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rested today. knee still feels blah but my ankle feels better.

also i made some dooooooope lasagna. took forever but man it tastes so fucking good.

Lasagna has to be one of the most fulfilling meals ever.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: August 30, 2016, 10:51:02 pm »
It's worthwhile mentioning that when squatting with a belt tonight I felt my legs way more than I usually would. Not sure if this is normal though. Felt good.

Yeah that's the beauty of using a belt. And it purportedly makes your abs bigger too. It's a panacea for some. I have an article on the training board about a study showing the use of a belt allows you to train your legs better!

Yeah not sure about the abs thing but I am feeling my quads like never before. My leg soreness following squats is normally hgh in the upper quad region. After using the belt it has been evenly spread over the entire quad including decent amounts of VMO soreness.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: August 30, 2016, 10:49:05 pm »
This quick point is related to T0ddday's post about dads, stereotypes, culture etc..

If we are subjected to those stereotypes as we grow up, there's a good chance we will believe them. And by simply believing them, it goes from being a stereotype to a "physical barrier" in our brains. I think our brains are full of those barriers, in all kinds of different forms - not just athletics. So if all of a sudden we want to "defy our genetics", which might actually just be - realize our true genetic potential, we have to destroy such barriers in our brains as we attempt to progress. I've been guilty of it myself by saying "defying my genetics". I try not to mention "whiteness" as being a limitation, though it is somewhat implied when I say defying my genetics. As a coach, I would make sure not to use such stereotypes in front of kids/athletes, and also make sure to call out athletes or their parents for using these stereotypes etc.

TLDR: stereotypes become physical barriers in our brains if we end up believing them. I'm not a neuroscientist, but I imagine an "inefficient series of dendrites" and such that weaken the "go get it" signal.

As for myself, I often think about my brain being a limiting factor: especially for running. For jumping/sprinting, I often tell my brain to "let go" and "give me more". Maybe i'm just nuts, but I really feel like my brain holds me back more than my muscle/tendon physiology. One reason I think this is, when i'm feeling REALLY GOOD MENTALLY, I can get much more out of my jump/sprint/run sessions. If I let any self doubt creep in, the quality of jumps/sprints/runs decrease dramatically (sprints less so, jumps/running more so). So I kind of feel like i'm in a battle with not only the physiological factors related to muscle/tendon/nervous system, but also with my brain. I feel like there's things in there "blocking me" from turning it up a notch ... perhaps protective mechanisms given my current fitness/strength etc. I mentioned a "governor device for engines" in a previous post... that's kind of what it feels like.. how to remove the governor and inject the NOS???  :ninja:

I'm finding that more and more difficult with my own kids.  I had never really thought about the impact of stereotypes because I try not to use them but when your kids ask you a question related to it you really have to think and be careful about not giving the easy answer. Also, it's very hard to control what teachers, coaches and other students and parents are saying because that's where a lot of stereotypes can stem from. Nearly all of it unintentional too.

Yeah I mean this is a really complicated issue especially when dealing w kids.  It's basically that we have to balance three things - barriers, stereotypes and realistic expectations/limits.

I think the barriers that Andrew talks about are totally real and their is a bunch evidence to support how damaging they are... Just think about Roger Bannister and the four minute mile.  Before he ran it people just were so sure it couldn't be done...  Then he went out and did it only training 3 hrs a week (he had limited time due to his schedule as a medical student and only did 400m speed repeats on his lunch break)... Within 10 years highschool kids had done it and somebody had run a sub 8 minute 2 mile!  He broke through the barrier for everyone and then it no longer had power over people and now it's not looked at as an amazing thing at all!  These barriers really hold us back from make individual progress or progress as a society or human race!  I hate when people have political ideas and people say things like "well a world without war is unrealistic cause humans are naturally violent war loving creatures"... It's like yeah maybe... But for sure if you keep saying that!!!

