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Other nutrition news: Finally got around to buying some creatine. I've never tried it before but I've always had it in my head as a possible secret weapon to try when I need more inches. I know I'm pretty late to the party here because most members seem to be using it in some way. Got a 1kg of creatine monohydrate for $20 and figured it was time to try it already. From reading journals/bodybuilding sites, the current preferred loading method is just to take 5g a day consistently throughout the year after training or at any time during non-training days, rather than the traditional 20g for 5 days/3-5g for 8 weeks/4 weeks off cycle.

It boggles my mind that guys here like LBSS and acole aren't using creatines. Everyone gains instantly on it. And I agree i like the idea of saving things to push further when you reach your natural limit. I hope you're also using caffeine? It helps a lot in all facets, from performance to recovery. It's a must. For a while i was dabbling in dosing caffeine depending on the intensity of the workout, but now i realise that to be a mistake, because if you take less caffeine on a light day, it means you made that workout a lot harder than it should have been, and what's more, made it much harder to recover from! So now i think caffeine is just necessary. Get a bottle of caffeine pills from bodybuilding.com, it costs like $5 and lasts months. And yeah, creatine daily soungs good. I don't take 5g though, like 1-2g a day, we're just not that muscular (as in kilos of lean mass), but then i take about 1g preworkout and postworkout on workout days. Helps with workout performance, and postworkout for recovery too, taken this way.

Eating carbs before bed isn't bad, it's good! Helps sleep deeper better, so it's not something you should be guilty about. I'd cut out the sugar from breakfast though, just because i like psychologically to know i started off 100% clean, and it's easy to stick to the plan thru the day compared to if breakfast was dirty, just my 2c.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 29, 2014, 09:24:45 am »
Chris, LBSS, i realise now when i took a wider stance, i was more on my heels if that's possible, which gave rise to that stapled into the ground feeling of being slow to react to the offense. Think of the powerlifter who sits back into the squat with a wide stance. But since we want to be able to move easily, I should have got on my toes with the wider stance. Pehaps that will help make it more athletic? I'll test it out next time i play in a couple of days.

True he trains hard. But, if you want to look athletic out there...you need skills. I can take a monster NFL WR who runs 4.4 40s and jumps 40 inches at 6'4 220lbs and he'll look helpless in a basketball court because even though hes a beast of an athlete it wont translate into this game. Basketball is predominantly a skill based sport, being a beast athlete will only help if you have the basic fundamental skill set to showcase that athleticism.

that works but takes so much time (which really is the fun part IMO)..

if you want to look the part for BBall without doing the needed endless skill work:

- build monster calves, forearms, shoulders and back using compound movements.

- forget about traps, chest.

you will still suck at Bball offensively, but being very strong really helps with rebounding / boxouts. i play like rodman on the court. i may not match skilled players defensively too but i will wear people down until they don't bother fighting for spots anymore.  ;D



Chris is right, i have this gap btw where my mind wants my body to go, and what my body does. It's long enough that, say for loose ball near me, i can't reach for and snatch it out before the nearest opponent, even though i had a better position. I have that lag. And as i play more, that lag gets smaller and smaller. I can def see the truth of what he says.

But what KF says is so true. I just wish I had been training my calves and arms all along! My standing barbell calf raise is coming along nicely, i'm up to 205kg next week. Will work up to about 220kg which is as far I think i can go til there is no space left on the bar.  These are already paying off, not so much in size (lol) but being able to pop off my toes quickly, good for rebounding or launching vertically in general.

re forearms, i'm doing chins now, regularly, mostly for abs (lol) but they're also strengthening my forearms esp at my heavy bodyweight. I should keep working them. My forearms aren't as big as they've been in the past when i did more arm work. Also ab roll outs do something for my arms too. curls do a much better job for forearms though, i just can't seem to do them consistently. i should.

re delts, and i'm coninced strong explosive shoulders help a lot in bball in all facets. my interest is esp for shooting stroke quality when fatigue sets in. should start doing presses again lol, just to work up to a bodyweight press and maintain it.





