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MUSiC anD SHeeT! / Re: What Are You Listening To Right Now?
« on: September 29, 2013, 08:24:30 am »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ8LNxuEGcw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ8LNxuEGcw</a>

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« on: September 27, 2013, 01:34:36 am »
Maybe you could do smolov or something for squatting. It'd be great to get a higher squat but if you put on weight you're going to negate the advantages of having a higher squat- as far as for sprinting.

Edit- It'll be sweet seeing a vid of you guys training together. I wish I could train with people from here.

i'm not talking about racing up to see how fast i can catch KF at 210. i'm talking about a conscientious bulk where i actually focus on diet and muscle/strength gain as a goal. i feel like if i gained 10 pounds while doing something like smolov, i'd be squatting four plates in no time. 405/185 is a better ratio than 360/175. this is not an immediate plan, just something i've been ruminating on. it's actually holding me back from switching gyms, because as unused as the squat rack seems to be at the JCC, smolov or some other squat-centric routine is a dick move when there's only one rack. 10x3 takes a long time. OTOH, basketball court.

Yeah in that case there's no harm in just going for it.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« on: September 26, 2013, 11:07:23 am »
Maybe you could do smolov or something for squatting. It'd be great to get a higher squat but if you put on weight you're going to negate the advantages of having a higher squat- as far as for sprinting.

Edit- It'll be sweet seeing a vid of you guys training together. I wish I could train with people from here.

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400m Sprinting or Shorter / Re: Sprint Videos
« on: September 26, 2013, 09:27:06 am »
Since this thread has kind of turned into a discussion on development there's actually a competition going on in Australia atm called the Athletics Allstars. Basically it's a search for Australia's Fastest Man but it's also based upon potential because the aim is they want the sponsorship winner to compete in the 2016 Olympics Final.
http://www.athleticallstars.com.au/category/athletic-allstars.html
https://www.facebook.com/athleticallstars
http://www.youtube.com/user/AthleticAllstars

But yeah basically it's come down to 3 sprinters-
Tim Leathart
Andrew McCabe
Jarrod Geddes

This video talks about the 3-
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=611924525525932&set=vb.172900612761661&type=2&theater

I honestly wouldn't know which one to pick to sponsor. Geddes is the youngest and lankiest but he's also been training since he was very young. Andrew McCabe is a hard worker and quality 200m runner but he's already pretty built and doesn't have the acceleration for 100m. If it's about 100m I wouldn't pick him. Leathart is the oldest but he's also come along way in the past couple of years progressing from 10.93 PR in 2009 to 10.24 in 2013. Although he's older his training age probably isn't that much higher than Geddes so it's an interesting one.

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400m Sprinting or Shorter / Re: Sprint Videos
« on: September 26, 2013, 04:48:57 am »
Interesting on the Patrick Johnson story.  I find it a little hard to believe to be totally honest.  In some ways the story seems to suggest he was truly green, didn't know how to use blocks or spikes and ran a 10.47.  If that's true.... well then I can only say his coach surely doesn't deserve any awards.  I honestly can't see how someone who doesn't run can only record a PB of 0.5 seconds after years of training when compared to their first race.   Was the first race accurately timed?   People who truly don't run don't have enough speed endurance for the 100m.  They ACTUALLY get tired toward the end of the race.   The story talks about him racing people since he was 13 years old.... Just how "new" was he?   In Asafas case he was actually somewhat of a chubby geeky kid, rather than an athlete who just hadn't yet sprinted in an official capacity.  Either way I have always been in awe of Patrick Johnson, truly a great athlete.  His wikipedia page curiously lists him as the oldest man to run under under 10 seconds....  Despite the fact that Linford Christie did it while two years older than him in 1992 and 37 year old Kim Collins just did it recently.... I won't change it though.

I was talking to my cousin who has a PB of 10.08 and he still runs 10.2s at 32 years of age. His dream was to play rugby but despite his speed he never made it into the NRL or any professional leagues. Anyway I asked him how fast he was when he started sprinting again and he said he was running around 10.7s/10.8s electronic at 21. My cousin did do athletics when he was younger but not that seriously and his main focus was always on rugby league until about 19. I know another guy who has a PB of 10.50 he's 25 now. He has state records for 100m in U16- 10.85 and U18- 10.62. The other state record holder that I've mentioned on here before is this Asian guy called Derek who has a 100m PB of 10.84 and his state U14 record for 100m is 11.53. The best juniors don't always turn into the best sprinters, which is what that whole video was suggesting. Also it's a lot easier to improve from say 13-12 seconds than it is from 12-11. It than becomes a whole lot more difficult to improve from 11-10.5, let alone 10.5-sub 10.

