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30 min stationary bike

Moving the previous Tuesday workout to Wednesdays so that I get a full rest day before it. It's my "A day" for OAC strength work, so want to be fresher if possible.

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29-01-24

BW: 74.5kg

Seated Leg Curl
96x9 + 82x9 + 68x11 + 61x17

Cybex Hack
80 x 10, 10

HS Iso Inc
40 x 15, 13, 9

Inc Flye
15 x 13, 10

Panatta Lateral
65x8 + 55x8 + 45x8 + 40x6 + 35x5

New extension machine
60 x 10 [did not like this machine]

Cable OH Extension
30x10 + 25x8 + 20x7 +15x6 [prefer this to the machine I used in previous workouts, can get more stretch]

Dips
BW x 17+10+7

15 min x Incline Walk

Notes

Legs still sore from last workout, so was expecting this to be a bad session, but basically progress everywhere despite a new low weigh in, nice!

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30 min station bike today

229
27-01-24

BW - 74.9

Assited OAC
-20 x 1
-15 x 1
-25 x 2, 2, 2

20mm Grip Lifts
50 x 1, 1
55 x 1, 1
57.5 x 1
45 x 16

DB Pullover
27.5 x 14

Chest-supported DB Row
32.5 x 13

DB Kelso Shrug
32.5 x 15

DB Preacher
15 x 5
12.5 x 9, 8,8

BB Finger Curl
65 x 12, 9, 7

Abs

Notes

My adjustible DBs only go up to 32.5, but I don't mind doing higher reps for those things.

Making this Sat workout my "light" day re OAC, not allowing any meaningful rep slowdown etc, but rest the same as Tues.

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26-01-24

BW - 75.1

Leg Curl
96x9 + 82x8 + 68x9 + 61x10

Cybex Hack Squat
80 x 8, 7

Reverse Nordic
+8x7 + BWx5

HS Iso Incline
40 x 13
40x10 + 35x6

Incline DB Flye
15 x 11, 8

Panatta Lateral
65x6 + 55x7 + 45x7 + 40x6 + 35x6

OH Machine Extension
30x10 + 25x7 + 20x5 + 15x6 + 10x6

Dips
BW x 15+9+6

Treadmill Incline Walk x 15 mins @~140hr

Notes

Gym got a new Cybex Hack so did that instead of leg press, think I prefer it.

231
23-01-24

BW: 75.7

Assisted OAC
-20 x 1
-10 x 1
-20 x 2, 2, 1, 1

20mm Pickups
50 x 1, 1
55 x 1, 1
57.5 x 1
45 x 14

DB Pullover
27.5 x 13

DB Preacher Curl
15 x 5
12.5 x 10, 8

BB Finger Curl
65 x 10, 8, 8

Chest-Supported DB Rear-Delt Row
32.5 x 13

Miscellanious ab stuff

Notes

Dietary averages for last week - 2370 kcal, 155g protein

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: January 23, 2024, 07:33:30 am »
Overshot the cals by about 500 yesterday but woke up lighter. Weird.

Happens to me too! I usually attribute to one of two reasons: (a) sometimes being in a deficit can just lead to water retention from stress, and having a higher cal day alleviates that; (b) when I overeat, it's often because I've had less fibre/less satiating food and more calorie dense things, so there's just less mass in the gut.

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22-01-24

BW: 75.5

Leg Curl
96x6 + 82x8 + 68x10 + 61x14

Sissy LP
130 x 8

Reverse Nordic
+6kg x 8, 6

HS Iso Incline
40 x 11
40x9 + 35x6

Inc DB Flye
12.5 x 14, 11

Machine OH Extension
30x10 + 25x5 +20x5 +15x10 + 10x5

Panatta Machine Lateral
60x10 + 50x7 + 45x6 + 40x6 +35x6

Machine OHP
42.5 x 7 + 35x5

Dips
BW x 13+7+6

Notes

Felt sluggish going into this session, so did lots of drop sets to speed things up.

234
20-01-24

BW - 75.0

Assisted OAC
-20 x 1, 1, 1, 1, 1

20mm Grip Lift
50 x 1, 1
55 x 1, 1
40 x 25s hold

DB Pullover
27.5 x 10, 9+4

DB Preacher
15 x 5
12.5 x 10, 9, 7
10 x 16

BB Finger Curl
65 x. 11, 9, 9 + 60 x 5

Cable Crunch
50 x 10, 10
40 x 13

15 min stationary bike

Notes

Solid sesh. As noted, hamstrings and quads my sorest muscles from yesterday lol.

Everything after the chins done as a giant set where I just did whatever exercise felt ready, cba to record the exact sequencing.

