketball
2. he says he can't etc
3. he came up with some running stuff, which was basically 2x/day, but lots of hard running
4. i told him to do most of his runs slow/relaxed, not looking at pace, for ~30 minutes or so, then try to get 1-2 hard sessions in per week
5. he said running was making his squat feel amazing, best thing ever, feels so strong/good etc
6. treadmill vs road vs grass stuff
7. diminishing returns after 2 weeks, slow running isn't for him
8. slow running is dogma
9. he needs to feel like he can progress each workout etc, so running might not be for him
10. he'll stop short of calling it nonsensical
11. he says part of the fun is figuring it out for yourself, which i can identify with

i wrote the brief recap because i saw a devil's advocate comment. i forget exactly what, but it was related to pace etc.

i told him not to worry about the watch, pace, etc.. don't worry about how slow he looks compared to others.

tbh, i think he has problems going that slow because of "ego". maxent has made some comments which elude to that.

i run very slow, most often. even slower than old ladies, who can sometimes pass me. doesn't bother me one bit. so i'm definitely someone who has seen the benefits of running very slow/relaxed. thing is, for me it works best at ~45 minutes or so (and adds more benefit the longer i go). for maxent, it would probably work great at 30 minutes.

so, if he was enjoying his 2x/day running, or even every day running, he should be going hard 2x/week, with the rest of the sessions slow & relaxed .. occasionally throwing in some short strides or ending with them, if he wanted. that'd be my advice.

he wanted to go faster like every workout/week etc, but it just doesn't work that way with running.

i'll stop just short of calling it nonsensical tho.

nice. because calling something nonsensical, while not knowing much about the subject, would be well - nonsensical.

 :ninja: :uhhhfacepalm:

also you asked if it's mileage or duration .. i told you several times, it's duration! don't worry about miles.

every single one of my runs, i simply write "1 hour" , "2 hours", "3 hours", "30 min", "45 min" etc.. i don't even write the mileage.

if you write the mileage, it makes you run too fast.

running to improve general fitness is very simple. you've already overcomplicated it like crazy. i mean that's not good to do in itself, but to do it with this confidence of calling the time tested basics "nonsensical" and "dogma" is just ridiculous. when it comes to conditioning you're self admittedly clueless, so chill with those "attack words" lmao. you know alot more about lifting/diet etc .. but conditioning is a completely different paradigm, takes a long time to learn/master. it's not easy. and the hardest aspect to learn about it, is how simple it is, yet how hard it is to perform the simple basics. the basics are hard to perform because they are so simple. they aren't shiny or amazing.

bottom line.. to build a strong foundation, one needs to improve their work capacity specific to the total duration of efforts, and total duration per week, per month, per year. etc.

peace!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 08, 2019, 11:45:32 pm »
good point.

you should probably get an oxygen desaturation mask & hit the battle ropes hard for 3 x 30s.

if you want strong conditioning, you'll want to improve your aerobic base. there's plenty of ways to do that. running slow+long/frequently isn't the only way, but it's one of the best, easiest, and most effective. it's so easy that it's hard. people want to feel like they worked out hard, it's black magic that jogging for 1 hour real slow can improve your conditioning. but it's not black magic, it targets the heart, which responds very well to such long duration low stress activities -> every beat is a rep. the goal is to run easy (conversational) that the heart fills with as much blood as possible per beat, causing it to adapt to pump more blood per beat, at any exercise intensity.

plenty of "fit moms" & crossfit folks work out hard every day for example, but can't handle a game of basketball. training like that is easy.. :/

overanalysis can be a real problem. i'm all for you figuring it out tho.. so, find something that works & get results. but saying you've reached diminishing returns or something isn't for you, after only a few weeks .. plus saying you need to "see a progression" etc, is a little frustrating.

brb yelling at kingfish for not progressing his daily squatting to 800 lb by now..

i think he's a good example.. find something you can do daily, and just do it. don't switch shit up often, don't do all kinds of weird crazy cool shit, just pick a few things and do it daily, to perfection. if you can run hard daily, go for it. but most people can't.

in addition to that, normal "basketball people" play basketball daily, that's their daily squatting, or their daily running.

pc!

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Bios / Re: Animals
« on: January 08, 2019, 10:54:00 pm »

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: January 08, 2019, 10:51:08 pm »
light day.

