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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: February 01, 2016, 04:49:24 am »
Diet update

Friday:
2200 kcal / 125g protein / ( TDEE even )

Saturday:
3200 kcal / 225g protein / ( 500 kcal surplus )

Sunday:
1800 kcal / 100g protein / ( 500 kcal deficit )

Also did some body measurements:
BW 87,5kg from 85,5.
Waits 91cm from 90cm
Average BF from scale and internet up to 17,5% from 17,25.
Added 2kg in 1 month. Although that is too much, LBM / BF added ratio is around 3:1 which is by FAR the best i have ever recorded.
However:
A) You can't trust those measurements anyway.
B) Latest measurement was Sunday morning so i am sure there was some extra glycogen and water ( and maybe food ) inside, measurement was skewed.

Anyway, forgetting the details, the general tendency of my ( much fluctuating lately ) bodyweight is going up. Gotta stabilize it. Doesn't make much sense as the total caloric week balance is deficit. I should be at least maintaining if not losing. Maybe my TDEE calculation is off, but i doubt it. I use the MyFitnessPal calculation that gives ~2300kcal on a non-workout day. Then adding 500kcal for gym workouts. Or maybe the eaten kcals calculation is off but i highly doubt that too.
Whatever, it is too early, gotta let it settle. I am restricting calories this week as planned. TDEE-even on workout days, at least -500 all others.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 31, 2016, 05:18:17 am »
No hex bar, no straps  :uhhhfacepalm:
I will have to get the straps though soon, i see grip stopping my progress way before legs. I could do them with a barbel but again it is not so convenient to set it up at this gym.
Using a bench for back foot. I see the point about barbel, much better tool for a rotational axis. Will give it a try.
How do you feel  about barbel forward lunges instead of BSS? Is it much of a compromise?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: January 31, 2016, 05:09:11 am »
LBSS: Never knew that, interesting. I knew it meant post script, it means the same here, but here we use counting for more than one. Classic error, translating your language to another one directly, it doesn't work like that.

T0ddday: Great point about the shoulder hyperextension. Something similar happens to spine. ESPN dealed with it at some time at this sports science series IIRC. It differs from person to person too. But even at the same person, each part of the body hyperextends/lengthens differently during the violent act of jumping, giving different maximum vertical displacements. Scientifically speaking, the 'true' vertical displacement your legs are able to provide should be measured at a point below the spine, probably in the pelvis.

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Iphone 6s does have high frame video, don't expect huge differences though, when you are between , say 24 and 25 frames at a 30 frame video, the 240 frames will only tell you it was 24,3 , no big deal. The other errors in that measurement ( knee angle at landing, horizontal displacement ) are more significant.
You can always use the hangtime as an indicator, but stick to the highest touch for accurate measurement.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 31, 2016, 04:46:32 am »


This is much cheaper that tickets to the US.

:P

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: January 30, 2016, 12:23:40 pm »
About the hangtime-vert calculation, i have studied it a bit at some time. With experimental data too ( measured jumps filmed at 120fps ).
My conclusion is that you need to add the flatfoot vs on-tip-of-toes measurement, which would be around 5''.
That brings your specific SVJ to around 35'' , which agrees to the VJB SVJ calculator AND to the heels height that i see.

PS1 : That has nothing to do with the knee bend though, listen to the pros, you could make it even higher.
PS2 : Here is the link to that 'study' i did : http://www.adarq.org/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/about-the-hangtime-based-vertical-jump-calculators/
I think i reposted it here? or was it another journal? Sorry if i am repeating myself, i think it will ease your 'low' SVJ frustration.
PS3 : Nothing beats the 'highest touch - standing reach' measurement, obviously.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 30, 2016, 10:38:24 am »
30 January 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~89kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY'S GPP

Week #2 , workout #6

SUPERSET 1 - SQUAT ++ OHP:
6@80kg ( +2,5kg ) ++ 8@40kg ( +2,5kg )
6@80kg ( +2,5kg ) ++ 8@40kg ( +2,5kg )
6@80kg ( +2,5kg ) ++ 8@40kg ( +2,5kg )
6@80kg ( +2,5kg ) ++ 5@40kg ( +2,5kg ) ( -3 reps ) + 3@40kg push-press
-Awesome. Very strong at both, especially OHP. Expected to need much more push-press but was only needed for the last 3 reps of last set.