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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 28, 2014, 10:15:04 am »
Btw rap, I heeded your old man refrain and tried a more explosive/aggressive approach to the dunk. Vid below:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QZ2XvwGmiQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QZ2XvwGmiQ</a>

Also Todday, i am making improvements on the LR plant.  :headbang:

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 28, 2014, 10:03:38 am »
Mainly just restricting calories bro. I eat a clean healthy breakfast everyday, 2 slices of wholemeal bread, 3 eggs, 1 scoop whey in 300mL lowfat milk. At night I eat about a bowl of carbs (rice or bread), 1 scoop whey in 300mL milk again, and about a deck of cards worth of meat protein (usually chicken). I do that pretty much every day without change. On workout days i'll have a coke around workout though, just out of habit, i should probably swap that out with something healthier! Yes LBSS i should eat more veges haha, but i'm saving that trick up my sleeve for later when i start to get crazy hungry, i can put some fibre in my gut to feel fuller and trick my body.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 28, 2014, 08:56:03 am »
Looks like i've taken a 10kg hit on my PRs while cutting. I really hope it's temporary and i can recover my PRs once i'm done, because i worked really hard to make these gains, and it will suck losing them. We'll see how it goes, i am pretty much glyocogen depleted right now as well, it's possible if i had done a carb refeed i could have lifted more today. I'm also finding my body behaving very oddly lately, a dark fog has descended inside my head. I feel as though if i were sleeping better it wouldn't be there, but the reason i'm not sleeping well (deep and unbrken) is because well i'm not feeling so good, catch 22. I'll adapt, it could just be a temporary phase of adapting to using mainly bodyfat for fuel.

I'm taking bets for what my bodyfat will be when i get under 90kg/200lb. Will post a pic when I cross the threshold for validation.

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Bodyweight: 91.9kg/202.61lb

So the following day my bodyweight is down again! And today I am looking noticeably leaner in the mirror. I don't think i'm in the 20%s at all now. I think i'm somewhere between 15 and 20. Which is wild, i've never held this much muscle. It's actually quite possible but something I am not willing to admit being pessimistic about these things, but I could be 15% around 85-90kg which nuts. Lets see how it goes, no counting chickens until they hatch!

I am planning on training today, grip is stronger. Not super strong mind you but it will have to do.

Training
FS 1x135
BS 1x147.5
BBS 1x160
CR 2x15x202.5 (PR)
DUNKZ ~ 20 total
ABWL 2x10 (knees, full rom)

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / chasing athleticism
« on: January 27, 2014, 02:30:05 am »
Bodyweight: 92.5kg/203.93lb



Yesterday was australia day, and i went to play outdoor ball at the beach with some friends and they had a bbq afterwards which turned out to be amazing. I didn't intend to eat anything off my diet but it's hard to resist. Anyway, i had a couple of slices of bread, and about half a dozen, maybe more pieces of meat. About a cup total of /iced tea/dr pepper/. Came home, slept, and today i woke up weighing 92.5kg (!), and that was after having a 400mL glass of water, which i usually don't have have before weighing. So i had an overnight scale movement. And it checks out with the tape measure around the waist too, getting real close to 38" now, any day i'll be in the 37"s. So i'm making ok progress on the scale side of things.

Btw this marks 10 days into the diet. i've been pretty compliant except for last night's bbq, which to be fair was just a lot of protein and some fat, i guess, and some carbs which i took while glyocogen depleted.

Hoping to have a good workout today although i didn't sleep enough so we'll see how it goes.

I didn't train in the end. I decided it would have been just another shitty day in the gym. I woke up with a weak grip, so i knew my CNS wasn't up to snuff. Will try tomorrow.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 26, 2014, 11:39:40 am »
I just wanna make a note that for the first time, today, i played ball on my toes. Not literally on my toes, I mean on the balls of my feet, but i'm exaggerating to mark the difference. I found myself blocking more shots than normal. The thing which i'm wondering now is, back when i used to play ball naturally and get a lot of blocks, did I habitually play off the forefoot then? And was it all the squatting that turned me into a heels down athlete? I can't really answer that. But i'm playing again tomorrow morning, will try it some more. Let it not be said i don't listen to advice, that's 3-4 sessions around basketball in 8 days.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 26, 2014, 01:18:32 am »


started from the top, now we here. Seems that fasting stuff the last coupla days got the scale moving nicely.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 24, 2014, 02:01:48 pm »
The race is the same, it's not changing, only my strategy for how to run it.  I'm trying to peak for a "meet" except i'm not a PL who has to prepare to do 3 lifts, i have to play a sport, where i want to be maximally athletic, which for me means being as strong as possible, as lean as possible and as fit as possible. A lot of people will say that impossible, pick one. Fuck that shit. It does me no good to be 75kg/160lb or whatever i was last 'meet' where i was being flipped around like a feather. It does me no good to be squatting 180kg when i'm a breathless out of shape fatfuck. For me all of those things ARE THE GOAL. i know most people won't understand it, but i expect people on this forum to!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 24, 2014, 01:44:14 pm »
Honestly, i'm just arguing for arguments sake.  i don't really care for this stuff lol, i'm never going to train anything meaningful while fasted. I want to set PRs, i don't want to be struggling with 10% under my PRs which is what has happened every time i've tried fasted lifting. I get that some people can do well on it, that's great for them, it doesn't work for everyone, i'm in that subset.

