http://wgfforum.llsint.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=62
that thread ruins athletes
people have been derailed for years because of that thread.. it is evil.
if you want to see some real good dialogue on iso-extremes, check these threads:
- ldiso questions:
http://wgfforum.llsint.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=638- attended evo-sport seminar:
http://wgfforum.llsint.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=671colbert/others get blasted in those threads.. those two threads helped break a few people out of being brainwashed.
I have been up all last night and finally finished reading EVERY single post in the thread and I have to admit it was probably the most interesting and thought provoking thread I have ever read in my life.
ya, most everyone has that reaction.. but what you don't realize in that thread, is that most everyone who has been "trying as hard as possible to master iso extremes", has been doing so to no avail for years. Furthermore, james colbert is basically a fictional character with no credentials and no real experience.. he claims it took him years to master iso extremes, then when he finally did, within a month he put on like 10 inches on vert and gained 20 lb muscle, or some stupid shit.. Plus, he thinks athletes are capable of max sprinting 100% every single day and 1RM lifting every single day after you master iso extremes.
First of all, I dont for one minute buy into all the magical claims of the isos and blah blah blah.
good, those iso extremes are utter bullshit.. iso extreme lackeys buy into them because of jay schroeder's claims.. if you read the call em out on here about jay, you'll see his claims verbatim in quotes, such as doing depth drops from 20 feet or 80 year olds deadlifting 700 lb every day for months etc..
The intriguing part to was if they could really be used as such a good recovery method that many of the posters were talking about. I have read about the "extreme stretches" as used in DC training, Parillo, etc. and it seems that they might have similar properties. The one thing that no one mentioned in this thread was the possibility of hyperplasia occuring from the stretched positions. I realize the extreme stretches differ alot from what the Schroeder guys are claiming the isos do, but seem very similar in SOME of the positions. Another confusing part to me was why not reach times congruent with hypertrophy/strength protocols, then add load?
well, RJ brought up a good point about kaatsu and iso extremes, so their seems to be a correlation between the hypoxic environment created with 5 minutes straight of blood occlusion if a "contraction were to be held that long", but really no one has hypertrophied to any significant degree using them, or actually improved anything.. everyone "feels faster" when doing iso extremes, but if you try and bend a spoon long enough with your mind, you might actually think you bent it a little too
I mean that would seem to make the iso much more effective from a strength OR a stretching/ shock to the whatever the hell they think they are shocking that is eliciting these awesome hormonal and neural changes they are claiming. We all know that an isometric done at the weakest joint angle carries over to the stronger joint angles as well, so wouldnt this make perfect sense to do shorter duration/ heavier loaded isos once a baseline level of competence has been reached?
ya, that's my point and other's point on ldisos.. but that's what WGF does.. WGF uses loaded isos, such as say iso lunge with barbell.. james colbert and folk say that you can't possibly work the correct muscle patterns by loading the ldisos, because then it becomes a form of 'yielding isometric', which in fact "they arent" (lol) they are in fact "maximum velocity eccentrics by pulling yourself into position and thinking about the sporting environment without even flinching" (lol).
I also would have liked to have heard more from RJ as he seemed to be responding well to them as far as what type of strength increases and speed gains he may have made. I know he said he felt better recovery but that could easily be from the similarity to the pnf stretches if not much other gains were made. If so I would really like to hear about them.
he stopped, as well as most everyone who has done them.. the only people who have kept doing ldisos for years have absolutely nothing to show for themselves (unfortunately) other than the ability to hold a position for 5 minutes.
iso extremes are full of shit and that thread should be deleted from the internet..
chris K, if you are reading this, I would gladly delete that thread for you.fuck i hate that thread lol..
james colbert basically got run off of charlie francis's forum for preaching the iso extreme bullshit, but nobody bought it there, everyone laughed at him including charlie & james smith.. so he found WGF and made it his home, completely transforming the enhanced inno sport WGF forum into a pile of dogshit iso-extreme forum.
peace man
ps: check out all of my challenges to james colbert in those threads i linked, not one was answered.. i actually do wish they worked as claimed, but they dont, and the people pushing them are full of shit.. not to mention they try to get you hooked on ARP.
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