As far as stereotypes about race go they are mostly harmful if they involve any trainable quality...  There are a fun non harmful ones - over here we have a stereotype that Samoan people are generally really nice guys.  I don't see much harm in that - people expecting others to be nice is a good thing (we are far too fearful of others due to shows like CSI that make people think the world is full of psychotic killers) and if Samoans are effected by the stereotype and be nice rather than mean - well I don't really see much harm in that!  What's important to realize is that stereotypes can be harmful without being explicitly negative.  People don't see the harm in the stereotype that black people run faster or Asians or good at math cause they don't understand how it effects others. It's harmful for members of the race that the stereotype is about because of the pressure it puts on them.  In the case of math - the stories about Asian students committing suicide at MiT because of the immense pressure is an obvious reason why it is bad.  Or the fact that a black athlete who isn't fast will get branded as a lazy person who won't work hard while a semi fast white athlete gets praised as being extremely hard working!  That's wrong and damaging to everyone!  And then of course there is the contradiction that people are using empirical data as justification for believing some positive things like being good at math or running fast but claiming to not believe it at all for negative things.  I am always like "wait you think it's completely clear that whites are slow and blacks are fast cause a black guy won the 100m but you don't think poor test scores indicate that black people are not as smart?" Hmm.. I don't believe you, I think you think there is truth to both but you just don't want to admit one of them!" 

The problem though is that if we ignore stereotypes and limits completely and tell kids to do this we risk giving people unrealistic expectations.  This balance is so challenging.  I don't want white kids to believe that they can't run fast but at the same time I don't want any kids telling themselves that they don't need to do their homework because they have no natural limit and if they train they will be the fastest man in the world! 

Balancing this is hard.  They way I try and do it is emphasize that we do have limits - both genetically and lifestyle imposed.  However you don't know what the limits are until you work hard at something... The harder you work the closer you get to figuring being able to get a handle on limits and when you do get some idea of what your limiting characteristics are you shouldn't necessarily just ignore them because your filled with self confidence that barriers are always bad! 

In fact, part of the cruel irony of this is that while believing in your limitations and barriers can keep you from reaching your potential - so to can completely ignoring them...  One of the greatest examples of this is Andrew himself!  Think about Andrew's accomplishments and how he reached them.  He tried to get strong and jump high.  He read and researched and realized that he was limited in using the full squat to build his strength for his vertical - he recognized that limit and ignored dogma and half squatted and quad jumped his way to become a white guy jumping almost 40'' inches and blasting through barriers and making dunk videos.   Getting near 40'' is an accomplishment.  He power jumped his way to doing a DLRVJ that was damn near elite level through hard work.  Could he have got to 42?  45?  50?  Who knows.  But along the way he realized some limitations (or a better way to phrase it might be some areas where he was less advantaged rather than more) and is now embarking on reaching the elite 40/40 dunking club.  But he realized that he might be limited in how far he can progress jumping with a power two footed jump and realized that his best strength might not be carrying the mass and muscle necessary to jump like this and accumulate injuries - so he is switching to jump off one leg.  This is achieved only by working hard and being realistic and knowledgeable about ones strengths.  In the beginning there is no need to consider limits - he kept gaining cause he kept improving...  without self-belief that he could jump he never would have made these gains... But at some point blind self belief that he can achieve his goals however he wants if he works hard could keep his focus on two footed jumping exclusively and he wouldn't be able to jump as high in the long run...  This is why you have to be realistic with your body and know where you excel.  It's also why you should have a general goal (like dunking or running fast) rather than a specific goal like running an incredible 200m or jumping high via squatting and two footed jumping only...

I had a track teammate who would dominate in practice and usually beat me in the 200m.  The guy only wanted to run the 100m though. He was full of self confidence and in someways it served him well.  He believed so strongly that if he worked hard (and he was the hardest worker) he would be great. He insisted he was a 100m guy but in meets would always near 11 and only broke 11 one time.  He was full of excuses and mad that he dominated us in practice where we were fatigued and couldn't bring it in competition.  FINALLY, his last year he ran the 400m with little training and ran 46.1.   The were so many signs that he would excel at the 400m but he refused to do it because he ignored his "limits" or strengths and had to specific of a goal.  If he just wanted to be fast he could have probably achieved so much***.

