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listen, i won't read anything anyone has to say on the matter of jumping if they believe quads are "5%" of vertical jump.

Quote from: Raptor
Yeah that's silly. Saying they only contribute 5% makes me not believe a word of anything else from that article.

By the way - although the quads only contribute 5%, the hamstrings actually contribute 5 times more, 25%, according to that article.

hamstring curl ur way to jordan-like hops, hamstringFlex.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Hip flexors
« on: February 24, 2011, 05:11:30 am »
Well yeah, obviously, but for the tendon to deform and play it's elastic role, you still need strong calves, like you said, to contract isometrically.

However, for me at least, the biggest problem is still quad isometric strength since that's what prevents knee collapse, and I've always had a problem with that all my life. If I had that I'd be able to use a lot more speed, that's why I was saying that I need to find a way to train my quads to maintain/generate great isometric strength. One way, I think, is depth drops or isometric 1/4 pin squats, but I don't have any squat rack with pins where I train to do it.

TOO FANCY FOR ME!

why on earth would you want to do isometric 1/4th, oh ok, you said pin squats.. ok that's fine.. i didn't see pin there for a second..

sure, 1/4th pin squats would be the way to go.. iso 1/4th HOLDS are way too dangerous.. if anyone is going to do a "hold" they should just do a walkout with pins set real high, that'll be more than enough to cause adaptations.




What are other people's suggestions for developing quad isometric strength?.

high rep rebounding half-tuck jumps (MR half tucks, 25-50 reppers), stiff legged pogos (5-10 reppers), heavy half/quarter squats, sprints, tke's, jumps (single and double leg rvj's), and possibly depth drops but if the other stuff i mentioned is lacking, no need for those.

so ya, i didn't list any actual prolonged isometric exercises, instead everything i listed is miometric/pliometric.

i'm not a big fan of isos, in fact I hate them except for paused lifts.. paused squat/paused lunge would undoubtedly hit the hams/glutes harder than quads, and for the paused squats, that would be the case pretty much regardless of depth unless you really allow the knees to shift forward.

if I were to do isos, the only one I actually like is the "iso extension stim" method, where you iso a 45deg hyper, but that's p-chain dominant.. quad isos really put too much stress on the patella/patella tendon for my liking, it's a prolonged tension that just can lead to way too many pathologies like tendonities etc.. the quads are just way too strong to load up isometrically imo, really heavy isos targeted the quads just place too much stress on the knee.. the patella is sesamoid so, it's much diff than hamstring/glute isos for example... i think that's one of the key problems with them.

so ya, the stuff in bold at the time, that's the stuff i like.

peace

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Contrary to popular belief the quads only contribute 5% or less to the vertical jump.

I find this hard to believe.

Kelly bagget says that a 2 footed vertical jump is a quad dominant activity.

quads 5% of VJ LMFAO


where the hell is jack cascio when you need him.. same shit.

listen, i won't read anything anyone has to say on the matter of jumping if they believe quads are "5%" of vertical jump.

lmao @ 5% im still laughing.




here's my top exercises for vert:

1. improve squat (deep, half, pin, front, whatever) to 2.5-3.5xBW (the deeper you go, the closer you can be to "2.5x", the higher you go, the more you need to be 3-3.5x... sounds heavy dont it? STFU AND GET IT)
2. low bodyfat
3. jump alot (3-4x/week max)
4. incorporate reactive/rebounding exercises
5. maintain/improve fitness, never get out of shape
6. short maximal sprints
7. shitloads of caffeine on peaking days
8. improve calf strength under tension (calf raises)
9. extra glute/ham work (reverse hyper, glute bridges, 45deg hyper, lunges)
10. improve general upperbody strength, especially being able to perform various pullups very explosively
11. some sort of explosive arm swing exercise, could be hip dominant or not, ie plate swings, db swings, hang snatch, etc.
12. journal properly so you really know if you're progressing or not
13. get enough sleep prior to your jumping days (has to be enough in terms of not accumulating a sleep debt..)
14. incorporate level-7 techniques if needed lmzao.
15. learn how to harness pap/stim from heavy lifting to achieve better jump sessions 2 days later (after 1 day of rest)
16. eat properly the day before jumping, lots of good carbs/protein, for example, 10 bananas + small meals + some protein each meal. need full glycogen reserves but also don't want to be bogged down come jump day
17. don't eat TOO much on the day of jumping, eat light, keep food portions smaller to avoid carb/satiety fatigue... bottom line, you want to be hungry, you want to be pissed, you want to murder gravity, you can't be content.
18. don't masturbate or have sex prior to jumping/training, always after.
19. don't be a passive pussy when jumping/training, if you have a bad jump/set, fuck it, attack, it's life or death you don't quit like a pussy and let yourself be ravaged by a pack of hungry 9.8m/s^2's.
20. allow all of the above to make you more 'animalistic', we have become some sort of society drained spinoff human organism not capable of simply attacking the objective as if it were the only thing that matters at that moment for survival..
21. think about jumping when you are lifting weights, mind muscle link, you want that increased neural drive come jump time, so 'build a bridge between jumping and maximal heavy lifting'
22. warm up properly, it's important, progress gradually for 15-20 minutes until you're ready to START max jumping
23. michael jordan
24. think less, work harder
25. stop thinking the quads are unimportant
26. stop thinking the calfs are unimportant
27. start thinking the glutes are important
28. stop worrying about "instant inches techniques changes", this aint a high jump meet
29. never quit & i'll be 29 on august 16 2011.

