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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 10, 2013, 09:23:42 am »
^Totally agree about bf being more important than circumference in aesthetics, wanted to edit my post and add exactly that that but forgot.
Wouldn't bf affect thighs circumference too? IIRC entropy is about 20%bf now, for a 210lbs guy that would be ~30lbs of extra mass ( of not dense, bigger volume taking fat mass to be exact ) compared to a 6%bf bodybuilder of the same LBM.
One very important thing here would be to define where and how one should measure. Loose VMO area vs flexed upper thigh area would obviousely give huge circumference differences. I measure about 3/4 between knee and hip flexor and flexed, i guess that i am doing it wrong.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Chris' training journal
« on: December 10, 2013, 05:30:09 am »
I logged it in another thread, i will log it here too given the chance, i find the smith very useful for heavy BSS. I mean heavy though, 200lbs+. Imho it would be very difficult (and dangerous?) to setup for BSS with a free 200lbs BB on your back, while holding 100lbs dbs for as long as both BSS legs reps last is also too hard. So it has proven to be very convenient for those and only those.

As for calve raises, it is normal to see huge numbers on the leg press ( no BW, no back stress, no balance issues, maybe some leverage gain too, e.g. in a 45 degree press you press 0.707 of the weight you loaded ). ChrisM, aren't you bored of loading so many plates? I find the standing calve raises machine much more convenient. But then again it has a stack of ~100kg only so i guess it is too light for you.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 10, 2013, 05:07:40 am »
LBSS that is 5'10''/180 will consider 27'' quads huge while entropy that is 6'3''/210+ is just content with them. Mine are 25,5'' now and they don't even look big. I remember the other day, avishek logged that his arms are 14'' and everyone at the gym is checking him out and i was like wtf, mine are 16,5'' and i feel they look just above average. But then i remembered avishek is 5'9''/165 or so, while i am 6'1''/200+ so his 14'' arms should indeed look proportionaly bigger.
Yeah, obvious analysis is obvious.

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I disagree about trying to force a plant change from jump stop to 1-2. Here is kellyb explaining why:

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What type of approach do you use?

Some people like to get really into analyzing their final footwork on their approach. Basically there are 2 styles of 2 foot approach jumps. A step close method and a hop method. On a step close method you'll come in and your final steps will consist of the planting of one foot, than placing the other foot next to the first foot, followed by a jump. On a bounce method you'll come in and both feet will plant simultaneously, then you'll jump.

A few studies have been done comparing the 2 styles and one hasn't been found to be superior to the other, although there are slight differences. (1-3) My opinion is relatively untrained athletes and people with extremely powerful lower legs may get better results from the hop method, as it allows them shorter ground contact times and inherently tends to lessen the degree of knee and hip bend they use, which improves reactive force contribution in beginners, whose coordination usually isn't optimal. Beginners have trouble getting much reactive force contribution from their runups. The hop method does require more force to decelerate and most of the best dunkers use the step close method, or the 1,2 plant. The step close method is advantageous because it's smoother, requires less deceleration, and seems to favor faster approaches, but it also keeps your initial plant leg on the ground a bit longer. It also requires more coordination to fully optimize.

You might experiment a bit with each style to see which one you favor, just don't get in the habit of overanalyzing your steps to the point you turn into a robot. As you become more advanced and work on your approach you will likely naturally gravitate toward a step-close style of approach, but plenty of people have succeeded with either style and when put to the test neither style has proven superior. If you make a point to come in faster and smoother your body will inherently use the style most favorable for your unique physiological characteristics.

Btw, the whole article has more about improving runup/plant, definitely a great and very relevant read: http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/lastlittlebit.html

Edit : agree with raptor and undoubtable. I don't believe that form could bring big improvements now. Yes, keep trying to improve it ( it has improveld a LOT imho ), no, don't overfocus/overanalyze. Feels like you are on the right track to me too, keep doing what you are doing.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: December 07, 2013, 09:32:33 am »
7 December 2013

Bodyweight@session : 92kg
Soreness : glutes still a little sore
Injuries/aches :  none

5/3/1 beginner template
Wave 3 :: Week 1 :: Day 3

BENCH ( 5/3/1 ):
5@50kg
5@57,5kg
9@65kg , predicted 1RM :personal-record:
-Predicted 1RM PR by 0,2kg, 83,9kg, previous was last year's 83,7kg ( 8@67,5kg ). I'll take it.