*** Just to illustrate how hard this can be it's important to consider who should make the switch or make a training change.  It should only be you or someone you know extremely well...  This is why it's so important to be mindful and aware of your training, your strengths, what works for you, etc.  You have to balance patience with your coaches training and progress and work extremely hard while also being aware of what specifically works best for you... I have seen this happen countless times - a young sprinter comes to college after he had a good career in highschool running fast times in the 100, 200 and 400.  Perhaps he runs 10.9 off of highschool training that includes cross country, basketball, and some poor track work.  He hasn't lifted at all or done any real speed work.  If he is lanky and white the coach will take him after the first day and use stereotypes to make the decision that he is a 400m or even 800m guy and force him to do an event where he never excels simply because the coach imposed a racist limit on him rather than give him the speed work and strength training that could have made him into a great sprinter...  I truly believe that if someone like Christophe Lemeitre had grown up in the US he wouldn't be the first white guy to go sub10 because some idiot college coach would have forced him to run the 800m.  If the athlete isn't aware he won't put up a fight when someone imposes limits based on stereotypes or limited data and it will cost him his ability to succeed...

We can look no further for an example than Usain Bolt.  There is some terrible myth that Usain is lazy - but the truth is that it's just a myth - the guy pukes at practice daily.  His coach used stereotypes (that he is tall) to decide he could only be successful in the 400m and maybe the 200m despite the fact that he ran an out of shape explosive 200m in 20.5 as a 15 year old...  Bolt struggled at the longer distances and gave it a shot but at some point he knew his body and his ability well enough to ask/beg his coach for the chance to run the 100m....  His coach allowed him to and the rest is history...

TL;DR - Racial stereotypes suck.  Stereotypes that involve achieving something that takes hard work are terrible for everyone.  Ignore them and believe in yourself and know that you can do anything - but in the back of your mind be mindful that you might not be able to do ANYTHING but that you surely won't achieve it if you don't believe it...  As you evolve as an athlete don't let limits and barriers effect you BUT be mindful of where you might be more successful if it is a change in technique, training, strategy or even and keep your goals general enough so that you are afforded the flexibility to achieve them in whichever way works best for you...  In short, it's kind of like religion or faith in god.  Love sport and athletics and believe that you can succeed and be great - but realize that (god) success works in mysterious ways - you will get your goal if you believe in yourself but it might not be how you envisioned it or exactly the same goal you had when you started out!

I think your most salient point here is that you will only know or realise your barriers through hard work. This is my message to my kids on most points. The more you try, the harder you try, the better you will get and the more likely you are to succeed. Do this and you'll get the most our of yourself. We don't really discuss limits or barriers with them yet (nearly 7 and 4 years old).

I had never considered the white/black athlete issue from a coaching perspective when picking distances though. It certainly makes sense given the lack of white athletes in sprinting. It's no wonder that stereotypes repeatedly play themselves out in real life. We're all contributing to them on a daily basis.

As far as barriers go you and Andrew make excellent points. Barriers can be self serving just the same as stereotypes are. I was thinking back to as little as 3 years ago I can recall instances when I would dunk before games and routinely hit my upper forearm near the elbow. Given I need 20" to touch the rim this put my SLRVJ at 35-36" at that point in time. It's kind of astounding to me to quantify it like that as I had never really thought I got much above 30. For my personally barriers though I generally have a healthy level of confidence in myself (not quite FIGJAM status but a decent ego) so I have never thought my barriers were too low. It's just that I don't think I've ever worked hard enough to reach anywhere near my potential barrier/ceiling so that actually gives me huge amounts of motivation for the future.

I'm actually glad that you have been so strong on these issues though. I had never considered an of these issues especially pertaining to racism but am seeing it on a daily basis. It's also a great reminder of what inputs my kids are getting given that teachers and other children/parents are largely ignorant of these issues.

Also, I have been listening to and reading a fair bit of Sam Harris's work. Whilst not on exactly the same issue it's food for thought which provokes greater reflection.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: August 30, 2016, 03:09:27 am »
Massive post squat DOMS in quads. More than I usually get. Is there something related to the belt that forces me to use legs more? Sounds funny writing it but no other way to explain it. Or it could just be the 2 sets of 7.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: August 29, 2016, 08:35:32 am »
It's worthwhile mentioning that when squatting with a belt tonight I felt my legs way more than I usually would. Not sure if this is normal though. Felt good.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: August 29, 2016, 07:57:36 am »
29/08/2016 - 7pm

Squats
Bar x 10, 60 x 5, 90 x 3
105 x 4,  95 x 7,  7 (last 3 sets belted)

