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Crazy Weird Analysis & Stuff :) / Re: GALLERIES: 40 Yard Dash
« on: March 20, 2010, 01:52:49 pm »
so his hips shouldn't be coming up higher when he brings them forward and up, about how high should they be going when trying to get to and maintain max speed, 90 degrees?

well they are pretty close to 90 degrees throughout the entire run.. his right hip seems to get to around 90 throughout, left hip doesn't. Could just be camera angle but I doubt it.

How high the knees get is going to depend alot on hip flexibility & acceleration style. Check these vids:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf12x5WSLN8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf12x5WSLN8</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf12x5WSLN8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf12x5WSLN8</a>

In the beginning, you see bolt getting his knees up higher than tyson. Then as they reach Max V, tyson's hips flex the least, bolt's 2nd, and asafa is #1 (highest knees).


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Crazy Weird Analysis & Stuff :) / Re: The Squat Thread
« on: March 20, 2010, 01:39:09 pm »
That is a very interesting topic , great work again Andrew!
Ive been in this dilemma many times...
I feel much better and stable on the half squat , and i can add weights linearly there.
In deep squats i seem to struggle in the hole , and i cant add weight linearly, it takes about 3 sessions with the same weight until i feel i can really add.
But everyone insisted deep is better so i kept trying to improve deep.
Many times i ended up doing naturally what you mentioned above... going very deep in warmups and gradually decreasing depth as the bar got heavier.

Ya that's why eventually I started half-squatting after seeing eddie's gains, but making sure I hit the walking lunges/stepups very hard. I had to stop doing stepups because my glutes were getting too big, it would aggravate an issue I have in my sacral spine.
wow, i hope we can all have that problem with the glutes

how do you feel about low vs. high step ups, like which do you like to use, and when, and why.  i feel like the higher the box the more likely it will become more hip flexor/quad movement



Well here are the variations i've used:

  • low stepups: ~12" box
  • normal stepups: ~18" box
  • high stepups: ~24" box


Keep in mind, a high stepup for someone who is < 6' might be around 22" though, we're looking at a <90 degree angle.

I implement normal stepups for the most part. In novices, I only implement normal stepups, but for intermediate/advanced, we take advantage of high & low.

In the preparatory phase, you'd use high & normal. As you transition to a peaking phase, you'd use normal & low. Low stepups of course allow for more weight, which can get pretty high for SL jumpers, so you have to be prepared & progress properly.

High stepups are hardly quad/hip flexor dominant though, if form is strict. A high stepup has similar joint angles between the hip & knee as that of a dip squat. The key is to push through the heel, actively pulling back the femur. If you let your femur shift forward, you will be attempting to overuse the quads in the movement.



As far as set/rep ranges, when trying to gain mass in the glutes/hams/quads, I prefer to do stepups using the same leg in a row, not alternating, for about 8 reps each leg. When trying to put on strength, we're looking at same leg OR alternating, using 3-5 reps each leg. When trying to produce alot of power without too much fatigue, I use only alternating stepups, of 1-3 reps each leg, singles would be done for a bunch of sets, max accelerationg of the heavy weight.

peace

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Bios / Re: Animals
« on: March 20, 2010, 12:37:02 pm »
greyhound looks a bit quad dominant...

were you kidding? :)

greyhound has big hamstrings on the hindlimbs, check it:


2003: Functional trade-offs in the limb muscles of dogs selected for running vs. fighting

The physical demands of rapid and economical running differ from those of physical fighting such that functional trade-offs may prevent simultaneous evolution of optimal performance in both behaviours. Here we test three hypotheses of functional trade-off by measuring determinants of limb musculoskeletal function in two breeds of domestic dogs that have undergone intense artificial selection for running (Greyhound) or fighting performance (Pit Bull). We found that Greyhounds differ from Pit Bulls in having relatively less muscle mass distally in their limbs, weaker muscles in their forelimbs than their hindlimbs, and a much greater capacity for elastic storage in the in-series tendons of the extensor muscles of their ankle joints. These observations are consistent with the hypothesis that specialization for rapid or economical running can limit fighting performance and vice versa. We suggest that functional trade-offs that prevent simultaneous evolution of optimal performance in both locomotor and fighting abilities are widespread taxonomically.




so, they have "less muscle distally", ie, the muscle belly is higher towards the origin of the bone, which means they have longer tendons, especially in their lower leg (ankles, ankle extensors specifically).

very similar to humans and elite sprinting.

peace

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: March 20, 2010, 04:31:00 am »
3/19/2010

felt weird all day..

yesterday before training, i had to help my grandpa do something, which "strained my heart" somehow.. felt real weird. so it gets a bit better I train, come back/ice etc.

I wakeup and my head/heart feel real odd... bad headache all day.. body very achy like im getting the flu.

odd

was going to rest today anyway but this definitely forced me to do it.

peace

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Bios / Re: Animals
« on: March 19, 2010, 11:19:10 pm »
whippet:



pitbull:



greyhound:






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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello
« on: March 19, 2010, 07:54:06 am »
i dno why but the post count thing just cracks me up

between me & you on tvs, it's 12,000+.


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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello
« on: March 19, 2010, 07:43:53 am »

Enough of this.

Check my post count on here versus yours.

OWNED.

It's like a powerlifting contest, you take TVS post count + adarq post count + db forum post count + WGF post count + evolutionary athletics post count, then come up with your total.

ok ok ill stop.

pc

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Crazy Weird Analysis & Stuff :) / Re: The Squat Thread
« on: March 19, 2010, 07:42:11 am »
If anyone finds anything on skelic/crural index & it's relation to squatting, please post.

