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2701
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: May 12, 2014, 05:15:43 am »
Dawww, dont go ' whatever', i am just messing with you, take the damn joke!
In all seriousness, of course 8 reps are a lot. And yes, the last ones sucked. But that was GPP, 2x8 appears only in the first 'strength' phase and as i said ( 2 times ) it has ended, no more 2x8.
They become 6x5 waveloaded up to 30% at the 'explosive' phase , 2x5 at the 'reactive' phase and 2x5 complexed with half squats in the peaking phase.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: May 12, 2014, 04:25:31 am »
^Failpost, lol
-Most probably 3x5 and most certainly 5x3 is NOT shorter in time than 2x8.
-2x8 takes about 3 minutes total anyway so even if they were shorter you win what, 30 seconds?
-Who said i want to make my workouts shorter?
-On my previous post ( that you read because you replied to it ) i said that it stops being 2x8, it becomes 6x5 now.
-Tweaking a Kelly Bagggett routine is not smart.

:derp:


2703
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: May 12, 2014, 03:30:02 am »
11 May 2014

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

Owed from Saturday session:

9'' DEPTH JUMPS:
2x10
-Awesome, finally. Being able to absorb the impact totally and push back with full power. Great heights too.

JUMP SQUATS ( not rhythmic, reset each rep ):
8@20kg
8@20kg
-Awesome here too, feeling like i can accelerate till toe-off, it felt like i was running out of juice earlier in the previous sessions.

2704
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: May 12, 2014, 03:24:46 am »
Sun May 4
315-365-405-435
315 x12 no-pause

Thur May 8
315-365-405
315 x16 no-pause. cardio like a boss. could get to 20 but might not be able to do it consistently everyday. will go 12-14 tmrw

Sat May 10
315-365-405
315 x16 no-pause. not as bad as the first time i did it. can go 18-20 in a few days and still get at least 12 the day after.

Things are getting serious again!!!  :wowthatwasnutswtf:  :almostascoolasnyancat:  :ibsquatting:

2705
Really? Did you just render ALL 'intermediate' speed-strength and strength-speed training invalid???

2706
I mean, the jump is a quick snap of "strength" or tension generation and then there's relaxation to allow the movement to take place. So, if that is the case - then you'd be better saved with a general muscle building exercise (full squat) and a very specific jumping exercise (depth jump for overload, or jumps to rim for maximum specificity).

Kellyb agrees with that, he says that squats and jumps are enough. I agree too. If i had to choose only 2 things to do, it would be one thing at the far edge of strength and one at the far edge of speed, which would be >85% full squats and RVJs. But why choose only two? I am not arguing, i am agreeing, i am just saying that it is even better if you also choose an extra "in between" exercise, in the middle of the speed-strength spectrum. Or 2, or 3, it is like sampling, the more the better.
Also, one could say that maybe besides the actual jumping that you MUST do since this is what you are training for, the actual movement, maybe you should better do one thing that combines both, in the middle of the spectrum. So, for example, do 60% 1RM explosive squats. And although i disagree with that approach, i can't find a good argument to contradict it.
The only thing i can say is, again, why to have to choose one thing and not do many to cover all aspects?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: May 10, 2014, 12:43:33 pm »
So the 'strength phase' of the periodization routine has ended. And with it the whole limit strength training of this season has ended too.
It went good, from September to now i got my predicted 1RM from 85kg to 120kg and my real 1RM from 90kg to 115kg, that is and 35kg/77lbs gain at predicted 1RM and 25kg/55lbs gain for real 1RM!!!
Of course those are inflated gains, because i was coming from 4 months of not lifting and before that i was still rehabing my injured quad. But still, the circumstances were those and the initial legit 1RMs were the ones i typed. Plus, i broke all the full squat PRs that i had before the injury.
:wowthatwasnutswtf:  :ibsquatting:

I will not do more limit strength training until holidays ( end July ) , gonna finish the periodization thing and then do just buffered singles to triples for maintenance and focus on jumping.

