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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: October 10, 2013, 09:45:08 am »
Quote from: entropy on October 10, 2013, 09:21:27 am
Because legs have to support that extra bodyweight. Athletically/relatively speaking it's worse, but for the purposes of getting stronger, it's better to be a 200kg fatty squatting 200kg than a lean 100kg one, because the 200kg fatty's legs are moving 200kg bw + 200kg bw.

Put another way, if I squat 140kg @ 90kg, then drop 3kg of bodyfat, i can now squat 143kg @ 87kg by maintaining the same load on my legs. But if i'm only squatting 140kg @ 87kg, then i've gotten weaker than I was at 90kg.

Nah that logic doesn't work out. Imagine how much more potential the guy at 100kg has. If the 100kg dude bulked up to 150kg and the 200kg fatty lost 50kg down to 150 the lean 100kg dude would be miles stronger than the fatty. Same as the guy squatting the same absolute weight at a lighter bodyweight is stronger than the heavier guy lifting the same absolute weight.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: October 10, 2013, 09:09:22 am »
Quote from: entropy on October 10, 2013, 07:02:21 am
BW: 194.5

Blah. I love how I tried to lose weight actively thru september and failed, struggling to string together even a pair of days of compliance. And in october when i'm actively trying to maintain my bodyweight, i'm finding myself naturally eating clean and at a deficit this whole week. So i'm dropping bodyweight even though I don't want to, and ideally i would have liked to get a 140kg FS @ 90kg which is better than 140kg @ 88kg which is where i'm headed :( The reason I want 140kg @ 90kg rather than 140kg @ 88 is because it's i'm stronger when squatting the same weight + 3kg of extra bodyweight! It gives me a better chance of getting 150kg @ 75kg.

Abs feel less sore and painful today than yesterday. Hopefully they'll be fully recovered tomorrow, would like a strong workout to end the weak.

 :huh:

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: October 08, 2013, 08:19:57 am »
Quote from: entropy on October 08, 2013, 08:15:19 am
Quote from: Mutumbo000 on October 08, 2013, 08:05:58 am
I wouldn't bother training calves. You'd get more benefit just spending that time playing basketball or even just dribbling at home if you don't have access to a court. Once you start running again your calves will also get a bit of a workout.

Thanks, i agree with you on dedicated calf training. Here are the potential benefits of doing heavy barbell raises -

1. Get used to having a supramax weight on the back
2. might help with core stability by challenging the whole body to stay rigid while supporting a heavy weight
3. CNS training effect, PAP
4. preparatory work for one day when I do heavy ass (180kg+) quarter squats
5. strengthens dorsiflexion which is important for stability and control in deep ATG squatting

but the problem is, if i dont really believe in something, i wont do it. i mean i might do it once or twice, for me do it regularly i really need to believe lol and i'm not sure i do right now

i agree with you that when playing basketball regurlarly and running i'll be working them pretty good. wish i was but i really need to get my squat goals out of the way, i'm sick of waiting

Well if you've got the time there's probably no harm in doing it than. I do abs literally every time I go to the gym and it probably has even less carryover to anything than calves but I do it because I don't mind spending the time doing it. If you feel the same way about calves than just go for it.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: October 08, 2013, 08:05:58 am »
I wouldn't bother training calves. You'd get more benefit just spending that time playing basketball or even just dribbling at home if you don't have access to a court. Once you start running again your calves will also get a bit of a workout.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« on: October 03, 2013, 03:43:59 am »
Looking pretty lean! Nice arm veins!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: The PR's/PB's, videos, pictures, and daily achievements thread
« on: October 02, 2013, 10:19:45 am »
Quote from: LBSS on October 02, 2013, 10:05:05 am
mutumbo what the fuck is going on in the screen behind you.