ok there's my list..

peace ;F

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Buttocks
« on: February 24, 2011, 04:33:14 am »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaBXq90AAM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaBXq90AAM</a>

lance, this video worked too well! my glutes got so fried from bounding,sprinting, and lunging that I couldnt even squat!

haha nice..

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Gymnastics
« on: February 24, 2011, 04:32:05 am »
gymnast shit always trips me out, pretty sick to watch.. hannibal4king.

imagine if our feet were more like hands, man o man would humans be on a different level athletically..

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Squat vs Deadlift.
« on: February 24, 2011, 04:29:14 am »
All the high jumpers I know half squat. I've never ever seen them full squat for as long as I've gone to the track. Now I don't know if they built their strength over time with full squats and then went with half squats for specialization/specificity, but even those that are weak half squat. Probably because of structure.

They all use high bar though and narrow stance.

yup, remember that "vili" guy, dunker, his protege, young high jumper.. he squatted deep, but it was rather astonishing given his leverages, looked really perfect.. but he also has the kid doing crazy heavy quarters.. so ya it does happen rarely, but the keyword is rarely.

one thing this forum does a good job at is sifting through the garbage of "train exactly like an olympic lifter regardless of your build", ie, we don't just say everyone should be ATG'n regardless of structure.. but people on here need to be really pushing the weights up.







when you read stuff like, "ben johnson squatted 600 for 8 reps", realize it was ABOVE PARALLEL OFF A BOX................... roided but one of the fastest people to ever grace this planet, he never went deep, and charlie francis didn't give a shit.


Ben Johnson's PR's in the weightroom.

Squat: 2x6x600 lbs.
Bench: 2x450 lbs.
Deadlift: 500 lbs in 1984 (but never included it after that).
Clean: His clean was very poor technically, so kept away from it.

At a bodyweight of 173 lbs.

Ben's brother was a powerlifter.


His starts were just insane.


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCh5QswxQ6k" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCh5QswxQ6k</a>

ya those stats are incredible..

would have loved to see those lifts, shame on people for not video taping.. harry AA FTW.










Quote from: ADARQUI
i'm pretty sure kingfish has said the same thing, or similar.. you don't get "rebound" in a half squat, sure you have leverage advantage, but you don't get any rebound.. that's a very important and beneficial aspect of half squatting.. it's a raw transition with very little "rebound effect" from the glutes/hams, ie, that big stretch going down or hitting glutes near calfs and just rebounding up.. so ya it makes sense, people who talk shit on half, who go deep, often find half squatting pretty challenging and then they act all surprised.

pc

as i progress with more volume and intensity in my explosive partials.. i find it that you will eventually create your own rebound point and improve on it more and more.. either by using heavier weight or more reps. i felt like was bouncing off something with 225 1/2s and its definetely not from hams/calves contact. muscles start to feel different.

i prefer waveloaded..im only on my 10th workout so theres more progress to be made. ;D


right remember I told you that? I don't think about transitioning anymore, I just do.. I get to a point where my body immediately starts trying to reverse the bar without me even needing to think about it, then i explode.











Quote from: ADARQUI
i'm pretty sure kingfish has said the same thing, or similar.. you don't get "rebound" in a half squat, sure you have leverage advantage, but you don't get any rebound.. that's a very important and beneficial aspect of half squatting.. it's a raw transition with very little "rebound effect" from the glutes/hams, ie, that big stretch going down or hitting glutes near calfs and just rebounding up.. so ya it makes sense, people who talk shit on half, who go deep, often find half squatting pretty challenging and then they act all surprised.

pc

as i progress with more volume and intensity in my explosive partials.. i find it that you will eventually create your own rebound point and improve on it more and more.. either by using heavier weight or more reps. i felt like was bouncing off something with 225 1/2s and its definetely not from hams/calves contact. muscles start to feel different.

i prefer waveloaded..im only on my 10th workout so theres more progress to be made. ;D


it's like when we do VJ's, RVJ's, etc.. we don't really think about depth, sure at times we do when we're trying to force a certain depth.. but the majority of our jumping happens completely out of our control due to the velocities at hand.. everything is "preprogrammed", so allowing yourself to "squat that way" should be alot more beneficial to jumping imo.. teaching the body to "go deep" vs "teaching it to reverse hard slightly above parallel" seem to be no question in my opinion, i'm going with specificity.... ie teaching the body to reverse at spots more specific to svj/rvj AND recruit more mu's etc at those points.

why override those natural mechanisms is my point.. embrace them and enhance them.