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400m Sprinting or Shorter / Re: Sprint Videos
« on: September 26, 2013, 01:04:48 am »
As far as Patrick Johnson times.
That's a transcript from 2003
http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2003/s933058.htm

In 2013 he had a long interview talking about his life. Skip to 22.21 minutes where he starts talking about when he first started sprinting.
http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/08/28/3835543.htm

Given his longevity in the sport it certainly makes sense that he was able to sprint until his late 30s at a competitive level because his training age didn't match his chronological age.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pZPNTroJf0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pZPNTroJf0</a>

I'll concede that Asafa Powell was definitely a lot more talented than his time suggests especially if he was chubby. Throw in a favourable wind and that 11.4 could've easily been an 11.2. I also agree with you that the genetic factor is overblown. It takes time and patience as well as hard work, dedication, and a little luck to make it sprinting. Luck in the sense of avoiding injuries and peaking at the right times. Talent alone just isn't enough.
 

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400m Sprinting or Shorter / Re: Sprint Videos
« on: September 25, 2013, 07:56:38 am »
In individual sports you can shine out or in sports that are predominantly based upon athleticism e.g American Football. However, most sports around the world are team sports and athleticism doesn't really play as big a part as skill does. Don't get me wrong if you have 2 guys with equal skill than athleticism will most likely be the deciding factor. Although, take sports that are globally popular like soccer, rugby, cricket etc. In all of those sports there are all development pathways. If you don't get in the development pathway early it becomes really hard to cement a spot later on in life. If you're a freak like that American ex-track athlete who runs 100 in 10.13 FAT or whatever than you might get an opportunity to play rugby 7s or whatever later on in life based of your potential. Yet 99% of players are never going to have outstanding athleticism like that so they depend on the pathways and the system to get into professional sport. Thus, being born later in a year is going to be a disadvantage in comparison to being born earlier in the year.
Another huge factor that gets neglected in team sports is the players you have around you. If you're surrounded by good players and playing in a winning team you're always going to stand out better than you would playing in a team of less talented players. E.g you're a striker in soccer. You could be a brilliant striker but if you're playing in a bottom team you're not getting as many opportunities to score goals as you would if you were playing in a stronger team.

The Aussies on this forum could also attest to the fact that lately there's been a lot of mature age AFL players getting recruited. Everybody in the public and the commentators all question how these players couldn't possibly have been spotted earlier on. Yet like I just explained it's easy for talented players to go through their sporting life unspotted if they're not in the development system. You can have all the talent scouts in the world but if those talent scouts are only checking out the top teams or players in the top leagues than there's always going to be a few diamonds in the rough that slip through un-noticed until they persevere long enough with their sports to shine and eventually pick up spots in feeder leagues to get noticed.

As far as an untrained 11.4 goes I wouldn't say it would turn heads. If the coaches knew about his brothers and family than they would give him a shot and think he's probably got a lot of untapped potential. But if you went to a track meet and just saw somebody running 11.4 for the first time you're not going to think that they are ever going to run 9.7s one day. In comparison the first time Australia's fastest man Patrick Johnson ever competed he ran 10.49! He went on to run 9.93. Like you've said before some athletes peak when they're 18 others peak when they're 35 it's impossible to tell when somebody is going to be at their best.

Well USA has 300 million people and say 10% of them descend from West African roots. That's still 30 million. The laws of probability favours there being more talent in the USA than Jamaica. Aside from culture,  the other factor to consider with USA is that it's not the best environment for track. The southern states like Cali, Florida, and Texas are a production line for elite and world class sprinters. Go up North to places like Chicago, New York, Baltimore etc. you're not going to get the track times because of the conditions- cold, wet and snow.  Geographically Jamaica has better weather conditions for track than the majority of the USA does.

Edit- That's what I like about track though. It's objective. Sure you're racing against other people but at the end of the day if you're a recreational athlete than it just comes down to you against the clock.

