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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: $ick3nin.v3nd3tta what are YOUR stats and where do YOU compete
« on: July 29, 2011, 10:08:52 am »
The video about the cheetah and its spine is interesting
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: July 29, 2011, 07:11:43 am »
you never heard someone say he "boned out" as in he got the hell out? anyways, hope u get better
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: NBA Players Training
« on: July 29, 2011, 06:58:51 am »Loses argument.
Which argument?.
All I was saying was that having guys like Louie Simmons, Usian Bolt or the top conditioners on the planet on board in your coaching staff doesn't necessarily mean your going to start winning championships.
If Louie put 1000lbs on a average player's squat in the off-season, they ain't coming back no Kobe.However you'd think these trainers could teach a squat properly and know it's advantages so their reasoning would still be weird to me.
Cos most of them are already genetically gifted (for there position) with either height/spring/mass/strength/speed or a combo they already have in there arsenals to play the game.
That is STILL not the point being made in this thread. Post anywhere you want, but please just stop posting in here, you have somehow been counter-arguing my main points with completely UN-RELATED stuff for 9 PAGES NOW jeezus...
Funny thing is, everyone reading this thread seems to know what kind of discussion I'm trying to bring up, and what points I'm trying to make, EXCEPT YOU, ONLY YOU... It is not a difficult thing to understand.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: July 28, 2011, 07:27:22 am »
WTF?!?! LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL what a weird ass kid, boned the fuck out on his bike LOLLL
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: NBA Players Training
« on: July 27, 2011, 08:32:10 am »what im saying is that he is not overly athletic or explosive. think of it this way, his skills/bball iq are GREATER than his athleticism and his playing career is longer than iverson a more athletic playerto the original poster. Basketball doesnt really have a weight lifting environment. With football every body wonders your bench, squat, and power clean. With basketball if you can bump it in the post/jump really high/dunk/look jacked/quick/explosive/etc. than no one really worries about the weight room. Yes some people can do this without really training too much for it.
for example: this kid at a park i play ball at can: dunk all kinds of ways at 5'8, is jacked and is quick as hell. ALL WITHOUT TRAINING.
for someone like me, I have to train for that.
Also with basketball you have to remember the hours needed for practice and playing trying to gain experience. ITs not like football where you don't practice as much. If you have the option of improving your athleticism or basketball iq/skills and both are decent at the nba level, I would always go for the skill and bball iq.
No one mentions it but ANDRE FUCKING MILLER. He is not an athlete but he is a BASKETBALL player.
That's what I thought until I saw this a while back.<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etSJam5VgH8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etSJam5VgH8</a>
WTF, Andre Miller came in the NBA 11 years ago. Iverson came in 15 years ago. How does that mean Miller's playing career is longer. Iverson has had unarguably a WAY BETTER CAREER. Iverson would still be in the league if it wasn't for his ego. Not his reliance on athleticism. His skills nd bball iq > Andre anyways so it doesn't even matter.
People think athletic players are low bball iq, and slow and steady players high bball iq. If you have Derrick Rose athleticism, it's SMARTTTTT to explode all over the freakin court. If your Iverson quick, it's SMART to take advantage of it all the time. Doesn't mean their bball IQ/skills are not up to par.
Your bringing up a point everyone here including me has already confirmed, we agree skills > athleticism in basketball. BUT that is hardly the topic being discussed. Way to not contribute to the discussion at hand.
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: NBA Players Training
« on: July 27, 2011, 08:28:21 am »to the original poster. Basketball doesnt really have a weight lifting environment. With football every body wonders your bench, squat, and power clean. With basketball if you can bump it in the post/jump really high/dunk/look jacked/quick/explosive/etc. than no one really worries about the weight room. Yes some people can do this without really training too much for it.
for example: this kid at a park i play ball at can: dunk all kinds of ways at 5'8, is jacked and is quick as hell. ALL WITHOUT TRAINING.
for someone like me, I have to train for that.
Also with basketball you have to remember the hours needed for practice and playing trying to gain experience. ITs not like football where you don't practice as much. If you have the option of improving your athleticism or basketball iq/skills and both are decent at the nba level, I would always go for the skill and bball iq.
No one mentions it but ANDRE FUCKING MILLER. He is not an athlete but he is a BASKETBALL player.
Jesus Christ, are you telling me anything I don't know or haven't said myself?