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT ( Light day ):
5@55kg
5@65kg
5@75kg
-Easy.

HALF SQUATS:
3@85kg
3@95kg
3@105kg
-Strong but again harder than i thought. Filmed them, they are harder because i go much lower than i used to. Will upload later.

CHINUPS:
9@BW+5kg ( +1 rep ) ,  predicted 1RM :personal-record:
7@BW+5kg
6@BW+5kg
-Same reps with last week but 0,5kg heavier, so new 1RM PR is 125kg vs 124,5kg. I'll take that too.

LANCE CALVE RAISES ( DL concentric, slow SL eccentric ):
10 each leg@35kg
10 each leg@35kg
10 each leg@35kg
-Meh, thought i did 30kg last time, that's why they felt easy.

ABS COASTER MACHINE:
20@BW+10kg front  ( +5 reps )
20@BW+10kg left ( +5 reps )
20@BW+10kg right ( +5 reps )
-Stayed at same load to up the volume, very strong.

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Hey, glad to see you repost!
Is it that you have no time or no mood that doesnt let you train? If it is the former, you can train at home if you really want to. Pick a couple of heavy KBs/DBs and do swings, snatches, pistol squats, SL deadlifts etc. You can do some great workouts in minimum time like that.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: December 05, 2013, 01:51:58 pm »
5 December 2013

Bodyweight@session : n/a
Soreness : glutes 4/5, WTF, 20-30kg lunges destroyed them!
Injuries/aches :  none

1,5 hour of full court basketball.
Endurance : Felt a little worse than the previous times, so a little worse than awful!  :uhhhfacepalm:
Jumps : Got a 10'1'' SVJ ( 26'' ) and a 10'5'' 2-steps RVJ ( 30'' ). Fair.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 05, 2013, 03:58:57 am »
^Correct! To be fair with toddday my last post could be misread easily. I was referring to noobs, that is the key. LBSS is a guy that has already strength trained for years to reach 2*BW, he was not part of my argument. If i may rephrase it, it would be "You need to have a good strength foundation before starting to worry about ways to express it better".
Yeah, if i ever say that you don't need to jump when trying to improve jumping, please ban me from this site!  :P

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: December 04, 2013, 03:56:34 pm »
4 December 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~92kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

5/3/1 beginner template
Wave 3 :: Week 1 :: Day 2

ROMANIAN DEADLIFT ( 5/3/1 ):
5@70kg
5@80kg
10@92,5kg , all time predicted 1RM  :personal-record: ( 123kg )
-Awesome!

STANDING OVERHEAD PRESS ( 5/3/1 ):
5@32,5kg
5@37,5kg
8@42,5kg
-Wanted a 9th for a PR here too but failed it, same reps with last wave's 42,5kg.  :-[

BICEPS EZ BAR CURL:
12@35,5kg
12@35,5kg
12@35,5kg
-Got my 3x12 finally. Damn hard!

TRICEPS CABLE PUSHDOWN:
12@35kg
12@35kg
12@35kg
-Same comment with biceps.

I also did:
-8 DB lunges each leg , 12kg dbs
-8 BB BSS each leg , empty bar ( 20kg )
-8 BB lunges each leg , empty bar ( 20kg )
Wanted to see what feels better to start doing, i will go with BB lunges.

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^Was there this August, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissani_Cave.
The colors are not exactly like this, the wiki pics are much more reaslistic. It is still very beautiful.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 04, 2013, 09:17:57 am »
^True, but it is easy to stop being weak while it is impossible to stop having bad/mediocre structure. No shit sherlock. You know , i know , we all know. We all train strength AND bounce trying to find balance between fixing weaknesses and emphasizing qualities. The reason i insist on this is not for the shake of the argument, i think we all agree ( with slight perception differences ). The reason i insist is the case someone reading this is new at jump training, it should be heard clear that strength is a much more trainable quality than bounce and a much better bet for vert improvement. And right now, as Avishek was away from the pc doing something totally irrelevant, his head still exploded!  :D