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400m Sprinting or Shorter / Re: Sprint Videos
« on: September 24, 2013, 12:06:21 pm »
^^^true, true. reminds me of the gladwell-popularized fact that most NHL players are born in the first third of the year. the theory goes that kids born earlier in the year tend to be older for their grade or division than kids born later in the year. the 9 or 10 months can make a big difference when you're little, so early-birthday kids are overselected for competitive teams because they're just bigger and stronger and more coordinated than kids younger than they are. path dependency takes over and the relatively younger kids never make up the gap.

or so i comfort my november-born, always-one-of-the-youngest-kids-in-the-class self.

Yeah I'm born in October so I was always playing against the older kids. In basketball it was always beneficial for me when I was in 2nd year of my age group because playing with older guys made me a better player than the majority of the 1st years who were coming up as 1st years even though they were born only Jan/Feb 1991 instead of Oct 1990. The downside to it was that I was playing district in U14s already by the time I was 11 while I had friends who were 10 and born in April still playing district as 2nd year U10s or 1st year U12s. 
I was lucky in athletics though because the cut off was actually September (just before the season starts) so I was always the oldest in my age group, which was beneficial for me. I think they've changed it back to January for age groups but at that time it was September.

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400m Sprinting or Shorter / Re: Sprint Videos
« on: September 24, 2013, 11:11:16 am »

The Jamaican sprinting success comes down to one coach and one athletic club. Stephen Francis and MVP Track & Field Club have taken unknown athletes and made them the world's best. Nobody was a star before they came to MVP. The key to the success is the ability to spot potential when it does not manifest in current high performance.
Bad judgment about people's potential is often caused by "high performance blindness" -- the idea that current high performance automatically equals high potential. But the crux of talent identification can be boiled down into one sentence: "What you see is not what you get." To spot real potential you must be able to look beyond what you see right now. As Stephen Francis puts it:
"Identifying potential is not about looking for what you see. It's about looking for what you could see".

God that video is ridiculous.   A bunch of crap so that guy can sell more books.  MVP trains on grass AND a really nice track.  Also, really... Jamaican sprinting success comes down to one coach and one club?  I wonder what Glen Mills and Racers would have to say about that.  They are only responsible for um... sweeping the 200m and going 1-2 in the 100m in London...  Not to mention that since the 1970s and the days of Donald Quarrie and Merlene Ottey the Jamaicans have a history of continued success in the sprints and when you factor in the size of the country a really astounding  pattern of dominance on the world level.....

Pretty much whenever you hear that success comes down to "THIS ONE KEY NON-INTUITIVE THING"..... there will be someone trying to sell you that secret key ingredient...  Not surprisingly, the narrator is a motivational speaker who wrote a popular book on what makes people successful with the ridiculous title of "Leader DNA".   His next round will be a bunch of crap about the secrets to athletics.   People love to believe their is some large secret to success apart from hard work, talent, and resources.

Genetics certainly comes down to it no doubt. However, there are parts of the video that I agree with. Go to any junior development program throughout the world and they'll focus on the best athletes at that age judged upon their times or their height at the time. I seen it growing up in basketball. Guys that weren't even that good and were tall only coz they had hit puberty a few years before everybody else. You could see they had facial hair and were solidly built already and they were still only 12 and 13. 5 years later they're tweeners when their whole life since U10 they've been touted as Australia's next best Centre. The trouble with these programs is that they regurgitate the same players year after year so if you're not in the state team by U12 by U18 it's still going to be pretty much the same team as it was in U12 because coaches have already invested so much time and resources into these players they don't want to let them go. By the time these players are in state league they've given up on basketball or they are out playing D2 or D3. 
Of the guys I know from my state that are playing professional basketball atm none of them were in a state team except Yan who played state since U16s as a bench player. 2 of the starters of the state team every year in that cohort from U10 to state league don't even play basketball anymore. In contrast you've got a guy like Adam Doyle who couldn't even play in D1 in juniors let alone a state team, yet now he's a development player in the NBL. With guys like Adam who persist with the sport sometimes it pays off but a lot of the time it won't, and the players end up quitting basketball and playing footy or just quitting sports altogether.

