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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« on: November 16, 2013, 09:54:36 pm »
You must define the type of jump first though... and this should be a whole other thread.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« on: November 16, 2013, 09:18:53 pm »
It doesn't need to be more complicated than movement efficiency + horsepower + structure as far as vertical jump goes.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Chris' training journal
« on: November 16, 2013, 08:49:38 pm »
They look so quad dominant... I mean the depth jump IS quad dominant but they look SO quad dominant 
Have you tried to do them looking forward instead of down?
Have you tried to do them looking forward instead of down?
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« on: November 16, 2013, 07:43:49 pm »Yea I can believe that, could you bring up that evidence then?
One error I saw in the document I posted is the experiment they did with loaded depth jumps. They concluded that since athletes did not jump as high with a loaded depth jump it wasn't an effective exercise. Well we know that he ground reaction force will equal the mass of the athlete times gravity. The grf produced from a 3.5 drop landing can be matched with a loaded landing from a lesser drop in an infinite number of ways.
However on the concentric portion the question arises how the muscle-tendon unit differs in restitution the energy absorbed. Compare even further to a squat, I haven't seen research (haven't really looked though) examining how the energy restitution in the tendons differs from shock plyos, weighted plyos, and lifting
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/plyomyths.html
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Chris' training journal
« on: November 16, 2013, 05:29:29 pm »
Why do you smile after your first rep?
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: November 16, 2013, 05:25:04 pm »
How come you tell me not to do high bar yet you do it?
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« on: November 16, 2013, 11:16:45 am »
Back in the day it was believed that depth jumps do indeed do the stuff you're talking about. But recent research on the REAL plyometric ability and what that means refutes these claims.
There's nothing magical about depth jumps and the height of the jump. They're just a variation of a jump squat, except the fact that you're loaded on the excentric portion and unloaded on the concentric portion of the jump.
I can bring up these reasons as they're stated in VJB 2.0 if you want.
There's nothing magical about depth jumps and the height of the jump. They're just a variation of a jump squat, except the fact that you're loaded on the excentric portion and unloaded on the concentric portion of the jump.
I can bring up these reasons as they're stated in VJB 2.0 if you want.
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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: beast
« on: November 16, 2013, 07:40:07 am »
That's only because it's a low bar squat!
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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: beast
« on: November 15, 2013, 09:08:13 pm »
It's a really amazing video
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: November 15, 2013, 08:59:11 pm »
You're so right about this ^^^
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Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros / Re: Becoming a supple leopard
« on: November 15, 2013, 07:45:08 pm »
It's not because some guy in Crossfit said it - it's because if you look at most knee injuries (same as yes, back injuries in the case of the beloved deadlift) - they happen (ACL tears more specifically) when knee valgus is involved. Same with bent backs in the deadlifts. It's just regular physics, body structure and logic. Try to fight these in the argument you're making.
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Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros / Re: Becoming a supple leopard
« on: November 15, 2013, 07:01:19 pm »
You can say whatever you want to say but "efficient" is not the same as "good for safety and muscle building purposes". Maybe if you want to lift the most possible weight and win in your category as a WEIGHTLIFTER (not as an athlete that uses weightlifting to build muscle for his athletic endeavors) then yeah, you can go overboard with "efficient" and "unsafe" technique.
Would a guy trying to win his powerlifting event risk pulling with a bent back on a deadlift his final attempt? You bet he would. Would he be smart to try to do that continuously every day he trains? I don't think so.
Same here. Yes they will go to their max and allow the knees to cave in if that means winning the competition etc.
And no, just because 200 kg is their 60% 1RM is NOT easy for them. It's still very hard, even as a low % of their 1RM. It still might bring up some issues they have in maintaining proper form, even as elite as they are.
Would a guy trying to win his powerlifting event risk pulling with a bent back on a deadlift his final attempt? You bet he would. Would he be smart to try to do that continuously every day he trains? I don't think so.
Same here. Yes they will go to their max and allow the knees to cave in if that means winning the competition etc.
And no, just because 200 kg is their 60% 1RM is NOT easy for them. It's still very hard, even as a low % of their 1RM. It still might bring up some issues they have in maintaining proper form, even as elite as they are.
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Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros / Re: Becoming a supple leopard
« on: November 15, 2013, 07:49:24 am »
Yeah but you're taking extreme examples of maximal lifts and making them look like they're picture perfect. That's like taking my max deadlift attempt and say "look at this guy: he deadlifts his max with his back bent so therefore a bent back should be the proper form".
They get their knees in because they aren't able to keep them out due to going to their max. If they were able then they'd either lift more or not be at their max.
They get their knees in because they aren't able to keep them out due to going to their max. If they were able then they'd either lift more or not be at their max.
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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: Bobsled training and 60m times
« on: November 15, 2013, 07:44:29 am »
Both me and Nightfly trained with bobsledders and I remember they were doing some 20 rep sets.
