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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: April 23, 2015, 04:17:18 am »
Haha, then we all agree. I eat the clean shit manic too though, and that is why i said it gets annoying/uncomfortable. I need to get this done quick, 'end the misery', so i rush.
FWIW, try adding some kind of homemade sauce. e.g. for chicken and rice, put in a cup 1 tbsp of olive oil, 1tbsp of mustard and 1tbsp of lemon juice, mix them and spill them all over the chicken, then take a cup (200g) of fat free Greek ( or any other nationality, idc :D ) yoghurt  and mix it with the rice. Still very clean, extra good fats from olive oil, extra 15-20g protein from yoghurt, but now the food, as we say here : 'slips down easier'.

I must have some Mexican junk next time i am abroad. We haven't got any of them here yet. We do have all the intl burger houses (Mc, BK etc ), the stake houses (maredo, block etc ), pizza ( domino, hat etc ), of course the local dirty delicious stuff ( gyros pita, souvlaki pita, google them if you don't know them, although i hear they are pretty popular abroad too  ) but not  Mexican. Me want!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: April 22, 2015, 10:15:31 am »
^^^

I also try to concentrate kcals and carbs post-training at gym days. At times it gets a bit hard/annoying to force-feed a 2K clean(ish) dinner but you get used to it.

8)

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: April 22, 2015, 03:52:26 am »
Hah, i am the exact opposite, I am a manic eater. Dunno about results, it is not that i made a mouth dropping recomp. Still too early. But yes, from what i've done so far ( bulks and cuts ) this one looks like the best deal, very happy with it so far. Curious to see how it continues. Fingers crossed here too.



21 April 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~85,25kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #17 , ( Week #7 )

HANG POWER CLEAN:
5@20kg
5@30kg
3@40kg
3@45kg
3@45kg
3@45kg
3@45kg
-Technique day. Very nice.

HALF SQUAT:
5@50kg
5@70kg
5@90kg
5@110kg
5@125kg
-Stayed at the same loads to get a better 'feel' of 125. It is still heavy.

BENCH PRESS:
8@60kg ( -2 reps )
7@60kg ( -1 rep )
6@60kg
Total = 21 reps ( -3 reps )
-Widened my grip a bit. I grip the bar with mid-palm at those smooth rings. I'd say it is a medium grip. I felt like it is too narrow for my long ass arms, involves too much of my (very strong ) triceps and takes away results from my ( very weak ) chest. So moved each hand ~3 inches out.
It sure felt more 'chest' this way, but i am not sure if my logic is valid. I am searching some info and it seems that the wider you go the less tricep you involve indeed.
Dunno, any thoughts/knowledge on that? Should i stay wide, or just go with the width that makes me lift the most ( medium )?

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
8@BW
6@BW
5@BW
Total = 19 reps
-Same reps with last time again. Stalled.

STANDING CALF RAISE:
30@BW+50kg
30@BW+50kg
28@BW+50kg ( +2 reps ) 
-Nice.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: April 21, 2015, 04:26:41 am »
Nope, on gym days i try to go ~500 above maintenance. My BMR is around 1900, my TDEE in a normal day is around 2200 , so my TDEE at a day of weight lifting is around 2500. So i eat around 3000. If TDEE rises more, so do the kcals, e.g. this Saturday that i trained more and also did other things throughout the day, my TDEE came up to 3000 so i ate 4000 ( was planning 3500 but got carried away, Saturday night pizza, yay! :D ). I also try to concentrate kcals and carbs post-training at gym days. At times it gets a bit hard/annoying to force-feed a 2K clean(ish) dinner but you get used to it.

In other news, i felt kinda shity yesterday, like semi-sick. No fever or other symptoms but this overall numbness and weakness. So i didn't train. And that makes it a third week in a row that the 'normal' plan has to be tweaked. FML!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: FP's Jump Journal
« on: April 21, 2015, 04:19:01 am »
Nah, kellyb preaches the opposite as a general rule too. Check all of his programs on his site, he has you do first some low impact plyo, then a speed-strength exercise ( depth jumps or jump squats usually ) and then the heavy squats.
In this specific article he talks about stimulation/potentiation techniques, used for peaking, how to get your CNS at a full-firing state at a specific moment. It is not about general strength training.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« on: April 20, 2015, 06:01:27 am »
Official...I has officially dunked on a 10' rim...
 :highfive:  To my surprise.... I am not overly happy...not shocked... not emotional...probably caz i had no PR in my previous 10 jump... and I am.. just not too excited......
I Don't Know why.

