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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: 2019 Vert Comp
« on: January 11, 2019, 12:40:10 pm »
i'm also tempted, whenever i leave this country and am back in a place with basketball courts. wonder how much i've lost. presumably a lot.

#2019lostvertcomp, LBSS vs adarq???

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: 2019 Vert Comp
« on: January 11, 2019, 12:14:47 pm »
i'd love to be in.. but i think i'm out. lol. :ninja:

i love the idea of a 2019 vert comp thread tho. a competitive thread is a great. :headbang:

Mate I reckon a couple of sneaky jumps would see you do quite well...

tbh, i bet it would. that's what's crazy. all of this running has me feeling so springy/powerful. sometimes i jump up onto the curb and such, or over a small railing, or over that snake several months ago (lol), and i feel so good, almost dunk level. obviously don't have that peak power anymore, but running has definitely kept that spring going. getting some of that jump specific power back would just require actual jump sessions. would be cool to do long light runs with "strides" but instead, jumps. imagine slow quarter mile recovery laps with a L-SLRVJ every lap, going at a vertec (that sounds pretty fun lmao). all of this sounds kind of "steepler" ish.

for a while now, i've been interested in potentially jumping on grass.. :ninja: i wouldn't jump on hard courts anymore, or even indoor gyms. but i really do love springy grass. would be cool to buy a vertec and get some jumps in eventually. dragging it out there would suck tho. hah.

for now, i'll just spectate. 8)

:D :ibjumping:

#2019vertcomp !!

Just out of interests sake maybe do a few tests. Once a month or something. Just to see where you are?

ya i'd need to figure out a way to measure it properly, on grass (ie a real or turf football field, touches on the goal post etc).

need to think about it.

:D :ninja: :ibjumping: :ibrunning:

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 11, 2019, 12:11:00 pm »
A few things i wanted to put into a separate post. Cadence. Cadence. Cadence!

Forget running for a second. I have really terrible cadence even for walking, I realised tonight. And ive always marvelled watching pros playing in the NBA, why their feet move so quickly when they're just doing normal movements around hte court. Bad cadence it turns out (from what i've been reading) plays a huge part in injury causation and good cadence helps to prevent injury. Something about taking the load of the joints and putting it more on the muscular system. After my first bball session in 6 months or so last weekend i felt my body was beaten up pretty good. Not as bad as it used to be in the past on the first game back mind you but still very noticeably.

But putting one and two together .. when playing pickup tonight i focused on cadence and just moving my feet quicker. They say you should think high knees .. and it felt comical at first but i could see it working.. i took my watch off and i doubt it cud track basketball anyway but now i wish i had some kind of footpod to track cadence just to see measurable improvements over time. The really interesting tho was afterwards i didn't feel beat up as i would normally .. and it's still just my 3rd session of the season so it's not like ive adapted to basketball already, just cadence seems to have helped a ton.

So im going to try to make some changes .. like walking out of the basketball court my normal cadence is so slow and leisurely but if i actively try to improve it then i scuttle along more purposely. I would like to see how that translates to basketball over time. I would like to see how it translates to life in general. Maybe it's the simple changes we make which have the most benefit.

yup.

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I worry if lots of slow running is not just making me even slower as an athlete.

don't.

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When i look down and see how my feet are moving glacially it just seems weird af ha..

it's weird now, but from an evolutionary perspective, it was normal.

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i feel like im some old man jogger.

so do i.

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lol. But signs are promising i felt kinda quick in my first basketball session of the season last friday.

nice.



roughly:

my recovery runs & slow runs are ~150-165 SPM.
my moderate pace is 170-185 SPM.
my race SPM for 5k through half marathon, is ~190 SPM.
my race SPM for 1km to 1 mile, is ~200 SPM.
my race SPM for 200m is ~210-220+ SPM.

i do the vast majority of my running at 150-165 SPM, ie old man jogger level.

i get in ~1-2 sessions per week (including a possible race) at the 190+ SPM level.

i rarely hit 210-220+ SPM. but i can whenever i want.. and when i do, i can go 17-18.x mph.

the human body has different energy systems, meant for different survival/hunting scenarios. improving all of them is important, but they each have different frequencies in which you can make improvement. when you train one quality "really hard", it can improve to the detriment of other qualities - but that's mostly CNS related IMHO, everything recovers (or potentially overshoots) with taper/recovery periods. that's why slow running for example, is meant to actually be very slow. if every session is leaving you stale, then it would tap into recovery/strength gains. so, truly going slow/relaxed for recovery sessions (which still yield aerobic benefits) is very important. hitting it harder 1-2x/wk is fine and won't tap into anything. hitting it hard every day will make you stale as fu*k.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: January 10, 2019, 06:40:39 pm »
When I was last really active on here you were smashing 5ks. Now you're smashing running ultras!!