Speaking of the periodization routine, it is getting interesting now. Depth jumps height increases, the squat singles are all buffered ( no max ones ), the volume squatting day is replaced by 6x2 speed squats @ 60% , the jump squats go from 2x8 steady weight to 6x5 waveloaded , good stuff, can't wait!!!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: May 10, 2014, 09:56:24 am »
10 May 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~87,25kg, too low, ate too light yesterday and today until training.
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

Kelly Baggett's simple periodization routine

PHASE I , Week 3/3

Session A:

9'' DEPTH JUMPS:
JUMP SQUATS ( not rhythmic, reset each rep ):
-Was sort on time, gonna do them tomorrow.

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
6@80kg ( -2,5kg )
6@87,5kg
6@95kg ( +2,5kg ) , ties 6RM  :personal-record:
6@90kg ( -2,5kg )
6@90kg ( -2,5kg )
-Not good. Legs were too weak. 95kg was too hard, so hard that i had to reduce the weight for the two remaining sets.
Maybe it was that i got only 4 hours of -bad- sleep, maybe too tired from the max singles and the 15x100 tempos of the previous days, maybe both.
Also the 6RM PR tie means nothing, i have much higher predicted 1RMs lately, i just never did 6 reps.

HORIZONTAL LEG PRESS CALVES 'RAISES':
10@460lbs ( +10 lbs )
10@460lbs ( +10 lbs )
8@460lbs ( +10 lbs ) , ( -2 reps )

CHINUPS:
8@BW+10kg ( -1 rep )
8@BW+10kg ( +1 rep )
-I would have been better here but i had to do them at a different bar which was much thicker, it ruined my pulling mechanics somehow.

DIPS:
7@BW
7@BW ( +1 rep )
-Progress again. Much better control and depth. Total reps PR too.

Depth/form @ dips:


2709
Yeah but my point was that you don't "need" to use the half squat AT ALL.

Agreed. Maybe you could earn a thing or two from them but there are other ways to get them too.


If you have problems full squatting, it's better to discover what your mobility issues are and solve them, instead of giving up and saying "full squatting is not for me" IMO. A butt wink usually means the lack of foot dorsiflexion. You can also experiment with different stance widths, low or high bar and so on.

Mostly agree. There are just some people that still can't full squat well, or others that might prefer going a few inches higher ( i am talking just above parallel half squats, not 1/4 ) , it is much more convenient than an endless fight with stances, mobilities, plus a a big compromise on the load. But i am with you, 'i cant full squat' is the easy answer, even if you choose halves as your GPP in the first place, you should at the same time keep researching why you cant full squat and try to resolve it.


And yeah, the point about having the bar still on your back on the concentric phase is a good one. But the question is - do you need that?

The answer here is yes. It is speed-strength or strength-speed training. Again, it does not have to be the half squat itself. Hill sprints, sled drags, jump squats, box squats, cleans, snatches, push-presses, power-jumper, vest jumps and so on, endless possibilities to pick from, depending on the ratio between strength and speed you are targeting. Which to choose, for what purposes, with what timing / frequency / intensity / volume, i don't know. But do you need to train with fast resisted concentric? No doubt yes!

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I agree with most things here, it is just a topic that has been over-analyzed.
Imho, the supra-maximal half squat(HS) is more GPP than SPP. And all rules that apply to supramax partials apply here too, it is that simple.
But there are the sub-max explosive variations, those are more 'jump-specific'. I will agree with you that absorbing the landing of a depth jump(DJ) is both more specific AND more 'heavy' than a HS, given the short time window you have to absorb the forces of the DJ. I will take it a step further and say that maybe the DJ is heavier by terms of load too, regardless the speed: If i remember correctly landing from 1m equals above 3 times your BW , so the equivalent load for a HS would be over 2*BW. No references or accurate numbers here, just rough approximations to give a sense of what we are talking about.
The concentric part of the HS is nor replicated in the DJ though. The DJ is an unweighted jump, while in the HS you still have the bar on your way up. But again the DJ is faster. So it is not about choosing DJ or HS, they are both very useful tools, the way i see it DJ is more speed-strength, HS is more strength-speed.
Another factor to consider ( and that is where adarqui's 3*BW chasing comes in ) is that some people have issues with full squats. Adarqui is one of them, whenever he tried going heavy on fulls he kept injuring his hip, that is why he changed to halves. But now we are talking GPP. Regarding GPP, kellyb also favors the full over half squat:

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/squatdepth.html

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I typically don't recommend half squats except for specific phases where the use of partials can be used to peak out strength. In my experience the average trainee who switches from half squat to legal depth squats will gain a near immediate 2-3 inches of vertical jump increase just by taking their squats thru a fuller range of motion, even with a significant lesser load. As a personal example when I first began training seriously I trained for a good 3-4 years performing half squats because I didn't know any better and half squats are what we were taught in school. When I learned what a legal squat was my poundages went all the way from around 300 down to around 185, BUT despite the significantly lesser weights I started making really good vert gains and gained quite a bit of muscle on my thighs. I've seen the same thing happen in countless other trainees.

But he also mentions there are exceptions:

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However, SOME people can't achieve legal depth without their lower back rounding no matter what they do. Many tall people fit the bill here. These people shouldn't push the issue. Just squat to whatever depth you can while maintaining your natural arch.

If you ask me, and i have been a GPP-half-squatter for a long time, the best bet is to use full squat for GPP , DJ for RFD and HS at limited time periods for peaking.

2c

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Awesome thread idea!!!  :highfive:

You should also make one discussing high bar vs low bar squatting.
And another one about squats making you slow. And weights vs plyos!

:derp:

2712
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: May 08, 2014, 03:15:03 pm »
8 May 2014

Bodyweight@session : forgot to check
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

10' jogging

Dynamic warmup

3 mins rest

TEMPO RUNS:
5x100m @ 80%
5 mins rest
5@100m @ 80%
5 mins rest
5@100m @ 80%
-1 minute rest between runs.
I was able to do them steady at 19-20 seconds. Got too tired at 3d set though, time got to 22-23 seconds.
I was paying attention to the turns, LBSS you were right, even at 80% effort i have to decelerate to take the turn.
So anything over 80m ( which is the longest straight line there ) is useless for ME sprints. No prob for tempos though, it is TUT that matters in that case.

2713
I know, it was a coding-geek joke in the first place, hence the  :uhhhfacepalm:.
LBSS knows too.
We are just fucking around.

:derp:

2714
you never do that when you're frustrated, vag?

a;oiwefj;awef;oijawef;oijawef;oijawef;oijawef;oijawef;oijawef;oijawef;oijawe;oijawef;oijawef;oij

No, never heard of that.
It's not like i am in the internetz for 20 years now ( literally, i was using it when web browsers didn't even exist ).
It's not like we are both in this forum for almost 5 years now so you've seen endless posts of mine with it.
It's not even like we have a rant icon that is self explanatory about @#$@#$%.

I genuinely thought that it was an encrypted coding riddle so i solved it.

Oh wait.

:trollface:  :P  :-*

2715
;alskdjf

I see the pattern here. You start with your fingers on [A] and [;] and do : type right - type left , move both fingers one key inside, 4 iterations.

Pseudo:
Code: [Select]
left_finger_pos = [A]-key
right_finger_pos = [;]-key

for( i = 0 ; i < 4 ; i++ ){
    pressKeyAtPos( right_finger_pos);
    pressKeyAtPos( left_finger_pos);
    moveFingerPosOnePlaceToTheRight( &left_finger_pos );
    moveFingerPosOnePlaceToTheLeft( &right_finger_pos );
}

:wowthatwasnutswtf:  :almostascoolasnyancat:  :uhhhfacepalm:

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