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He didn't grow up in the greatest environment, so he never really had the chance to show how far he could get.

disagree.. he had a chance to fly right out of the hood into stardom, but he himself blew it (unfortunately).

can't blame environment in this case imo, some people just aren't driven, and that has nothing to do with environment.. he was "blessed" (lmao) with insane genetic ability, but he just didn't have the desire or drive to take it to the next level.. which means, he simply did not love track & field enough to make it his life. no matter how crappy your environment, if you love something with everything you have, then you won't let "stupid crap" come into your life to take it away from you: this means not hanging out with the wrong people, staying away from weed, trying to at least make avg grades, etc....

he didn't love it enough, which is understandable, it came easy for him..

Quote from: adarqui on February 27, 2011, 05:06:13 pm

Beyond any of that, half squatting (slightly above parallel, NOT PARALLEL) is 100x more specific to vert/power based athletic movements than is deep squatting.

Isn't weighttraining always just GPP for the non weightlifter-athlete?
At the end it shouldn't matter how the strength was obtained...

so then why would it matter if strength is obtained in a deep squat vs half squat?

checkmate

goodnight

do not pass go

do not collect $200

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Me likey!  Just in time for my power/peaking cycle!

hah nice! just stay away from the REA's possibly, those have increased risk if knees aren't 100%, they are so stressful..

kill it joejoe!@$!@$!@%!@

Quote from: adarqui on February 27, 2011, 07:13:26 am

point?

bbl sleep

well, decide on your own...

My take is that a healthy athlete should be able to squat deep and sit in a deep squat comfortably. It's not only about strength/power but also about mobility, flexibility, balance and coordination...

i think we need to define "athlete" here.. are we talking about an olympic lifter athlete or a basketball/football/etc athlete? because, for the latter, "balance + coordination + knee stability" is going to be best obtained through reactive/dynamic movements specific to their sport, squatting (any form) doesn't even come close.

As for flexibility, that level of flexibility isn't even needed for most sports. Having too much flexibility can be a bad thing, that's a really hard issue to discuss because it's so individual-specific. If I use myself as an example, too much flexibility/mobility work makes me perform worse -> when i'm "tight", I descend into my plants and just rocket right out, I can feel the tension.. if i'm "too flexible" due to too much stretching/mobility work, I feel like mush and I feel some "collapsing" going on in the plant. The same issue applies to my explosive bball dribbling, sprinting, etc.. If I stretch my quads, I perform worse.

One of the major issues with deep squatting is meniscus issues, regardless of any of the benefits you mentioned, meniscus issues are a real concern. That "shock absorbing tissue" is stress intensively during reactive/explosive/sport movements, taxing it further and in such "extreme joint roms under tension" doesn't sound like the smartest thing to me if you're a non oly lifter... If you're an oly lifter, then it's very smart, you'd want to get strong at those roms because it's specific to your sport, not doing so would increase injury risk.

I can't think of many sports where deep mobility is necessary or beneficial.. Plenty (i'd say a majority) of the most powerful athletes on earth don't have the mobility to squat ATG properly. It's rare when you find someone who is freaky-powerful with leverages beneficial to RVJ/sprint/etc that has perfect ATG squat form/mobility, extremely rare. I worked with over 30 NFL combine athletes one year and the vast majority of them were tight. Out of the two most powerful athletes, 4.39 40 vs 4.31 40, one was insanely tight, one was insanely flexible. Both had a shitload of muscle and were so strong it was ridiculous. One could ATG squat perfect (being 5'6), the other could only hit half with good form (being 6'1 or so).

Bottom line, individual differences highly influence whether or not someone should be going deep or not, so making a blanket statement about squat depth doesn't take into account those individual differences. For the vast majority of athletes interested in VJ/sprinting, going deep is very unnecessary because those athletes, who are naturally drawn to these performance events, have more ability to progress with half squatting due to leverages/mechanical advantage at those joint angles.

Beyond any of that, half squatting (slightly above parallel, NOT PARALLEL) is 100x more specific to vert/power based athletic movements than is deep squatting.

pc

Quote from: adarqui on February 25, 2011, 10:24:06 pm

Quote from: Raptor on February 25, 2011, 05:51:53 am

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215 Total.

wow what? seriously??

Yup. I think my education/childhood stays at the base of that. My dad used to beat me whenever I was doing any little mistake etc (probably good subject for "the hole" forum or something now that I'm saying it) so it just develops that "fear" of doing any mistake and weakens your mind as heck. If you pan that to ~10 years of that non-stop in terms of "environment", you better believe it's going to affect you big time.

damn

I think I may be ready for D1 in a year or two because of my insane jumpshot and slowly improving athletic ability... i routinely destroy this 6'6 shooting guard who's a damn junior in HS (averaging about 32ppg on varsity, and i think his championship game is today) who plays for York Prep. I mean we have LITERALLLLLY played 1-on-1 about FIFTY (50) times and I have beat him. He's getting a shit loaod of D1 looks because he's young, tall, and has a HELL of a 3 point shot. He's just skinny and lanky right. But out of all the times we've played, I've beat him...

every.single.time.

EXCEPT For the very last time we played, in which i lost by two points. Like I mean my record against his is probably 62-1, NO EXAGGERATION. And I mean that I have literally WRECKED this kid like 16-4 and 11-1 and 21-6 everyyyy singllleee timeeeeeeeeeeeee we play because NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES he just cannot stop my jumpshot...

I'm a freshman in college right now at fordham university, but i swear i think i can make the team. I'm doing a 5 year program anyway so I have another 4 years left...

omg man.... i just regained a lot of my motivation for basketball..... i need to re-name my log to "Dreyth's Journey to Division I Basketball."

i swear i think i can make that team because they're mid-major and kinda suck anyway, and i'm 6'1 but my jumpshot has insane potential (i remember being like 15 and hitting dozens of 3's in a row in game with LITERALLY fingers touching my face)... i just need to be like that every single day, and not just on my "on fire" days.

I never woulda thought I'd be so motivated to play basketball again like this. I can't forget that I'm on a mission and basketball is my life.......

haha glad you are re-motivated to play ball man.. it'll have you jumping even higher too, you'll be in much better shape.

as for making a team, i echo what stuck said, you'll want to really get in alot of full-court work instead of just 1-1's etc, league ball would be the most beneficial, if you could find a league playing 1-2games per week that'd be your best bet right now, on top of some daily training but nothing overboard like i see these people doing in 24 hour fitness.. "4 hour basketball practice sessions while moving like snails".. quality over quantity.

Thanks Adarq! I am really really motivated by your words. I will bookmark this thread and read it over and over again when motivation is low and when life is shits on me hard.

awesome man glad it hit home with you.. i approach VJ initially from the standpoint that "it is hard and it shits on you".. i never expect gains to be easy at this point, i'm well passed the newbie stage.. so even a 1 inch gain in vert to me is monumental, i need around 8-9 more inches to hit my goal, so each of those is going to be very hard to come by..

injuries and setbacks happen, it sucks, but they always happen at some point in performance improvement training, it's pretty much inevitable.. once we get to the intermediate/advanced stages, we're constantly pushing our limits, that stuff comes with some risk but the awards far outweight the risks, we just have to try and minimize those risks as much as possible and stay healthy, really be smart about training, listen to our bodies, try not to do anything stupid etc.

but ya it's very hard to achieve "what we want to achieve", if it were ANY LESS hard, more people would be doing it.. instead, hardly anyone makes real gains.. after the newbie gains, hardly anyone progresses and most people just become content with a 5 inch gain etc.

peace man