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: $ick3nin.v3nd3tta what are YOUR stats and where do YOU compete
« on: July 27, 2011, 03:58:11 am »
J-DUB is annoying. $ick, you better not be gone for good cuz of him
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: NBA Players Training
« on: July 26, 2011, 06:45:49 pm »Take the strongest guy in the NBA.
Is he better than Kobe?.
I would argue that Joey Graham is at least as good as Kobe.
All jokes aside, you're response was simply amazing.
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: NBA Players Training
« on: July 26, 2011, 06:33:45 pm »it is a key factor to producing the force output required to become elite.
Yeah but there's so much more to becoming a complete player/athlete than squatting.
Mark my words, my man adarqui won't reach his goal of 47' through squatting alone. He will just plateau out at 40'.
He's need to do other things man, work on different area's then his gains will increase much quicker.
Nobody said squatting ALONE.
If Adarqui plateau's at 40 feet, I'd say that's impressive.
Regardless, squatting is not ALL he does bro.
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: NBA Players Training
« on: July 26, 2011, 05:54:31 pm »WHY WOULD IT BE VERY LITTLE?
Because there is so much more to increasing overall athletic performance.
Squatting alone won't make you elite.
Good God.
I would even argue, that squatting alone CAN significantly improve some NBA athletes. A lot of NBA players get a lot of basketball specific plyometric work and jumping work from there schedule. So being able to apply more force into those movements they repeat over and over on a daily basis will have them being more explosive in all of them. And that more force to apply will come from that 100lb+ squat.
Unfortunately, I have some work to do for class tomorrow, so I cannot post anymore in hopes of getting more hilarious replies from you.
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: NBA Players Training
« on: July 26, 2011, 05:45:09 pm »WHY WOULD IT BE VERY LITTLE?if no, why not?
It's like saying what would 100lbs+ do for running performance, sprint performance, soccer performance etc...
Very little.
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: NBA Players Training
« on: July 26, 2011, 05:26:02 pm »everything i mentioned above relates to producing more force relative to ones bodyweight, which means more power, which means better first step quickness, acceleration, jumping ability, change of direction, etc.
i explained to you how it would, now you explain to me how it won't? explain to me how adding 100 lb to ones squat would not benefit them athletically, given bodyweight & rep speed remains relatively the same.
But realistically I can't see how much an elite NBA player would gain by adding 100lbs to his squat considering since he can already play ball, run & dunk to a high enough standard which already possesses.
Even if it gave the elite NBA player a marginal improvement in athleticism, I believe he should do it. If he's a real competitor he would.
So realistically, you can't how an NBA player who by adding 100 lbs to his squat, can't get better, when it will make him quicker, faster, stronger, jump higher?
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: NBA Players Training
« on: July 26, 2011, 05:10:28 pm »I just thought he might be trolling, never thought of the possibility he might be high or drunk right now.
You never pulled back on the pedal stroke.
How do you know it don't work?.
I never said it don't work.
I conclude. The weight room won't make him that much a better player.
He can already play ball, run & dunk.
Weight room cannot make an NBA player that much better? Gotcha
Tell that to Brandon Jennings and Kevin Durant so you can limit their potential. Tell Dwight Howard his physical superiority over his counterparts did not come from his dedication to the weight room.
I know Dwight is naturally gifted, but he enhanced it by working in the weight room, because he didn't become complacent/satisfied, which lead to him being 3x defensive player of the year in a row.
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Topic Hall-of-Fame / Re: THE BEST THREADS ON ADARQ.ORG!
« on: July 26, 2011, 05:08:38 pm »
http://www.adarq.org/forum/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/nba-players-training/
Read through it all, if you want a good laugh!
Read through it all, if you want a good laugh!
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: NBA Players Training
« on: July 26, 2011, 05:06:12 pm »an increase in relative strength? the ability to produce/handle 100 lb more of tension? the ability to move previously intense weights at a faster speed due to the increase? the ability to voluntarily tap into more motor units? the possibility that significant hypertrophy has occurred? the transfer of this strength to jumping is very high considering the specificity of the exercise? the increases in testosterone/igf-1/hGH that has occurred during the process of such training, yielding plenty of benefits in not only the training itself, but the recovery process and overall arousal of the athlete for practices & sport?
Can't really see how this would make a player all that much better?.
He can already play ball, run & dunk.
He's already an accomplished athlete from what he's already doing.
I refuse to take that quote seriously anymore. You know which quote.
He can already play ball, run & dunk.
He's already an accomplished athlete from what he's already doing.