01/08/2019

diet:
- ate ok/light



09:00 AM: light: 61 min ::: (grass, alt-sim, feel decent - no soreness / but a few aches)
- https://www.strava.com/activities/2064340655



08:30 PM: light + 1 moderate mile: 62 min @ {5 @ 8:XX-9:XX} + {1 mile @ 5:46 w/ kick, felt good} + {c/d} ::: (grass, felt decent, HR low, right hip/glute a little achy)
- https://www.strava.com/activities/2065721308
- https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/3284422579







---

footer stats:

top3 finishes:
2019: 1/2
2018: 30/45
2017: 6/12
2016: 4/10
2015: 0/2
2006: 0/1

sub5 mi's, sub3 1k's:
2019: 0, 0
2018: 12, 15
2017: 1, 1
2016: 0, 0
2015: 0, 0

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: January 08, 2019, 10:42:30 pm »
yesterday:

01/07/2018

ate good

how i feel:
- basically no soreness.
- quads barely sore.
- right lower back/glute/hip achy (the stuff i've been dealing with, made worse)

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: New year new me
« on: January 08, 2019, 10:33:09 pm »
Been enjoying my running a lot these days and probably going to sign up to the city 10k in April. I ran my first ever 10k on NYE (55m on pretty rough terrain). Aerobic fitness is probably my priority at the moment - I'm climbing mont blanc in June so that's a pretty important goal for me and offering some motivation.

NYE trail 10k.. sick.

what was up with that mt everest photo? u climb everest??? lol. :wowthatwasnutswtf:

also for your trail races etc, i remember you using some vibram-ish shoes. if so, i'd try to find some good xc flats. can really fly in those on rough terrain - way more than in vibrams.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 08, 2019, 10:22:24 pm »
good point.

you should probably get an oxygen desaturation mask & hit the battle ropes hard for 3 x 30s.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: January 08, 2019, 03:18:27 pm »
some very fast local dude, cracked me up. i mean i know every1 expected me to bonk, it was amusing during the race:

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It was a lot of fun.  But you were the surprise of the day.  I kept waiting for you to bonk and you just kept going.  That is a hell of a debut in ultrarunning.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: January 08, 2019, 08:47:43 am »
On a side note, I've had cold showers everyday about the last two weeks. I started it last year but never actually committed to it. Very easy to get started when it's 30+ degrees though haha. It's funny though the change in responses to the cold water. Even when it was super hot out the shower would be uncomfortably cold and I could only last small periods under the water. Had one yesterday when it was only about 18 degrees outside and I hung out under the cold water for a few minutes with no real level of discomfort. It didn't feel warm but it didn't feel cold either.

cold showers are really good. i do them often, but just moderately cold to finish off a hot shower.

i also do intense ones (hot to very cold) the days leading up to a mile race (or a very fast race). for some reason, it seems to help me with doing something "stupid", like going from a stand still to like 4:30 min/mi pace then trying to hold on to 4:5X pace etc. it's weird but i've noticed it helps. i think it helps temporarily (for a few days) destroy some inhibition. the places I think it helps:
- just starting an insane effort
- battling in a race
- kicking hard at the end of the race

because it's a similar feeling.. it's like, you don't want to do it, but you have to. so, you don't want to turn the knob to make it very cold, but you have to. then you don't want to step into that very cold water, but you force yourself to. and then on the flipside, if you can't actually commit to it, you're not ready to step it up in a race etc. that's something i've noticed, i think it's legit.

lol.

pc!

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The whole idea of 'easy running' seems to be fantasy. no part of running right now is easy, even warming up i just wanted to give it up 5 minutes in.\

Mate I can speak from experience here that it does in fact get easier. Not sure I ever got to the 'easy running' part but once I got past the first few minutes it got a whole lot easier.

Not sure if it gets easier but it gets managable but if your mindset is that 'this should be easy' then you'll be defeated even before you start. I think that's where im struggling with atm, cos if you go into a run thinking this will be the hardest thing then you can deal with almost anything running wise. But if you go into it expecting ease then you're not going to be prepared for it and it will be a slog. It's kind of how you frame it. When im squatting i expect every rep to be hard and it usually is that hard but you get it done. If i expected it to be ez then i'd never get thru it because it's not the right mental frame to complete the exercise

it's different with heart muscle (and capillary density). it responds well to very relaxed, low intensity, longer duration (30+ minutes) running.