Because you did not really dunk, you dunked a squishy foam little ball which is cool and all but it does relate to dunking a size 7 basketball much ( if not at all ).


Before I pack up and leave.... I decide to just Go out and fool around.. jumping at the rim non stop in various stupid way....
AND GUESS WHAT!
Most of my jump.. without... focus or concern of footwork, mechanic have produce similar or slightly lower reach than my so call... FOCUSed Jump.

 :uhhhfacepalm:

This.. this is really...fuxked up... All my months of t00day method, forcing myself to take the Proper, Long stride, lean forward, staying low with Increasing speed, explosive arm swing...
Left..... Right..... left-right plant  Up in the air....

are just... the same shxt as Me fooling around non stop Jumping like a clown?


Did it occur to you that EXACTLY because you worked so much on getting the jump technique down good, you have achieved it and now you can do it without thinking much?
That is EXACTLY what you are trying to accomplish with the toddday method, get proficient in jumping, so all your jumps will be efficient.


Imho , you are still very prone at trying to find "secrets" and "revelations" all the time. There are no secrets. No crazy conclusions can be derived from each training.
Relax, stop thinking and keep training, as you see it works, and it works good!

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Track & Field / Re: Rio 2016 T&F standards
« on: April 20, 2015, 04:15:46 am »
I am always amazed by the medium distances ( or is it long sprints? ) if you brake them down:
1:45 800m is 8 consecutive 13.1s 100m.
3:36 1500m is 15 consecutive 14.4s 100m.
13:25 5000m is 50 consecutive 16.1s 100m. 50! non stop!! 16 sec each!!! are you fucking kidding me???

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Loopie's Log
« on: April 20, 2015, 04:08:42 am »
How is your jumping coming along those days? Everything looks great, lifts improve, regular bball, BW in check, vert should improve too.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: April 20, 2015, 04:07:11 am »
Thanks. I go around 500-700 under TDEE. That includes the cardio days too. So at bball day that TDEE comes up to 2800-2900, i will eat ~2200. On a total rest day TDEE will be around 2200 so i eat 1500-1700.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: April 18, 2015, 11:19:05 am »
18 April 2015

Bodyweight@session : 84,5kg , first time under 85kg in 2015  :wowthatwasnutswtf:
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #16 ( Week #6 )

HANG POWER CLEAN
5@20kg
5@30kg
3@40kg
2@50kg
1@60kg
0@65kg
0@65kg
0@65kg
0@60kg
2@55kg
3@50kg
-60 went up nice. 65 wouldn't.

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
MSEM:
1@90kg
1@95kg
1@100kg
1@100kg
1@100kg
1@100kg
-Wanted to do 1 or 2 105 but 100kg were heavier than i wanted so stayed there.
MEBM:
20@65kg
-Brutal. Struggle is mostly mental after rep 12.

BB OHP:
9@40kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -3 reps )
6@40kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -2 reps )
5 @40kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -1 rep )
Total = 20 reps ( -6 reps )
-Expected drop from weight-up, wanted a couple of reps more.

BENT OVER DB ROW:
10 each hand @ 36kg
10 each hand @ 36kg
9 each hand @ 36kg ( +1 rep )
Total =  29 reps ( +1 rep )
-One more rep and then it is the 40s.

SEATED PAUSED CALF RAISE:
15@55kg ( +5 kg )
15@55kg ( +5 kg )
15@55kg ( +5 kg )
-Got all reps but i sense i lost a bit of ROM so will redo this weight.

Diet-pan looks like it is going great. On a slow but steady weight loss despite force-feeding over 3000kcals each and every gym day.
Looks like i have maintained, if not added, all muscle mass despite the weight loss. Lifts are on a linear progress, I look bigger AND leaner.
A successful re-composition? Now that would be awesome. Not celebrating yet, patience, let's see how it goes.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: FP's Jump Journal
« on: April 18, 2015, 06:04:00 am »
What are the best weight room exercises to stimulate arm pumping during sprints or jump windups?
I don't know, but you shouldn't do that in the weight room. Best way to get better arms efficiency at sprints and jumps = sprint and jump more.
So are you suggesting I don't do any upper body work at all in the weight room?

For god's shake NO. I made a point against windup-movement-specifity exercises. Of course you should work out upper body. Whatever you do will work, pick a bunch of exercises and a reps/sets scheme that you like and progress it. Bench, pullups/chinups, OHP , rows, the usual stuff. Just keep a push/pull balance. For example one day do bench ( push ) and pullups ( pull ). The other OHP ( push ) and rows ( pull ).