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19-01-24

BW - 75.7

Seated Leg Curl
96x7 + 82x7 + 68x13 + 61x10 + 54x10

A Sissy Leg Press
135 x 5
120 x 5

B LP Calves
120 x 33
140 x 20

HS Iso Incline
40 x 10, 8
35 x 9

Incline DB Flye
10 x 19
12.5 x 13

A Cable Lateral
12.5 x 12, 10, 9

B Cable OH Tricep Ext
27.5 x 11, 9, 8

Future Lateral Raise Machine
9x10 + 7x8

OH Tri Machine
25x8 + 20x5

Dips
BW x 13+8+6

Notes

Even with this lower volume, my legs felt less recovered than upper body. Has been that way for a while. Didn't feel full strength on the leg curls or the leg press. Don't mind not having to do more, just noting the surprise element of it.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Raptor's log
« on: January 19, 2024, 06:21:18 am »
Very high heart rate after every set. After the squat sets I had ~165 heart rate with dizziness. Even while moving around in the gym after a few minutes my heart rate was ~135 or so. I need some input on how you guys have your heart rate immediately after 5-rep sets and after a few minutes.

I don't have data from a watch, but this lines up with my experience after near-failure sets on heavy leg things like RDLs/Squats/Leg Press etc.

237
17-01-24

Cardio -- 25 mins on bike, moderate then last min all out.

238
16-01-24

Assisted OAC
-10 x 1
-25 x 1, 1, 1

DB Pullover
25 x 12, 11

BB Row
90 x 10, 7

20mm Grip Lifts
50 x 1, 1
55 x 1, 1
40 x 15, 12

DB Preacher
15 x 4
12.5 x 7, 6
10 x 13

BB Finger Curl
60 x 16, 13, 9, 8, 6

Cable Crunch
45 x 12, 9
40 x 11, 8

Notes

Surprisingly back still kind of sore from Friday, and I think something from yesterday made my biceps sore, maybe the flyes? Surprising. Anyway, decent sesh.

239
15-01-24

Morning BW - 75.7

Seated Leg Curl
96 x 8 + 82 x 5
89 x 9 + 75 x 6

Sissy Leg Press
130 x 9, 9
120 x 6

45* Back Ext
+55 x 15, 11

HS Iso Incline Press
80 x 9, 7
60 x 15

DB Flye
12.5 x 13, 10

A Cable OH Extension
26.25 x 14, 12, 9
23.75 x 10

B Cable Lateral Raise
16.25 x 9
13.75 x 11, 9
11.25 x 11

Dips
BW x 12+7+5


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My understanding is that the science atm suggest that, while near/to failure is best for hypertrophy, staying <7 rpe is best for strength. So will try to a bunch of solid 1-3 rep sets at low RPEs on assited OACs, plus one harder single now and then to mark progress, and basically everything else done at 8-10 RPE.

that's interesting. at some point in the past 6-7 years i stopped nerding out on training research the way i did in my 20s. all other things being equal, hypertrophy=strength gains, so this is news to me. you got a reference? i'm curious.

Yeah was pretty surprising to me too, but has ultimately come to make sense as I've thought about it.

I think the basic gist is that long term, you obviously want to maximise hypertophy b/c bigger muscle = stronger muscle in general and for low-skill movements. But if you want to maximise strength-specific adaptations on a single movement, then you want the practice to be as useful and specific as possible. So you want every training rep to at the sweet spot of fast + heavy, so you keep the RPE/velocity loss pretty moderate. Then, since each set is easier, you can do more total reps that are both (a) use a heavy load and (b) involve moving the bar/yourself fast. So, more, and better, specific practice.

So in running terms, you're conflating the the utility of the general prep of hypertrophy (i.e. base phase) with the specific practice of strength training (i.e. sharpening workouts like 5 x 1km for a 5k). Or like, we know that gaining muscle from moderate rep squats will help your vert, but at some point to maximise that you need to just practice jumping. 1 x 10 squats is more specific to 1rm squat than jumping, but still less so than practicing singles.

This is the latest big meta-analysis on RPE in general: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/370837310_Exploring_the_Dose-Response_Relationship_Between_Estimated_Resistance_Training_Proximity_to_Failure_Strength_Gain_and_Muscle_Hypertrophy_A_Series_of_Meta-Regressions

It's relatively clear in showing that higher RPE = better muscle gainz on a per set basis, and also shows that you don't need to go to balls-to-the-wall RPE to max out strength gains.

This is the latest meta-analysis specifically on RPE/velocity loss for strength: https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9032/11/3/337

This is the key chart from the strength meta:



And yeah since I am in a fat loss phase, I'm not expecting to make any meaningful gains in back muscle, so I am happy to reduce my overall volume and do a bunch of "heavy easy" OAC sets in place of that work.

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