45 minutes is my sweet spot for very light runs which still improve my aerobic capacity, without stressing me at all.

if you can walk at an easy pace, then you can run (albeit slowly) at an easy pace. for strong/elite runners, their slow pace looks very fast. that's why people get confused. an elite runner can jog 6:30 min/mi pace for example, at like absolutely no effort.

most running should be easy. the mistake most people make is not realizing how easy, easy, really is.

my preferred pace for most easy runs is 9:30-10:30 min/mi for 30-90 minutes. that's very slow.

if you take your squat mindset to running, then you are a sprinting, not running.. :D

I think i made some progress understanding wtf is going on with my schizophrenic running lately. This morning treadmill run, I start warming up at 6km/hr which is the lowest of the hotkey speed buttons that are not a walk (it goes 3, 6 then 9). So every 15s i increase the speed by 0.2-0.5km/hr .. usually only 0.2km/hr after teh getting up to around 7km/hr.  I take about 5 minutes to work up to 9.2km/hr which is a 6:30ish pace. And at 5 minutes in im like, yea this sucks, my right calf is complaining and ive got a crazy pump (on R leg mind you) and i just want to stop and quit running for good and say it's not for me. Mo farah's warmup sucks. Im prob better off going from zero to 10km/hr than this. tbh.

Around about 10 minutes if i stick around ive bumped the speed up to 10.2km/hr or so, now suddenly my form changes (im still not srue if form is now better or worse at slower speeds?) but running is easier the faster i go. So it almost seems like if im going anything below a speed my form is inefficient/unsustainable. Above that speed and im fine, i can run better/longer and now im tasking my cardiovascular system instead of my mental system.

It's almost as if i can do a long tempo at 10km/hr but trying to stay below that speed and it's torture. And of course it's a fine line because if i cross say 11km/hr now it's hard work but it feels more productive all the same. It's a struggle for me to maintain 12km/hr which is just a 5 minute pace. It's almost as if when i started doing these longer/easier runs i just got weaker (mentally) and im no longer challenging myself with hard runs but instead im torturing myself with slower runs. I think from here on it makes zero sense to do any more long/slow running. If what you say is true that longer runs build fitness better then i should just do that but not run, bike or row instead. I think that will suit me because because i can't seem to figure out the sweet spot of running slow enough without having form/mindset problems.

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I think that will suit me because because i can't seem to figure out the sweet spot of running slow enough without having form/mindset problems.

your subconscious is just designing ways for you to quit doing it.

if you have mindset problems going really slow, then that's the issue you need to work on right there.. the discipline to overcome a "mindset problem" while going super slow.

if you can walk without mindset problems, then you can run very slow without mindset problems.

running could be a great way for you to tame some of these things going on in your head. one of the most important aspects of endurance/conditioning is the ability to suppress quit signals, ignore them completely, or just deal with them.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 07, 2019, 11:42:26 pm »
damn squats already. nice!! :ibsquatting:

for hanging leg raises, those always wrecked me. maybe it's a sign i should have gotten better at them, but i dno they seem intense.

i definitely prefer controlled calisthenic stuff though for core.

sounds like a good plan for the 5k too.. plenty of cardio days until mid march, then sharpen up your fitness for the 5k (a bit more running, some specific intervals/repeats once a week etc).

and ya, keep it conservative for a good while.

good stuff!

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The whole idea of 'easy running' seems to be fantasy. no part of running right now is easy, even warming up i just wanted to give it up 5 minutes in.\

Mate I can speak from experience here that it does in fact get easier. Not sure I ever got to the 'easy running' part but once I got past the first few minutes it got a whole lot easier.

Not sure if it gets easier but it gets managable but if your mindset is that 'this should be easy' then you'll be defeated even before you start. I think that's where im struggling with atm, cos if you go into a run thinking this will be the hardest thing then you can deal with almost anything running wise. But if you go into it expecting ease then you're not going to be prepared for it and it will be a slog. It's kind of how you frame it. When im squatting i expect every rep to be hard and it usually is that hard but you get it done. If i expected it to be ez then i'd never get thru it because it's not the right mental frame to complete the exercise

it's different with heart muscle (and capillary density). it responds well to very relaxed, low intensity, longer duration (30+ minutes) running.

45 minutes is my sweet spot for very light runs which still improve my aerobic capacity, without stressing me at all.

if you can walk at an easy pace, then you can run (albeit slowly) at an easy pace. for strong/elite runners, their slow pace looks very fast. that's why people get confused. an elite runner can jog 6:30 min/mi pace for example, at like absolutely no effort.

most running should be easy. the mistake most people make is not realizing how easy, easy, really is.

my preferred pace for most easy runs is 9:30-10:30 min/mi for 30-90 minutes. that's very slow.

if you take your squat mindset to running, then you are a sprinting, not running.. :D

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