Music video. My gym is like the Planet Fitness of Australia.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: October 02, 2013, 09:43:21 am »
I can't really help. When I was younger I played heaps of basketball but because I'm short (5'11) I was always a guard so I never really had to deal with much contact when I played. At rugby I'm small (180lbs) and even at my level the average weights is around 200lbs for backs and 230lbs for forwards. Only difference between the size at my level and pro level is that our forwards are 240lbs with 20-25% bodyfat while a professional will be 240lbs with 11-15% bodyfat. Point being I don't go looking for contact or go looking to run at people haha. 
Even though I don't really like contact it's inevitable because you got to play D. I just go on with the attitude of going at 100 miles an hour and shoulder charging them or grabbing them and using my momentum to tackle. Most of the time I'm lucky that when I tackle forwards I get to come in from the side and get them from behind because they've made a break. For me there's no worse feeling than standing next to a ruck standing still with forwards eager to get the ball and charge at you. I pretty much just act as a speed bump. Players that have played the game since they were young or who are great tacklers just have the attitude of I don't give a fuck. Instead of acting like a speed bump they'd do what your supposed to do and aim for the legs but I've seen heaps of concussions from that so that's why I just aim high.
For me to improve as a rugby player I should stop being a pussy and practice tackling with the right technique and start going for legs. So that's really a combination of technique + attitude and mindset. Also what's preventing me from playing is size. I live in Adelaide so I can play first grade at my size but if I moved to Sydney I'd really struggle to play in a first grade team unless I bulked up to 200lbs. Ever since I started running again at the start of the year I've sort of lost my motivation for rugby and now I just want to be a fast runner. But yeah if I was to become as good a player as possible at rugby those are the things I got to do.
So for you I'm guessing it's mainly about mindset and attitude since you've got reasonable height. You're weight is on the skinny side but even if you were 220lbs you'd still have the same issues as you're having now until you change your mindset and practice imposing your physicality.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: The PR's/PB's, videos, pictures, and daily achievements thread
« on: October 02, 2013, 09:24:06 am »
Quote from: Raptor on October 02, 2013, 09:16:13 am
Do you always bench with your elbows going out to the sides like that? They should move under you, like in a dip.

Yeah I always bench like that. Never had any injury problems with it.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: October 02, 2013, 09:12:26 am »
Quote from: entropy on October 02, 2013, 09:02:46 am
^ see my post just before yours, not talking about skill but strength

Strength is exactly the same as what I've just said before. It's a pretty common expression in rugby 'Big for nothing' or 'Looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane'. The guys that lift the most weights aren't always the hardest hitters on the field. When I first started playing pretty much every guy that looked like a bodybuilder played like a pussy to the point where we got an import from Sydney who was a massive gym junkie but had played first grade club rugby in Sydney and professionally across Europe. Anyway when I first saw him in the change rooms I expected him to be a shit player just because he looked like a bodybuilder. Anyway as soon as we started training obviously I realized he was a great player and later found out about him playing first grade and all that before.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: October 02, 2013, 08:10:20 am »
Basketball is a sport that's a bit like BMX and Gymnastics in the sense that you have to start from a young age and practice it a lot to be a great player. Like everybody else has said the athleticism you're talking about is a mixture of lots of practice + natural ability and talent, which you're never going to be able to replicate by lifting. All you can really do is practice and play as much as possible. Sometimes you see players who have deceptive athleticism, which just comes down to all their years of practice. Sure they're not fast or anything but they still manage to be able to get the job done because they have a great crossover or a powerful drive that compensates for their lack of speed. Pretty much all the Corner Backs, Safety's, Wide Receivers and Running backs in the NFL would be more athletic than NBA guards. However, if you put them on a basketball court the guards would be the ones that appear more athletic even against most of those NFL players that have a background of playing basketball. Skill specific.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: The PR's/PB's, videos, pictures, and daily achievements thread
« on: October 02, 2013, 04:07:47 am »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3AuvvUwkKM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3AuvvUwkKM</a>

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Squats vs. Performance
« on: October 01, 2013, 07:06:21 am »
How can it be a 'competing motor pattern' when squatting has absolutely nothing to do with sprinting. If you go out and run lap after lap and do a lot of middle distance and long distance running/specific training for those events than I could see speed suffering- Speed will suffer because your body is compensating for endurance. However, I just can't see how going to the gym and doing a few sets of squats a week is going to affect, let alone deteriorate your speed.