Hip thrust
60 x 10, 10

Reverse Slant bench leg raise
Bw x 10, 10 (straight only)

Ring chins
Bw x 3, 3, 3, 3, 3

Ohp
Bar x 8, 30 x 8
45 x 8, 6, 8

Went easy on hip thrusts, chins and ab work due to intercostal strain.
Belted up on work sets for squats. Reading a T0ddday comment in Entropy's log about using the available tools. Have never really used a belt or straps before so I think I'll be giving them a run. End of the day my goal is to jump high and not to be a weightlifter.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: August 29, 2016, 07:42:55 am »
I kid you not I was going to post this. Good old Bruce #delicious

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: August 28, 2016, 09:38:32 pm »
This quick point is related to T0ddday's post about dads, stereotypes, culture etc..

If we are subjected to those stereotypes as we grow up, there's a good chance we will believe them. And by simply believing them, it goes from being a stereotype to a "physical barrier" in our brains. I think our brains are full of those barriers, in all kinds of different forms - not just athletics. So if all of a sudden we want to "defy our genetics", which might actually just be - realize our true genetic potential, we have to destroy such barriers in our brains as we attempt to progress. I've been guilty of it myself by saying "defying my genetics". I try not to mention "whiteness" as being a limitation, though it is somewhat implied when I say defying my genetics. As a coach, I would make sure not to use such stereotypes in front of kids/athletes, and also make sure to call out athletes or their parents for using these stereotypes etc.

TLDR: stereotypes become physical barriers in our brains if we end up believing them. I'm not a neuroscientist, but I imagine an "inefficient series of dendrites" and such that weaken the "go get it" signal.

As for myself, I often think about my brain being a limiting factor: especially for running. For jumping/sprinting, I often tell my brain to "let go" and "give me more". Maybe i'm just nuts, but I really feel like my brain holds me back more than my muscle/tendon physiology. One reason I think this is, when i'm feeling REALLY GOOD MENTALLY, I can get much more out of my jump/sprint/run sessions. If I let any self doubt creep in, the quality of jumps/sprints/runs decrease dramatically (sprints less so, jumps/running more so). So I kind of feel like i'm in a battle with not only the physiological factors related to muscle/tendon/nervous system, but also with my brain. I feel like there's things in there "blocking me" from turning it up a notch ... perhaps protective mechanisms given my current fitness/strength etc. I mentioned a "governor device for engines" in a previous post... that's kind of what it feels like.. how to remove the governor and inject the NOS???  :ninja:

I'm finding that more and more difficult with my own kids.  I had never really thought about the impact of stereotypes because I try not to use them but when your kids ask you a question related to it you really have to think and be careful about not giving the easy answer. Also, it's very hard to control what teachers, coaches and other students and parents are saying because that's where a lot of stereotypes can stem from. Nearly all of it unintentional too.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: August 28, 2016, 09:35:43 pm »
^^ also, simply thinking about all of this stuff is probably still not a great thing.. but i'd rather think that I have barriers I can overcome, than thinking I was born to be slow/weak etc. So I guess that's a positive aspect of it.

Would be nice to be able to completely clear our minds when performing. What if that was actually a path to athletic performance improvement? (ability to "get in the zone" alot quicker/easier/frequently).

Also .. just a side note. When looking at times during training etc, it's incredible how one measurement can absolutely wreck us mentally.. ie, if I see my bad mile split time on a run. When i'm trying to run really fast, I never look at my watch. Simply looking at it makes me run slower.. lmao.

Haha I do that with the watch as well. I looked at it a few times and was like "I'm sure I was faster than that" and it can be a little demoralising. You're right, it's best not to look.

I've been reading a lot more on getting in the zone and how to get there quicker. I know that it's impossible to do it every time you train or play but there are obviously certain things that will allow you to get there quicker. I have just started guided meditation (mindfullness) and have read that this can facilitate better performance in all areas of life. Another thing for me is recognising when I'm in the zone and remembering how I got there. I've said it a few times that I play better when I'm slightly pissed off. I don't think it's the pissed off part that beneficial, it's more the not thinking about anything else part that works for me.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: August 28, 2016, 09:30:32 pm »
26/08/2016 - 1pm