SUPERSET 2 - BSS ++ PULLUPS:
8 each leg @ 18kg DBs ( +2kg per hand ) ++ 7 + 1
8 each leg @ 18kg DBs ( +2kg per hand ) ++ 6 + 2
8 each leg @ 18kg DBs ( +2kg per hand ) ++ 5 + 3
8 each leg @ 18kg DBs ( +2kg per hand ) ++ 5 + 3
-Strong BSS but grip endurance is beginning to complain.
Used the complementary reps for pullups. When i can get 4x8 without fail i will use complementary reps to get to 4x10.

SUPERSET 3 - RDL ++ LEG RAISE:
20@45kg ++ 20
15@65kg ++ 18 + 2
10@85kg ++ 16 + 4
5@105kg ++ 15 + 5
-Used slant bench for leg raises. Also used complementary reps. Felt much more burn in the abs.

STANDING CALF RAISE MACHINE:
15@BW+95kg
15@BW+95kg
15@BW+95kg
-Will be doing calf work the days that i don't do speed half squats. Was too heavy, should have started lighter.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 29, 2016, 05:56:59 am »
I'm glad to see you making gains.  I think 8 weeks on this program and you should be able to lift your previous non-fatigued maxes at which point you will be stronger and leaner than ever before. 

8 weeks is a tough bet. PRs are about 10-15kg away currently.
E.g. squat : i am at 4x6@77,5kg now, PR is 3x8@92,5. RDL: top set is 5@105kg now, PRs are 15@100kg / 9@110kg.
On the other hand, plan was to do that ~3 months so ~12 weeks, so i've got another 10. If i add 2,5 kg every 2 weeks ( which is pretty conservative ) i'll be there.
Will sure be interesting as always to chase them PRs , and i'll chase them hard.

Great info/tactic about the speed squats too. I'll adjust my reps/loads to that.



28 January 2016

1½ hours full court bball.
Same story with last time but amplified : Legs very tired, to the point of actually hurting. Max effort jumps feeling like 90% of a road to a quadricep tear. Achieved heights low ( ~28-29'' max ).
However, legs always ready to fire, this low max jump was ready and loaded the entire game time. Minimum reaction time, minimum fatigue. Got some very impressive blocks and offensive rebounds. Even had the guys cheering at a baseline volley-spike block. Feels nice. I am sure it is the HIIT weight-lifting by now. Makes me salivate at the prospect of how it will be 3 months later.

Nutrition :
2000 kcal / 160g protein / ( 800 kcal deficit )

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 28, 2016, 03:31:52 pm »
Ah , very enlightening!!!

- First I noticed that you were doing power clean AMRAPs.  I would have told you to stop this and never do it again but it looks like you figured this out on your own (Sometimes the best coaching is sitting back and letting your athlete figure out a few things on their own :)).   I don't really like the idea of doing anything AMRAP - but it is especially senseless for a dynamic and dangerous move like the power clean.  It's just a way to get really fast at back driven speed reverse curls at best or at worst get injured.  You can't avoid everything crossfit does because they do so much but anything that's a crossfit staple is usually not a great idea...  As far as the suggestion of band squats for reps - I do want to clarify what I meant better because maybe I wasn't clear.    I wasn't suggesting band squats with an AMRAP protocol - although if you were going to do it it would be the least bad because you essentially fly through band squats until you dont - at which point the rep becomes so slow it's pretty clearly stopping time...   Rather I was suggesting timed reps.  So for example you do 10 reps with 135 + 100lb bands to a box and do it as fast as possible (or stop at 20 seconds).   Doing 20 reps in 30-40 seconds with a challenging weight will be a rhythmic 2 second rep (with a prescribed ROM from the box) and simulate the lactate response you get running 200-400m.   In the winter time when athletes cant/won't run outdoors this is a great substitute.  If you absolutely can't do band squats don't sweat it - it looks like your playing full court basketball which should provide some lactate stimulus. 