Should I be trying to do my squats as fast as I can? I remember reading that faster squats translated to better vert gains.
No. You are doing squats to get stronger, so speed is irrelevant. Then you will want to express that bigger strength faster, so you will need to train RFD. Many ways to do that, one of them ( probably not the best though ) being fast squats. But you are at the first case now so don't bother.
Do I really have to choose between RFD and strength? Can I not do both?

For god's shake NO again. Of course you could ( and should ) train both limit strength and RFD. My point was not to turn squats to speed(ish) squats, it would possibly compromise both, they would most probably be too light for strength training and too heavy for RFD. There is a time and a place for them too of course, but that would not be now imho. So do both but no in one drill. Do a fast exercise first and then your normal squats. That is a very common tactic, not only you train RFD, but that first fast exercise also potentiates and warms you up great for the 'slow and heavy' squats. Fast could be : jump squats, REA squats, speed squats, explosive box squats, push press, power cleans, power snatches, depth jumps, whatever you like.



Finally, a note: Your RDL is way too weak compared to your squat. Also RDL is not like full DL, you can bump the volume up a bit, don't ramp up to a heavy triple, keep doing sets in the 6-8 reps territory. But heavier than 135, 3x8 at 160-180-ish should be very doable for you. Start with ~160 and see how it goes.
Well, I believe the problem with my RDL is almost entirely with my grip strength. During my last workout I held on to 205 as long as I could (which I get is abysmally weak grip). I tried RDL again today and the only place it really felt challenging was my forearms. I don't really see a point in continuing with these small weights that aren't going to transfer to optimal gains (for my glutes and hams) because of my grip strength.
So for the time being I'm just going to stick to GHR's, hip thrusts and BSS and train my grip strength separately. Then maybe once I have well-developed forearms I'll transition to RDL's.

I hear you. I do have grip problems with RDL too. FWIW, it catches up fast, if you stick with it for a while. Straps are cheap too. But GHRs and BSS are awesome exercises that work great too, so suit yourself.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Eric's Journal
« on: April 18, 2015, 05:45:41 am »
Haha, ok, makes sense now. If you know the total distance it is fine. Around 15 minutes sounds like a reasonable starting pace for 1,5 miles. Don't predetermine and worry about times though, just go and set a challenging but not exhausting pace just like LBSS said and see what you get. I don't know about the daily distances, 1.5 mile seems to low. Since the goal is total kcals, you need more 'TUT'. So building up to bigger distances is building up to more burned kcals. Long walks also work wonders. I think LBSS suggestion is very well rounded, stick with it.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Eric's Journal
« on: April 17, 2015, 05:56:04 pm »
18 laps is a mile so 27 is a mile and a half

a 55 second pace per lap will put me just under 15 minutes

Something went bad in those calculations.
18 laps can't bee a mile, that would be less than 100 yards per lap. But then the 55s/lap doesn't make sense, it is way too slow.
Also 55s/lap for 18 laps is 16m:30s, so whatever distance those 18 laps are, the 'just under 15 minutes' you mentioned also doesn't add up.

:derp:

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or you are the most committed, beautifully subtle troll i have ever seen.

Hah, i've thought of that too.
If he was a troll , he would have been the most perfect one, preserving his hidden identity even after he has succeed, only so he may repeat it again and again.
 


seifullaah73, both me and acole were being sarcastic.
You are exhausting, not only all your planning is totally wrong, but you also won't hear whatever people advice you.
Either you get too defensive or, at best, you apply a couple of the advice elements for a couple of weeks and then roll back to your thing.
That is why after some years of training you are not progressing at all.
Again, if you can, please don't see those lines above as a personal attack but as an intense attempt to get you on the right track.

If i were you, this is the program I would be doing:

Day 1 : Squat : 4x8 , 3 mins between sets
Day 2 : 7 days vertical jump cure routine ( it is abs and glutes and stretch )
Day 3 : Sprints : 2x5x100m , 3-5 mins between sprints, 10 mins between sets.
Day 4 : rest or day 2.
repeat.

ONLY THIS. No accessory, no plyo, no power, no p-chain, no short sprints, no long sprints, nothing, only squat and run 100m.

Not even kidding. Power training at <BW squat strength and acceleration/top speed drills at >14s 100m is a joke. Zero in, build a base, get to 100kg squat and 13s 100m, then we can talk about specificity.

That is my final attempt here, good luck!

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Acole, you forgot to add the negative effects of lactic runs ( which is anything above 60m ). We don't want the endurance adaptations to make us slow twitch muscle fiber machines. 35m FTW.

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