yea. definitely pretty cool! :D

now i'm looking for more potential ultras.. :ninja:

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That's so awesome man. Certainly inspiring my new found love for running.

awesome man!

yea I remember you enjoyed it (trails etc), but IIRC also had some feet/calf issues as well?

i imagine trail running & even trail racing would be something you'd love.

with ultras especially, it seems like with such a crazy long race at a slower pace, might allow you to really take in the scenery/nature etc. that sounds pretty fun. not advising this for you at this point, just saying in general. marathon & shorter are fast, hard to really absorb if you're pushing it, at least from my experience. still very fun tho.

great to see that you're getting back into stuff!

peace!

You should definitely go for it, you clearly have a real talent for long endurance both from a physical and mental point of view.

thanks alot man!!

yea I will now maintain fitness for ultra distances. this means my weekly long runs are about to get.. nuts. :ninja:

for example, i'm thinking about this over the next 4 weeks: (all grass/non road)
week 0: (6 hours, last sunday's race)
week 1: 3 hours
week 2: 4 hours
week 3: 3 hours
week 4: 5 hours

so just starting to oscillate it, with the goal of always maintaining fitness near 6 hours. i'd also be experimenting with different styles like, ie faster first half, slower second .. or flipped around etc, or trying to go fast at the end etc.

also, i plan on doing some of those runs on paths with hills etc.



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Did you do anything specifically to slip into that mind set of being able to run for that long, like any psychological tips you used, meditation etc... Or did it just come kinda naturally?

nope, just lots of mileage without music, by myself, no fluids/calories etc.

so just lots me-and-my-own-thoughts solo running.

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I do really love trails and the scenery, there's something liberating about flying through nature so yeah, it definitely appeals. It is something I kind of have on my radar for some day, I'm still only like 24 so I'm not gonna rush into them but I'd love to do one one day. I have some plans this summer to run some of the mountains in the UK with some friends so that would be a nice intro into the longer distances.

awesome man!!

and ya, "flying through nature" feels way different than flying on a road.



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The mental aspect of it appeals, even with the 10ks the kind of meditative state you go into is so enjoyable and I imagine with ultras it gets pretty intense. My supervisor through university was into ultras, think he did some pretty big ones like tour de mont blanc and he'd talk about the mental aspects of it.

ah nice. i had a professor at uni who was into triathlons/competitive cycling etc, but i wasn't into endurance sports back then, so didn't truly grasp what he was into at the time. i saw some photos of him ~11 years later, dude still looks like a beast.. probably in his 70's now.

i've only done one proper 10k. might do another on saturday. want to try and do as little 5k's as possible this year.. which still means lots of 5k's. but it just means, if there's a combo distance event 5k/10k, choose the 10k. if there's a two races a 5 miler & a 5k, choose the 5 miler. etc.

that's one thing i noticed the old school folks did differently. they always seemed to go after the longer races, even if they were miler's and such. they loved just going out and competing in an 8k, 10k, 15k etc. i need to get on that.

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Something I've always noticed about ultra is there's always a few jacked guys, likw the guy in that photo. What's behind that? Is it just because it's not so.. Max speed dependent? I feel like we may have talked about this before in fact haha.

ya i've noticed that too, you're definitely onto something with that.

it's interesting. lots of these "jacked ultra dudes" are former military, at least here anyway. so, they have all of this muscle, lift, but have this mindset of wanting to do stuff that's borderline "survival".

even if they aren't military, i guess it's that "survival" addiction. a 6 hour race is probably very survival-ish to most people. for me, i'd imagine that would be 12 hours or 24 hours, i mean that sounds insane. 6 hours didn't seem scary to me at all, lol.

i definitely see "jacked dudes" at 5k's too etc. you'll see crossfit guys running with weighted vests and such, it's cool but also funny. race events are great, so you see all kinds of people.

