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i don't get it, teh cloud 9 free throw dunk it looks like his head is at the rim when he's about to dunk it and he was still going up till a little b4 he was about to dunk it, is it the camera or what????

Quote from: Tam on July 03, 2010, 05:25:50 pm

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6TY0Ojkybk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6TY0Ojkybk</a>


Don't know if that would count as "regular people" lol

doesn't seem like much camera angle distortion in that vid, i mean rim could be a little low or something.. but it looks legit in terms of cam angle at his peak.

man whatever happened to cloud9? i mean, someone who pulls off dunks like that and he just disappears? I know dunking isn't a real profession but there is money/video to be made heh.

weird.

http://www.higherverticalnow.com/ , you must give your email to access the main page.

There is a good long video from A-Link there , analyzing jumping form.
Its mostly technique for SLRVJ , the 2 real examples are also 1-foot jumpers , but he insists many points are the same for 2-foot jumpers too.
It also looks like its gonna be a 4-vids series there , released gradually.

Sure worth a look , let me know what you guys think...

Yeah, I saw it earlier, it had some nice info in it and I liked his graphical analysis. Everything he said about their technique was pretty solid.. as far as double leg jumping goes, I think there is ALOT more variability in the runup/plant that is acceptable for max jumping, ie, so many different plants/plant depths, rotation, and level of lean etc.

peace

Maybe he should photoshop a few things and that's it...

that whole situation still bugs me..

I have analyzed my jumps/bounds/2-leg bounds frame by frame yesterday and discovered a few things:

1) I don't get "deep enough" on my two-leg bounds so I think I put mostly quad in them (since I bend at a 1/4 squat position); I need to focus on getting deeper.

2) I don't completely hip hyperextend... I use just a short burst of hip extension and then stop it. If Bret Contreras was right, pulling the heels at my butt (flexing the knee) improves your ability to hip hyperextend by 5%, so that's interesting. I need to work on both more, hip hyperextension and heel-under butt pull and then leg extension forward to land further;

3) I don't use my arms like I could/should. I need to extend them and use the momentum they create.

nice analysis there.. to learn to completely hip extend, sacrificing performance on the exercise initially will happen.. it's something you really have to focus on, but it'll result in less distance & the jumps feeling very weird at first.. I prefer to completely hip extend on the warmups, where i'm not really concerned with distance, i'm more concerned with getting the movement right.. once im ready to do the worksets I just go all out though, hopefully it kicks in

as for going deeper, if you can handle bounds very deep you would be VERY strong in your plants for jumping.. my legs do crumble if I try and land real too deep in bounds, so I usually just go with what is natural.. it's similar to depth jumps for me, when I land too deep everything buckles.. so that is definitely something worth working on - get strong in those positions and it will have alot of transfer over the entire ROM.

peace

  After reading about every single thread on the internet regarding Jay Schroeder and his current stance on ldisos (all of which stemmed from trying to find a fucking video clip Ive seen in the past haha), I have come to the conclusion that he has developed a mental disorder, shortly after Adam entered into the NFL.

I would have to agree with that, except, I think he had one long before Adam entered the NFL.. The level of his lies are what strike me as "insane".. Those lies cannot even pass for "white lies", they are on a level of fantasy and lunacy that far exceeds rational and logical thought.

  Its beyond me how someone could have the amount of training knowledge he has, have produced training means that actually were effective (before the ldisos), and want to ruin it all by turning into a nut.  I mean, he was the first one I recall doing alot of the weighted drop and catch exercises, weighted isometric pauses (the way I saw them done on the vid), and  seems to actually have had an effective system PREVIOUSLY.

Right, I can't figure that out either.. The only thing that makes sense to me, is that whatever "brain disorder" he may have, he began to believe his own lies and associated them with his training idea of iso extremes.. For example, "he saw his wife become a champion powerlifter months after a car accident and all she did was iso extremes", so that weird ass delusional lie somehow created a link between success and the iso extremes... Now do that for all of his other insane claims and link those together, he just ended up believing it somehow..