Usain Bolt is a freak. He could coach himself and he'd still be a world class athlete. I got a lot more respect for coaches like Charlie Francis and Stephen Francis who take guys like Ben Johnson and Asafa Powell from being mediocre sprinters to world class athletes. In terms of Jamaican sprint success it also comes down to culture. Track is their number 1 sport so their are a lot more opportunities for talent to be exposed. Even cricket is big in Jamaica and that's initially what Usain Bolt wanted to be- a cricket player. However, he wasn't that good at it and his coach obviously saw his raw speed so pointed him in the direction of track. Who knows if Usain was a great cricketer when he was younger maybe he wouldn't of even pursued sprinting. Personally I think USA has a lot more sprinting talent than Jamaica does it just doesn't get expressed because people there are playing other sports or are too busy being gangsters. West African countries like Sierra Leone, Mali, Liberia, and Senegal are going to be the next big talents in sprinting once they overcome poverty and civil wars in their countries. I think the point about the track and resources was also one about making the most of what you've got. Those West African countries I just mentioned have populations less than 10 million but all have National Records in the 10.0s and 10.1s. Imagine if the majority of their populations weren't living a struggle to survive, soccer wasn't their national sport, and they also had the access to  physios, doctors, sport scientists and exercise physiologists etc.

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MUSiC anD SHeeT! / Re: What Are You Listening To Right Now?
« on: September 24, 2013, 08:59:33 am »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnGe8isdKkQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnGe8isdKkQ</a>

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Rankings
« on: September 23, 2013, 07:12:24 am »

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Nice :highfive:

I hope you're talking about joining the club and not my knee haha!

Seriously though, now that there's a decent number of guys here competing (you me avishek todday seifuullaah, maybe LBSS if he's interested in branching out a bit), we should start a times thread to keep track of where everyone is. The site's great obviously but one thing it's lacking is a bit of competitive spirit. Having a bit of incentive to improve on the leader's board would be fun. Everyone could use some extra motivation to keep improving!

Yeah I was talking about you competing in track :P

That's a great idea with the times thread. We could have a couple of categories, such as an electronic one that consists of 60, 100, and 200. Than have a hand time one of 30, 60, 100, 200, 400 or whatever. We could also include times of season bests and personal bests. Than people just update their results generally and the page gets updated once people break their PBs or SBs etc. Than have the names ranked by fastest times or something. 
E.g Layout

                           ELECTRONIC
                          Distance- 60m
Name     Personal Best       Season Best
ranked by times

                         Distance- 100m
Name     Personal Best       Season Best
ranked by times


                         Distance- 200m
Name     Personal Best       Season Best
ranked by times

Edit- Just seen you updated the post. The Nightfly style layout is cool as well. If you start a thread I'm keen!


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Nice :highfive:

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400m Sprinting or Shorter / Re: Sprint Videos
« on: September 19, 2013, 12:03:39 am »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l5epQxAQOs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l5epQxAQOs</a>
The Jamaican sprinting success comes down to one coach and one athletic club. Stephen Francis and MVP Track & Field Club have taken unknown athletes and made them the world's best. Nobody was a star before they came to MVP. The key to the success is the ability to spot potential when it does not manifest in current high performance.
Bad judgment about people's potential is often caused by "high performance blindness" -- the idea that current high performance automatically equals high potential. But the crux of talent identification can be boiled down into one sentence: "What you see is not what you get." To spot real potential you must be able to look beyond what you see right now. As Stephen Francis puts it:
"Identifying potential is not about looking for what you see. It's about looking for what you could see".

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: September 18, 2013, 09:47:38 am »
Yeah there's so many shit gyms in Australia. All these Jets and 24/7 gym franchises are popping up everywhere and saturating the market. It wouldn't be a bad thing if they had good equipment. Except they don't have equipment all they have is a bunch of machines and free weights that go up to like 30kg in increments of 5kg. You're lucky to even find one of those franchises with a bench press let alone a squat rack. Anytime Fitness seems to be alright but once again it's a similar environment with everything crammed into a small space with no staff, yet with superior equipment. I go to Goodlife now. I used to go to Fitness First but all the Fitness Firsts in Adelaide got acquired by Goodlife. Thankfully they haven't made any radical transformations and have kept most of the equipment as it is.
I can't really complain that much about my gym. It's pretty good but there's definitely more treadmills and cardio equipment than weights. We got 2 bench presses, 1 incline bench, 1 squat rack, and a Smith Machine. We also got a Cable Crossover. Dumb bells go from 2.5kg all the way up to 50kg in 2.5kg increments. As far as plates there's 1.25, 2.5, 5, 10, 15, 20 (as it should be). All the basics are covered. Got quite a few machines but I train pretty simplistically so I don't use them much. All in all it's a fairly good gym. The only thing I hate about it is the atmosphere. There's hardly any bodybuilders or strong lifters it's mainly fat people and cardio bunnies.
Once I get my license back I'm going to start going to Southbound. http://www.southboundfitness.com.au/about.html

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