I'm going to sleep :)

peace

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Crazy Weird Analysis & Stuff :) / Re: The Squat Thread
« on: March 19, 2010, 07:40:27 am »
http://www.assembla.com/spaces/talentid2009/documents/cN48bGVKer3OFEeJe5aVNr/download/0926BookinviteSelfSelectionofAthletesintosportsFinal.doc


The crural indexThe skelic index describes leg length in relation to torso length and is defined as the derived total leg length (stature minus sitting height) divided by sitting height.  These ratios are depicted in Figure 2. 



Crural index & long/high jumping:

Table 1. Here we show that while the computed somatotype components describe physique, the crural index (Davenport, 1933) represents an additional discriminant in describing physique variation across our adult sample.  A dominant crural index in classes 2 and 4 illustrates the importance of relative limb length in athletes trained for endurance and strength.  A smaller crural index may be advantageous for general agility, whereas a higher value may determine mechanically advantageous take-off technique in long-jump and high-jump events (Alexander, 1990) and in basketball, in tandem with development of commensurate muscle power to maximise femoral leverage Ackland et al., 1997).




Skeletal ratios
Significant differences in skeletal ratios are found between different types of
athletes even when differences in absolute body size are taken into account.
Marathoners tend to have a high skelic index (ratio of total leg length to
sitting height), that is, relatively longer legs. Distance runners also have a
higher crural index (ratio of lower leg length to upper leg length). Longer legs
reduce stride rate, and relatively shorter thighs mean that the resistance arm
on the upper leg is shorter. The muscle mass of the thigh is moved closer to
the axis of rotation of the leg, reducing the energy cost of locomotion. 



http://lib-ir.lib.sfu.ca/bitstream/1892/7871/1/b16962849.pdf
Anthropometric modelling of the human vertical jump

"A study of the proportions of animals of different species indicates that the
fast runners and jumpers are those that have long distal segments, such as
the horse, kangaroo, and the cat. The thigh segment of these animals is
short, ending before the segment leaves the pelvis or flank area The leg
segment is longer than the thigh; the foot segment is the longest, and the
toes are also quite long The animals described as the best jumpers have a
leg considerably longer than the thigh segment and therefore a large crural
index."




"Ross et al. (1982b) compared female high jumpers from the 1976 Montreal Olympic
Games to a group of Canadian reference females, and found that the high jumpers were
proportionally short in sitting height (in other words, proportionally long in the lower
extremities), and that the tibial length was also proportionally long. This supports the
notion that there is an advantage to having long lower extremities and a larger crural index
for jumping.
"






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Crazy Weird Analysis & Stuff :) / Re: The Squat Thread
« on: March 19, 2010, 06:54:39 am »
I found some other stuff, but I really want to find that high jump study.

Very good article: Physical Structure of Olympic Athletes


Some general differences:




Nice table of differences:




Bigger calfs in 400m sprinters:




High jumpers vs sprinters:




Nice table comparing white/black sprinters vs long distance runners:




Nice table comparing white/black sprinters vs basketball players:






Nice table comparing men & women:





Nice table comparing black & white athletes:







Weightlifters & Throwers:









arm leg & leg length of a bunch of events, white vs black:









obvious, but interesting:



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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello
« on: March 19, 2010, 06:52:41 am »
I thought I should drop in an introductory thread to announce my supreme being's presence here. You have all been blessed.

Well, not really, but somewhere in that area... :D

Welcome. Glad to have a "new" face around here.

Btw you're on the verge of exceeding my post count on TVS, which is really pissing me off.

!@)!@$()!@)%!@)%(!@

:F

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Peer Reviewed Studies Discussion / Re: Long jump, Triple Jump
« on: March 19, 2010, 06:43:39 am »
x. Mineral mass, size, and estimated mechanical strength of triple jumpers'' lower limb Bone

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Peer Reviewed Studies Discussion / Long jump, Triple Jump
« on: March 19, 2010, 06:43:10 am »
Post studies regarding long jump, triple jump etc.


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Crazy Weird Analysis & Stuff :) / Re: The Squat Thread
« on: March 19, 2010, 06:42:27 am »
That is a very interesting topic , great work again Andrew!
Ive been in this dilemma many times...
I feel much better and stable on the half squat , and i can add weights linearly there.
In deep squats i seem to struggle in the hole , and i cant add weight linearly, it takes about 3 sessions with the same weight until i feel i can really add.
But everyone insisted deep is better so i kept trying to improve deep.
Many times i ended up doing naturally what you mentioned above... going very deep in warmups and gradually decreasing depth as the bar got heavier.

Ya that's why eventually I started half-squatting after seeing eddie's gains, but making sure I hit the walking lunges/stepups very hard. I had to stop doing stepups because my glutes were getting too big, it would aggravate an issue I have in my sacral spine.


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Now what about leg leverages? i have no damn clue how to evaluate those, but im sure you do:
Are there any formulas , or ratio ranges or anything?
My height barefoot is ~72''
Height from toes to middle of knee = ~21,5'' ( 55% of leg height , 29% of total height ).
Height from middle of knee to hip joint = ~18'' ( 45% of leg height , 25% of total height ).
Obviously leg height = ~39,5'' ( 54% of total height. )

Hoping this ( actually not this , your reply to this, LOL ) might help other people too evaluating their leverages.



I actually had data on a few athletes, but I can't find it. I also can't find some high jumper study comparing femur length to tibia length. I am full of fail currently.

I will post my measurements tomorrow.

peace man

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ya possibly due to flexibility... warm up by front squatting lightly, or unracking the bar in a front squat position to warm up the wrists/forearms/triceps.

pc

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