You know, like these out of shape clients dad's you run into who claim to have run 4.3x 40's back in high school or college.. well, they've been telling themselves they've run 4.3x for 20+ years, so now they actually believe it.. if you were to ask them how they trained to get to that 4.3x, they would concoct some kind of system that they would completely believed to have resulted in their success.. so something along those lines happened to Schroeder.. He seems to be one of those guys.. I mean he claims 4.3? or 4.4? 40 yard dash, champion powerlifter, and all kinds of crazy shit.. I have no doubt he saw these insane acts of strength/power that he claims, but, no one else has, he in fact saw these acts in his mind.. they did not happen..

JackM said it best, Schroeder is borderline schizo.. This statement might very well be accurate.

  Pushing that stupid machine and his new religion of only ldisos and other wierd stuff wouldnt make him nearly as much money as putting out quality training videos, quality templates, and personally using his credibility he gained through the Archuleta performance at the combine to train a massive amount of professional athletes.  The only conclusion I can draw from it he developed a mental disorder somewhere along the way and is in no way firing on all cylinders now.  I mean this new trash hes preaching cant possibly be only for monetary gain or he would surely have taken the route I suggested above.

You bring up a great point... I have absolutely no answer to that question, other than he must firmly believe iso extremes do what he preaches, but man we just all know they don't... Somehow he believes it though and it's become some sort of cult-like training ideology.

Its actually kind of sad to me because I appreciate people bringing less traditional methods like the weighted drops, catches, etc. that he used in the past to our attention.  Sadly he has ruined the good he did in the past by misleading people in the present.  So yea, the dude has a mental disorder in my opinion.  He knows way too much about training and physiology to say the things he does publicly and make the ridiculous claims he does otherwise.

ya man, great post.. i too am disappointed he has gone this route.. I'd love to see him snap the fuck out of it and get back on track.. stop hugging the nuts of this lame ARP/iso extreme bullshit and get back to what he preached pre-archuletta. One of his interns basically put together inno-sport which was modeled after alot of what Jay Schroeder was doing back then, so that's about as close as you'll get to some kind of pre-insanity schroeder training ideology.

shit is so confusing man i agree.. possibly more confusing than Alan Barch Jr aka SquatDr.

Quote from: Joe on July 13, 2010, 09:54:40 pm

Well, Marian Woronin ran 9.992, but that was rounded up to 10.0.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Woronin

A half-white half-aborigine guy ran 9.93. I do not know if that counts though.

the aborigine was what i was talking bout, forgot his name tough

ya i don't think aboriginies count as white.. my opinion

if i did 9.992 and they rounded up i'd probably strangle the guy who did it hehe

haha, same here.. thats evil, 9.992 is 9.99 those sons of bitches.

Quote from: adarqui on July 13, 2010, 06:42:41 pm

Quote from: Natho on July 13, 2010, 03:48:06 am

my best broad jump (well only time i done it was last year) was 2.85 metres  ~112", I want to start recording it again and hit 3m......................THAT VID ANDREW POSTED UP WAS CRAZY!

nice 112" aint bad, get that 120+.

ya i love that vid

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The broad jump seems to use a fair amount more glute (hip extension) and less quad (knee extension)

yup, as you go from vertical to horizontal, contribution of hamstrings/glutes increases, quad contribution decreases.

so if you have a big vert and not a big broad jump then you know your quads are the strong suit..am i right?

well, if you practice both skills often enough, and have proficiency in each, then yes that would be an indication of a better vert than broad jump.

broad jump is highly correlated with sprint speed, that's where it comes most in handy.. low broadjump? more often than not, low speed.

so Adarqui that means you might be have strong quads and not as strong glutes

well, my glutes are actually strong, it's my hamstrings that are weak as kittens... your theory would have merit if it weren't for my HORRIBLE svj.. my standing vertical jump is probably worse relatively than my broad jump.. but really that comes down to my being "reactive my whole life".. i never just generate force as fast as possible from "nothing".. i would always precede it with a run up, drop step, or some kind of movement to get my those muscle groups turned on.. i lack explosive strength without significant pre-loading (impact etc)

but yes my quads are definitely my strongest "asset" in terms of power.. calfs would be strong on the reactive strength side..

in order, my strong points would be:
- quads
- calfs
- glutes
- hamstrings

good observation though.

peace man

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bicep: 12" (greek=15.9)
vmo: 15"
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