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Sorry that kinda turned into a long post!

all good! good post!

sorry i typed that before leaving work, got distracted a few times.

pc man

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: 2019 Vert Comp
« on: January 10, 2019, 06:06:57 pm »
i'd love to be in.. but i think i'm out. lol. :ninja:

i love the idea of a 2019 vert comp thread tho. a competitive thread is a great. :headbang:

Mate I reckon a couple of sneaky jumps would see you do quite well...

tbh, i bet it would. that's what's crazy. all of this running has me feeling so springy/powerful. sometimes i jump up onto the curb and such, or over a small railing, or over that snake several months ago (lol), and i feel so good, almost dunk level. obviously don't have that peak power anymore, but running has definitely kept that spring going. getting some of that jump specific power back would just require actual jump sessions. would be cool to do long light runs with "strides" but instead, jumps. imagine slow quarter mile recovery laps with a L-SLRVJ every lap, going at a vertec (that sounds pretty fun lmao). all of this sounds kind of "steepler" ish.

for a while now, i've been interested in potentially jumping on grass.. :ninja: i wouldn't jump on hard courts anymore, or even indoor gyms. but i really do love springy grass. would be cool to buy a vertec and get some jumps in eventually. dragging it out there would suck tho. hah.

for now, i'll just spectate. 8)

:D :ibjumping:

#2019vertcomp !!

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800m+ Running and/or Conditioning / Re: The running routes thread
« on: January 10, 2019, 03:50:25 pm »
Clermont Florida trails etc:

https://www.mapmyrun.com/us/clermont-fl/

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800m+ Running and/or Conditioning / The running routes thread
« on: January 10, 2019, 03:50:15 pm »
just links to local running routes etc. i'll post ones local to me.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: 2019 Vert Comp
« on: January 10, 2019, 03:31:59 pm »
i'd love to be in.. but i think i'm out. lol. :ninja:

i love the idea of a 2019 vert comp thread tho. a competitive thread is a great. :headbang:

I'm in, haven't broken 32" in 6 months tho so wont be threatening anyone here. But love a good comp. Maybe we should have a hashtag and we can post updates on insta?

nice. #2019vertcomp. :D

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welcome back! :welcome: :ibrunning: :D

just throwing my 2 cents in (like i usually do with form), regarding the glute/lean stuff: just be careful with it. i mean i personally don't do any of that stuff anymore. i literally only think about relaxing and just keeping a pace, or just random thoughts. have to be careful altering mechanics. related to that, a good way to get more glute involvement is just picking up the speed w/ some strides, then going back to light trot - which can then have better mechanics given the recent extra muscle recruitment .. and an amazing thing for "lean" is hills, if you have one you can run.

pc!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: January 09, 2019, 10:09:23 pm »
light day with some trots up the hill.

01/09/2019

diet:
- ate ok/light, great steak/asparagus/cauliflower stir fry before bed


07:55 PM: light: 1h41m with {hill (best friend) @ 1 hour, 19 laps / strong but light up} ::: (grass, alt-sim, legs decent, right hip/glute achy but improving)
- https://www.strava.com/activities/2066626680
- https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/3285560429







---

footer stats:

top3 finishes:
2019: 1/2
2018: 30/45
2017: 6/12
2016: 4/10
2015: 0/2
2006: 0/1

sub5 mi's, sub3 1k's:
2019: 0, 0
2018: 12, 15
2017: 1, 1
2016: 0, 0
2015: 0, 0

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: January 09, 2019, 09:59:39 pm »
When I was last really active on here you were smashing 5ks. Now you're smashing running ultras!!

yea. definitely pretty cool! :D

now i'm looking for more potential ultras.. :ninja:

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That's so awesome man. Certainly inspiring my new found love for running.

awesome man!

yea I remember you enjoyed it (trails etc), but IIRC also had some feet/calf issues as well?

i imagine trail running & even trail racing would be something you'd love.

with ultras especially, it seems like with such a crazy long race at a slower pace, might allow you to really take in the scenery/nature etc. that sounds pretty fun. not advising this for you at this point, just saying in general. marathon & shorter are fast, hard to really absorb if you're pushing it, at least from my experience. still very fun tho.

great to see that you're getting back into stuff!

peace!

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800m+ Running and/or Conditioning / Re: Running Stats & Stuff
« on: January 09, 2019, 01:12:51 pm »
oooh.. some ultra stats.

https://ultrarunning.com/featured/ultrarunning-magazine-all-time-lists/

50 miles in under 5h etc.. damn!

the 24-hour world best is fucked up. translates to 4:46/7:40 pace; assuming the guy took some breaks then his average moving pace was faster than that. for 24 hours.

yup. these folks are insane.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: January 09, 2019, 01:11:31 pm »
easily one of the great moments in adarq.org history.

thanks man!! since you said it, i'll agree with you :D

 :ibrunning: :ibrunning: :ibrunning:

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and, i told you so.  ;D

yup.. you did. many times. several years ago. even perhaps when i was dunking too.

i've got that "ultra mindset" so, makes sense.