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when you read stuff like, "ben johnson squatted 600 for 8 reps", realize it was ABOVE PARALLEL OFF A BOX................... roided but one of the fastest people to ever grace this planet, he never went deep, and charlie francis didn't give a shit.

Ben Johnson's 600 was not off a box and it was for 8, charlie said he wouldn't let him go below that in reps because of risk


the box thing is a common misconception which stems from the video online of ben squatting 400ish to a high-ish box.

That came much later in Ben's career when he was training with someone else.

Charlie himself said this and said that Ben was not squatting to a box.

the squats were slightly above parallel according to Charlie
Well these are good news. It was expected but it's good to hear them from someone else. There probably is such a thing as "preferred coupling phase depth".
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ya there's alot of confusion over the issue, lance even pasted something from charlie's FAq/q&A saying ben went below parallel or something.. so there's lots of conflicting reports.. I've read mostly the above parallel accounts and those are what I believe, any lower and i'm chalking it up to exaggeration/embellishing the accomplishment.

the ~500 lb box squat later on in his career was really sloppy, brutal, and scary:

video link in this thread: http://www.adarq.org/forum/400m-sprinting/ben-johnson/


peace

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So i was wondering if assuming i train 3 times a week with my team (volleyball) there is any space for strenght improvements. Of course witout losing inches in my vert
Maybe goin for max once a week?
Any experience?

yes it is very possible to gain strength in season.. it all depends on how intense the practices are though.. 3 days a week practice doesn't sound like much, so it is entirely doable to gain strength.

how long are the practices?

what becomes very important in this scenario, is diet and peri/post workout nutrition.. ie, getting in protein shakes DURING practices and following practices/lifting/training.. you're going to want to have some sort of carb/protein mix (gatorade/protein mix) DURING practices, if they are over 1 hour, that'll help re-energize you and reduce stress hormone response etc..

as for when to lift, that all depends... i'd personally want to lift on the same day of practices, as long as they aren't over 2 hours.. i'd prefer to do my practice in session A, re-energize with post workout shake/meals, then perform my lifting at night.. that would allow me to recover better on the off days, where i could just do some technique/form work, glute/bodyweight upper work etc.. i wouldn't want to "lift on off days" so that you're doing practice,lift,practice,lift,practice,lift, that would personally make me too stale.. i'd rather practice + lift, light training or rest, repeat.. I have no problem lifting maximally after 1 hour dunk session, 1.5 hour basketball sessions, etc, no one should have that problem, if they do, they aren't in shape, so they should address that issue.

so ya give us some more info on what your practices are like etc..

your options:


option A:

day 1: session A = practice, session B = lower body
day 2: light work/technique work/upper body

repeat





option B:

day 1: session A = practice, session B = full body strength
day 2: light work/technique work or recovery





i'd go with option B... on day 2 you could get some drills in, finish off with some glute work, some pullups/pushups maybe, and call it a day.. otherwise you could just completely rest and recover more for the next intense training day.. recovery is important.

peace man

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welcome man, whatup!!

very good to have you on this site man & hope to see you getting up even higher over the next few years

 :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf:

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: February 24, 2011, 03:13:52 am »
wow holy crap i am tired.. uploading a vid to youtube then im going to sleep.. will check journals tomorrow.. this is the most tired ive been at 1-2am in years HEH.. i been passing out for the last hour.

pc


Go get it... Sleep.  :headbang:

ya seriously, i should very soon.. those naps from 1-2am gave me some extra energy unfortunately

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: February 24, 2011, 03:12:57 am »
vid from yesterday, squats and some fatigued dunks.. nice two hander


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Basketball / Re: 2011 nba dunk contest
« on: February 24, 2011, 02:20:03 am »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3ZDl2kOmhs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3ZDl2kOmhs</a>

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: February 24, 2011, 02:04:17 am »
wow holy crap i am tired.. uploading a vid to youtube then im going to sleep.. will check journals tomorrow.. this is the most tired ive been at 1-2am in years HEH.. i been passing out for the last hour.

pc

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: You have got to be $hittin' me.
« on: February 24, 2011, 12:37:39 am »
that second vid makes me puke.. absolutely horrible

http://www.adarq.org/forum/pics-videos-links/funny-horrible-training-videos/240/

in the future just bump that thread with new horrible training vids :)

peace

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: February 23, 2011, 05:26:49 pm »
shit gotta check journals tonight, wanted to already but gotta go out.

gonna drink a ton of diet coke and maybe eat some pizza.

;d

pc

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: February 23, 2011, 06:39:29 am »
I like this:



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not listing myself as "SICK" today !!!!!!!!!!
= AWESOME

thanks man!

and i notice you always seem to like the 'split leg' jordan style pics.. ya they do look cooler than the other ones, i like all that crazy leg movement.. i gotta get up higher so i can do some t-dub/jonsey style leg movement just cycling in the air.

ya im hoping i am finally getting over this staph/whatever.. staph lumps have gone down alot finally

pC

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