Like I said in my earlier post if you think squatting isn't helping than don't squat. The results are the ultimate judge not how much you can squat.


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400m Sprinting or Shorter / Re: Sprint Videos
« on: September 30, 2013, 10:57:02 am »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKMa_wWH4LU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKMa_wWH4LU</a>

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Squats vs. Performance
« on: September 30, 2013, 10:55:30 am »
Quote from: Joe on September 30, 2013, 10:31:20 am
Quote from: Mutumbo000 on September 30, 2013, 08:16:31 am
Lifting won't do anything for top speed because that's mainly genetic.
"The squat becomes a poor measure of strength at maximum velocity. At this speed an athlete must exhibit extremely brief powerful single leg ground contact and the squat does not accurately predict their ability to produce power in this movement".

However, I believe squatting does improve your acceleration and can improve the start of your races, which will end up making you a faster runner. I was reading a book about Ben Johnson and Carl Lewis called 'The Dirtiest Race in History'. In the book it said even as far back as 1981 athletes were commenting on how impressive Ben Johnson's strength was in squatting. Back than in 1981 Johnson was running 100s in 10.8, however, he was leading a lot of faster guys than him in races up to 50m but just couldn't maintain the speed. He was always a brilliant starter and I attribute that to his natural strength and squatting. Ben Johnson didn't like cleans so he didn't do cleans. Same as Michael Johnson allegedly didn't do squats preferring lunges, so he did lunges. A guy like Linford Christie lives and dies by the squat believing it's an integral part of a sprinter's training. Same as Asafa Powell believes strongly in weights. But than you'll have other guys like Kim Collins who once again claim they don't even lift.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmv65yElP8A" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmv65yElP8A</a>

Point being if you like an exercise and think it benefits you than do it. If you don't like it or think it doesn't benefit you than don't do it. The ultimate judge is always going to be your performance on the court, field or track that counts, not what you can do in the weight room.

I'm pretty sure Charlie Francis said that Johnson squatted 600x6 (not sure on depth) and benched 450.

http://www.charliefrancis.com/community/showthread.php?19380-Ben-Johnson-Squat-1rm
http://www.charliefrancis.com/community/showthread.php?19380-Ben-Johnson-Squat-1rm

I think the book said he was squatting around 500lbs in 1981 (actually it could've been 1984- either way it was years before his peak) and he was also benching 170kg (373lbs). He was definitely a strong dude.  At the 1984 Olympics he had an altercation with Lennox Lewis the boxer. Lennox put him in a headlock and Johnson managed to throw Lennox over his shoulders onto the pool table.

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Squats vs. Performance
« on: September 30, 2013, 08:16:31 am »
Lifting won't do anything for top speed because that's mainly genetic.
"The squat becomes a poor measure of strength at maximum velocity. At this speed an athlete must exhibit extremely brief powerful single leg ground contact and the squat does not accurately predict their ability to produce power in this movement".

However, I believe squatting does improve your acceleration and can improve the start of your races, which will end up making you a faster runner. I was reading a book about Ben Johnson and Carl Lewis called 'The Dirtiest Race in History'. In the book it said even as far back as 1981 athletes were commenting on how impressive Ben Johnson's strength was in squatting. Back than in 1981 Johnson was running 100s in 10.8, however, he was leading a lot of faster guys than him in races up to 50m but just couldn't maintain the speed. He was always a brilliant starter and I attribute that to his natural strength and squatting. Ben Johnson didn't like cleans so he didn't do cleans. Same as Michael Johnson allegedly didn't do squats preferring lunges, so he did lunges. A guy like Linford Christie lives and dies by the squat believing it's an integral part of a sprinter's training. Same as Asafa Powell believes strongly in weights. But than you'll have other guys like Kim Collins who once again claim they don't even lift.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmv65yElP8A" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmv65yElP8A</a>

Point being if you like an exercise and think it benefits you than do it. If you don't like it or think it doesn't benefit you than don't do it. The ultimate judge is always going to be your performance on the court, field or track that counts, not what you can do in the weight room.

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