I should have not used AMRAP as a term. I am doing AMRAP-in-30-seconds, what is the name for that, reps for time? Having seen your band squats video that is what i tried to mimic. So yes, it is rhythmic fast half squats for time. I get 20 reps in 30 seconds with 50kg and 15 reps in 30 seconds with 80kg, so 1.5 / 2 seconds per rep respectively.
I didn't even try the HPCs, by the time it was their turn it seemed such a stupid idea that i didn't even bother.
I will move the speed halves after normal ones instead the end of the workout. I will do them once weekly, every Monday, which is a perfect week split ( bball is on Thursday ).


As far as the RDL's it's not ideal simply because of the effect of fatigue on RDLs vs Glute Thrust.  As you discovered when doing the workout out of order - order matters.  Squatting is done first because squatting with accumulated fatigue is extremely hard and slightly dangerous.   I much prefer hip thrusts to RDLs when you are fatigued because the tempo you can use for hip thrusts (you can hold the top for a 1-2 count and fly through the rest of the rep which you can't do for RDLs) BUT movement wise you picked a good substitute.  I can suggest a better one but given your setup something that involves more bands or cables will probably be something you can't do...  Maybe this is also off limits but if you don't mind me asking why is it that you can't do hip thrusts?  Is it that you can't lug a barbell to the floor or can't find a bench?  If you can find anything (swiss ball even - ugh) you can substitute heavy hip thrusts with single leg bridges which require a lot less resistance or even ball rollouts - would either be possible?  Or you can stick to RDLs - just BE careful. 

The hip thrusts are not possible because A) the gym is always crowded and the benches are always taken, plus they don't leave much room for hip thrusts either the way the are placed. B) it is a very commercial gym, nobody does stuff like that, i would be the big weirdo that everyone looks at and comments if i hip-thrusted in there. Kinda lame excuse, maybe i shouldn't care  but that's how it is. I am doing the RDLs with minimum back stress, shortened ROM to right below knee to reduce back fatigue, I focus on firing glutes the whole time, I am exaggerating the horizontal-hip-thrust finishing. It looks much more like horizontal hip thrust than a RDL actually.


- Assuming < 2 minutes per superset set and about 4 sets per exercise 14 minutes a set and 9 minutes resting between sets so a total time of 51 minutes - this isn't bad at all.  This should be a quick workout - an absolute max time would be 90 minutes while shooting for an hour or less - looks like you are there...

Perfect time measuring, that is exactly how it is. 55 to 65 minutes including the squat warm-up, depending on if i do the speed squats.

Thanks for the rest of the tips too. Not obligatory dead hang in pullups and not obligatory strict OHP is nice to know, simplifies things :D
Same with AREG squat reps. Still, i will shoot for strict/full reps everywhere, just use the 'hacks' when i fail.

Thanks once again for your time and insight!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 28, 2016, 04:33:26 am »
27 January 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~89kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY'S GPP

Week #2 , workout #5

SUPERSET 1 - SQUAT ++ OHP:
6@77,5kg ( +2,5kg ) ++ 8@37,5kg ( +2,5kg )
6@77,5kg ( +2,5kg ) ++ 8@37,5kg ( +2,5kg )
6@77,5kg ( +2,5kg ) ++ 8@37,5kg ( +2,5kg )
6@77,5kg ( +2,5kg ) ++ 8@37,5kg ( +2,5kg )

SUPERSET 2 - BSS ++ PULLUPS:
8 each leg @ 16kg DBs ( +2kg per hand ) ++ 7
8 each leg @ 16kg DBs ( +2kg per hand ) ++ 7
8 each leg @ 16kg DBs ( +2kg per hand ) ++ 7
8 each leg @ 16kg DBs ( +2kg per hand ) ++ 6