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:highfive: :highfive: :highfive: :highfive: :highfive:

 :highfive: :highfive: :highfive:

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ETA: a 3:30 marathon in the course of doing 42 miles is just incredible.

haha!! thanks!!

also that 3:28 is obviously submax, within 21 laps on the course, which means 21 "big hills" (ie, 6:00 min/mi pace up the hill would be like 8:00 min/mi pace @ 1m:30s up the hill etc, something like that).

i think it takes me like ~50-55s to sprint hard up the hill (from hill sprint sessions i've done there).

so like you said, definitely pretty cool. i'd love to do a "trail marathon" (on a fast trail).

:D :wowthatwasnutswtf: :ibrunning:

peace man!!!!!!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 09, 2019, 11:35:29 am »
i think you're making a mistake that a lot of people do, myself included, which is assuming too direct a correlation between two different data points. you think "basketball is played at 160-180 bpm, jogging gets me to 140 bpm, therefore maybe jogging isn't an optimal way to train for basketball." but jogging and basketball are different activities, and jogging can absolutely help build physical capacities that improve your ability to do specific training for and to play basketball. it's GPP. same as squatting: there isn't a 1:1 relationship between squatting and basketball ability, to claim one would be silly. but getting a bigger squat has carryover into speed and jumping and boxing people out. jogging has carryover into not getting winded as easily during gameplay.

^^ :highfive:

very well said.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 09, 2019, 11:34:27 am »
LBSS, quick recap:
1. i told him to play more full court basketball
2. he says he can't etc
3. he came up with some running stuff, which was basically 2x/day, but lots of hard running
4. i told him to do most of his runs slow/relaxed, not looking at pace, for ~30 minutes or so, then try to get 1-2 hard sessions in per week
5. he said running was making his squat feel amazing, best thing ever, feels so strong/good etc
6. treadmill vs road vs grass stuff
7. diminishing returns after 2 weeks, slow running isn't for him
8. slow running is dogma
9. he needs to feel like he can progress each workout etc, so running might not be for him
10. he'll stop short of calling it nonsensical
11. he says part of the fun is figuring it out for yourself, which i can identify with

i wrote the brief recap because i saw a devil's advocate comment. i forget exactly what, but it was related to pace etc.

i told him not to worry about the watch, pace, etc.. don't worry about how slow he looks compared to others.

tbh, i think he has problems going that slow because of "ego". maxent has made some comments which elude to that.

i run very slow, most often. even slower than old ladies, who can sometimes pass me. doesn't bother me one bit. so i'm definitely someone who has seen the benefits of running very slow/relaxed. thing is, for me it works best at ~45 minutes or so (and adds more benefit the longer i go). for maxent, it would probably work great at 30 minutes.

so, if he was enjoying his 2x/day running, or even every day running, he should be going hard 2x/week, with the rest of the sessions slow & relaxed .. occasionally throwing in some short strides or ending with them, if he wanted. that'd be my advice.

he wanted to go faster like every workout/week etc, but it just doesn't work that way with running.

i'll stop just short of calling it nonsensical tho.

nice. because calling something nonsensical, while not knowing much about the subject, would be well - nonsensical.

 :ninja: :uhhhfacepalm:

also you asked if it's mileage or duration .. i told you several times, it's duration! don't worry about miles.

every single one of my runs, i simply write "1 hour" , "2 hours", "3 hours", "30 min", "45 min" etc.. i don't even write the mileage.

if you write the mileage, it makes you run too fast.

running to improve general fitness is very simple. you've already overcomplicated it like crazy. i mean that's not good to do in itself, but to do it with this confidence of calling the time tested basics "nonsensical" and "dogma" is just ridiculous. when it comes to conditioning you're self admittedly clueless, so chill with those "attack words" lmao. you know alot more about lifting/diet etc .. but conditioning is a completely different paradigm, takes a long time to learn/master. it's not easy. and the hardest aspect to learn about it, is how simple it is, yet how hard it is to perform the simple basics. the basics are hard to perform because they are so simple. they aren't shiny or amazing.

bottom line.. to build a strong foundation, one needs to improve their work capacity specific to the total duration of efforts, and total duration per week, per month, per year. etc.

peace!

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