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 04, 2013, 04:51:14 am »
Agree with raptor. Tbh i don't believe much in bounce. That's why i said i'd prefer rudger's strength over bounce, it was a 100% jump-related statement. Someone with huge relative strength and awful bounce will still jump damn high, maybe his RVJ will look terrible and will be only 1'' higher than his SVJ, but it will be 40-ish. Not the same case with someone with awesome bounce but weak. I also want to note that our n=1 gets too strong here. So i, with my old rusty degenerated joints, am expected to not believe in bounce much. I did (half)squat my way up from 24'' to 35'' anyway. LBSS who is a healthy fit lean 2*BW squatter but cant jump over 35'' would be the oposite example i guess, bounce is his last hope. What to do? Nothing new, keep improving everything we can.

So, entropy, you used to have a journal?  ;D

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 03, 2013, 03:05:53 pm »
one thing t0ddday told me about when we trained together a couple months back was "earning" the steps. so for high jumpers, they're only allowed to take a run-up out to the number of steps where they get diminishing returns. if you don't jump any higher from two steps than one, you only get two. when your two-step jump is better than your one-step jump, you get three, and so on.

Brilliant, just brilliant!!!

Is springiness a quality that can be learned? Or is it just based on how high you jump? Ex: A person with a over a 40'' vert will always look springy.

Yes it is trainable quality. It is arguable to what extent it is, but it is. Plyos and explosive lifts ( jump squats, speed squats, o-lifts ) is the way. And obviously ( but very often neglected ), if you want to improve your RVJ efficiency you need to train your RVJ itself more than anything. Some great stuff about plyometric ability, how much it can be improved and how, here: http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/plyomyths.html
No, i don't believe it is directly related to the inches you can jump. Your 40+ example is extreme, indeed i doubt that you can reach 40+ without having your bounce up to par, unless you are some kind of freak that can just power-jump 40+ ( inb4, kf ). But to get down to the real world, you can see entropy looking terribly slow and clumsy while he jumps ~35'' ( rough estimation ). Myself and LBSS have reached 35'' too at some point, but our runups looked bad ( mine VERY bad ). So n=3 already. Agree with LBSS, keep improving what you can, that's the only way.

Edit:
About rutgersdunker, not doubting his bounce at all, but if i could choose to have a quality of his, it would not be his bounce:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKmw4hGCbwA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKmw4hGCbwA</a>
:trollface:

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: December 03, 2013, 04:50:42 am »
Interesting, my recent experiences are the same lately, i occasionaly feel i lost depth but video proves me wrong. But in the past it was the opposite, film always proved my depth to be higher than i thought. Maybe it has to do with the fact that you both were always deep squatters, while my style was ramp up the weight and do each set as deep as possible, so my constantly incosistent depth was ruining my perception? And now that i am doing full squats only for a long time it got fixed? Or maybe it has to do with form. I allowed much more lean in the past, so as the bar got heavier  i guess i leaned instead of sitting deeper, so same bar height, different hips height. A little bit of both i guess. Heh, silly/useless analysis of the day...

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: December 02, 2013, 03:08:36 pm »
2 December 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~92kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

5/3/1 beginner template
Wave 3 :: Week 1 :: Day 1

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT ( 5/3/1 day ):
5@65kg
5@75kg
9@85kg
-Awesome. The predicted 1RM (~110kg) is an all time below parellel  :personal-record:
I do have heavier sets logged, but when i filmed them, what i thought was below parallel proved to be slightly above parallel.

BENCH PRESS ( Light day ):
5@42,5kg
5@50kg
5@57,5kg
-All full paused. Strong.

STANDING SHOULDERS DB LATERAL RAISES.
12@8kg each hand
12@8kg each hand
12@8kg each hand

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED ROW MACHINE:
10@75kg ( +2 reps ) , ties  :personal-record:
9@75kg ( +1 rep )
8@75kg
-Great. Best ever is 3x10 at that weight.

PAUSED STANDING CALVE RAISES MACHINE:
20@60kg
17@60kg
15@60kg
-No progress. It is 3xF here, 20 paused reps is brutal.

WEIGHTED CRUNCHES MACHINE:
20@100lbs  ( +5 reps )
20@100lbs  ( +5 reps )
20@100lbs  ( +5 reps )
-Stayed at same load to up volume, nice.

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