SUPERSET 3 - RDL ++ LEG RAISE:
20@45kg ( +5kg ) ++ 19 ( +1 rep )
15@65kg ( +5kg ) ++ 17
10@85kg ( +5kg ) ++ 16
5@105kg ( +5kg ) ++ 16 ( +1 rep )

SPEED HALF SQUATS AMRAP:

Nice , upped the weights. Everything felt very hard but not because of the heavier weight, legs were tired.
Wednesday is the most difficult day ( shortest time window from previous session, Monday ). Must emphasize some recovery shit on Tuesday.

Random HR measurement, during the BSS-pullup supersets:
At the end of set 3 : ~172bpm
At the start of set 4 : ~130bpm
Measurements were the first and last 30'' of the 2 minutes break between sets 3 and 4.

Diet:
3100kcal / 260g protein / ( 400kcal surplus )

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 26, 2016, 03:49:24 pm »
T0ddday, what do you think of the way i have implemented/tweaked your GPP so far?
Here are the things i would appreciate some feedback about:
-I replaced hip thrusts with (as much glute driven as possible ) RDL and band squats with speed half squats. Are you fine with this? If not, what would you recommend as replacement for each, given ( for whatever reasons ) that hip thrusts and band squats are not an option?
-I am using ~2 minutes breaks between sets and ~3 minutes breaks between exercises. Is that fine?
-How do i progress? Classic progressive overloading? Or should i push it more? I am using weights that i can handle well currently, getting all reps with perfect form. Most difficulty comes from the big heart rate, not the load itself. I could up the load so i can barely get the prescribed reps for first superset of each exercise and most possibly miss some reps on the latter ones, then keep that load until i get all reps, then up. What is better?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 26, 2016, 05:13:25 am »
25 January 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~90kg, lol
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY'S GPP

Week #2 , workout #4

SUPERSET 1 - SQUAT ++ OHP:
6@75kg ++ 8@35kg
6@75kg ++ 8@35kg
6@75kg ++ 8@35kg
6@75kg ++ 8@35kg

SUPERSET 2 - BSS ++ PULLUPS:
8 each leg @ 14kg DBs ++ 7
8 each leg @ 14kg DBs ++ 7
8 each leg @ 14kg DBs ++ 7
8 each leg @ 14kg DBs ++ 6

SUPERSET 3 - RDL ++ LEG RAISE:
20@40kg ++ 18 ( +1 rep )
15@60kg ++ 17 ( +1 rep )
10@80kg ++ 16 ( +1 rep )
5@100kg ++ 15

SPEED HALF SQUATS AMRAP:
30''@50kg : 20 reps ( -1 rep )
30''@80kg : 15 reps

Diet:
3300kcal / 210g protein / ( 500kcal surplus )

Weight is fluctuating like crazy. Today I as almost 3kg heavier than 2 days ago. But it was a full stomach ( big lunch + big pre-workout meal ) vs empty.
Still, fluctuations are annoying. Can't estimate how recomp is going like that. Won't change anything this week, but i plan to stick to TDEE kcals every day next week to check where  I am.
Other than that, lifts going good, having better breaths every time, reps being more solid etc. Upping loads next workout.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 25, 2016, 01:31:52 pm »
LOL, i know, i already use 0 instead of O. Also if you check the link that this misspelled label redirects to, it is written correctly there.
I just missed a D on the first workout post and then it keeps appearing cause i use quote&edit.
We were pun-messing-around with merrick.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 25, 2016, 05:32:14 am »
Diet update

Saturday:
3500 kcal / 270g protein / ( 700 kcal surplus )

Sunday:
1800 kcal / 120g protein / ( 500 kcal deficit )

Nice.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 24, 2016, 06:36:25 am »
Ambiguous... Now that's an adjective I never expected to see used for... Double D's
:wowthatwasnutswtf:

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