Lyle has this to say about fasted cardio, which kind of makes sense. If you're trying to get into low bodyfat then fasted cardio has it's place. For the rest of us, it's not really that big a deal.

I do want to try using BCAAs around cardio though, cause it totally sucks that i can't do running/jogging without fatiguing my legs too much to affect squats. Lets see what happens, will try to nail down my around workout nutrition to improve recovery. I'll take some BCAAs (whether whey or BCAA per se) before/and/after.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 24, 2014, 01:17:00 pm »
I'll expand on that a bit. Walking burns says 70% bodyfat, and 30% carbs. Jogging might burn 40% bodyfat and 60% carbs. And sprinting may be 10% bodyfat and 90% carbs. I don't know the actual values and i don't care for the purpose of this post. So say if you do fasted walking, perhaps it shifts the ratio further towards bodyfat, same with jogging. But jogging expends more calories than does walking, although we're interested in the number of calories that being burned from bodyfat rather than something else. So in the fasted jogging case, you're looking at a bigger number of calories coming from bodyfat than before. This might be a significant amount, maybe not over one day, but over a long period of say several months.  Also your body might have other sources of fuel too, like muscle tissue. Todday will no doubt give a better more factual explanation. Also, when did we decide ageold bodybuilder wisdom is broscience? They're the experts at this stuff, they've been finetuning it over decades!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 24, 2014, 12:47:10 pm »
don't lump me in with you on the impact of glycogen depletion!

Fair point brah, I won't speak for you. but say if i'm a 85kg athlete, and i go on a cut, which means a caloric deficit. And i'm eating say 2000 calories a day with say 100g of protein. So that's 400cal from protein, and the remainder i decide to eat from mostly carbs, so i'm eating 1500kcal from carbs a day. I'm still going to lose fat. I'm still burning fat even though I might not be glycogen depleted. That's my point. Caloric balance gives me fat loss regardless of my macros.

But i agree there is a place for depletion in dieting, even Duchain's original Ultimate Diet had a depletion phase with specific worouts designed for depleting glycogen. I just don't think you have to be in ketosis to be burning bodyfat. You can never be in ketosis and still shed mad bodyfat just because you're on a caloric deficit. This must be preaching to the choir, surely?


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bottom line: you need to pick a goal and settle on it. if you keep jumping around you're just going to spin your wheels.

So when did I do that? My goal is the same, hasn't changed in forever, get strong, get lean, get fit, get in shape for bball. That hasn't changed, i'm just stuck finetuning my approach towards it!

Toddday's point, about the run fasted thing:
case A: fast ( or sleep ), run and burn Y kcals, eat X kcals.
case B: fast ( or sleep ), eat X kcals, run and burn Y kcals.
The energy balance is [X]-[Y]-[BMR expenditure] in both cases, eating before or after does not change what you burn in an exercise.

Now obviously if you don't eat at all, the energy balance wil be 0-[Y]-[BMR expenditure], but then we are not discussing the fasted cardio myth anymore. The myth is about some magic voodoo stuff going on that burns more fat when you run fasted than when eaten.

Double captain obvious note, word!


Vag, this is not right. Suppose you eat some carbs before this silly hypothetical run, now you're going to be using that for fuel, probably, because preferentially the body prefers to fuel off glucose. If you're fasted, then you have a better chance to burning bodyfat for fuel..

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 24, 2014, 11:38:55 am »
Ok, i'm gonna experiment with this fasted stuff tonight. My last meal was 10.5 hours ago. I did have some carbs (coke) preworkout though.   Anyway that coke was about 6.5 hours ago. I haven't eaten anything since then. I'm going for a late night walk. If i had BCAA i would mix some first. But i don't have any, so i used 2tspn whey instead. I know it's got BCAAs as well. So lets see how it goes. brb.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 24, 2014, 11:28:33 am »
So i'm really reconsidering my approach to reaching my goal of being a strong, lean, fit, conditioned, skilled player by my deadline (~11 weeks time). I think i will fit in a stint of hardcore severe dieting, maybe 3-4 weeks. PSMF. And hopefully that will take me from say 90kg down to 85kg and then i can slowly work my way from there to 80kg. Now i don't think that's actually a realistic endpoint, it's an ideal endpoint. But the closer i come, the better, so it's not necessary an attainable goal as such, only a guide for where to aim.

In lieu of the above, i'll be ordering extra protein (i calculate i need btw 2.5-5kg) and BCAAs. This will help with muscle sparing etc. I've never used BCAA before, maybe they'll be beneficial, perhaps especially when i try the fasted training thing.

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