Track Day
3xstrides
SL Supine Bridge  x 10
Knee to Elbow Walking Lunge x 10
Knee to rear foot walking Lunge x10
Walking Spiderman x 10
Rev Walking Lunge with posterolateral Reach x10
straight Leg skip
Rudiment Hops (all legs)
DL hops (3x10)
L/R leg bounds (2x5)
Alt leg bounds (2x10)
Speed Bounds
5x20m sprint   
3x40m sprint   
3xflying 30m sprint
2x60m sprint
2x3x100m sprint

Back to the track for the first time in weeks. Bloody thing was being used by school kids again so I was relegated to the soccer field next door. All things being equal I didn't do too bad. Have some footage of bounds which I may upload if I can get over my embarrassment. 2x3x100s were brutal as I didn't take too much rest between. No real point till I get fitter anyway. All in all felt good though.

Edit- Just looking at footage and I look so damn slow. It's ridiculous. I think I'm going to change my name to Glacier. I'm white and slow as fuck!  ;D

Lol.  Got no problem with you making fun of your whiteness or slowness... But if u make a nickname that sounds like two go together then you will be suggesting that racist and ruining athletics in America so stick to one!

Lol can't tell if serious or not.

I'm not sure how it could be racist though. I'm white which is a fact and I'm also slow which is a fact. It's also self imposed which is more self deprecating than racist imo.

Half joking...

Noticing that your slow isn't racist...
Noticing that your white isn't racist...
Getting a nickname that combines those isn't racist...

The belief that both of those traits occur together because of some innate relationship is racist! 

And it is frustrating because I deal with it a lot.  I got a chance to train a basketball prodigy recently... Was humbling how good this kid was.  White kid.  6'3" 140 pounds.  Amazing jumper, hesitation, dribbling, smart little moves with his hands, sneaking push offs and pull backs... Amazing.  Training him for speed... As much better as he was than me I could still guard him in drills pretty well... He splashed a few deep threes right in my face but I also got a piece on a bunch... Simply put he is too slow and weak...  I did play pretty handsy and redirect him a little but he would still get me on moves and I would recover everytime and keep him from getting by... I am pretty fast laterally (it's probably my best sports skill is lateral on ball defense in basketball or man defense as a cornerback in football) but any other player with even a bit of athleticism would dust me if they had this kids moves...

But I mean 6'3" 140.  15 years old.  Can't touch the rim.  I'm 5'11 215 and I was scared to body him cause he might break...  I was explaining to his dad how fuckkng amazing he will be if he just has a tiny bit of strength and speed and his dad kept insisting that I don't know what it's like to be white and that he is slow cause he is white... His dad even had the audacity to tell me that I got my leaping ability from my fathers side after I reminded him I'm Irish!  Ridiculous.  His kid heard it all and it's a racist message and it's bad for everyone to propagate that stereotype...

Of course your in Australia... I dunno what it's like there...  The stereotype is definitely more pervasive in America.  It's why you see the third place in the 200m in the olympics by a white guy and lots of great white sprinters and athletes but they are never from America...  If they are from America they never grew up around white people...

But here it's a bad sterotype... The dad is gonna make his kid more of an Adam Morrison than a Manu Ginobili - you think if Manu had grown up in America being told he is white and slow he would have been shamgodding people and dunking on them?  Lol.  Let that stereotype die!  It hurts us all!

Yeah I get you 100%. The simple answer is I put those together without any links and laughed to myself. Not that I'm slow because I'm white but just that I'm slow and white.

We get it here in Australia but it's far less called out. In Aussie rules football (AFL) you have a lot of indigenous players who are obviously naturally talented (because they're playing professional football) and nearly all the media commentators go apeshit whenever they do anything and put it down to that fact that they're naturally talented indigenous players and speak nothing of the hard work that they do to get that way. Which, like you've said, pretty much takes away any credit for the years of hard work they've put into themselves.

I do get a lot of people telling me I'm only good at sports because I'm tall which removes my 30 years of playing basketball but I just quietly tell them to fuck off. 

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: August 28, 2016, 12:06:15 am »
As for sprinting goals, my #1 goal is to simply hit 20 mph on my watch. 18.4 mph felt crazy fast....... I love how that felt. I'd love to "feel" 20mph.

Man that's already fast compared to me. I had a max speed of 26.6 km/h (16.52 mph). Only need to get to 27.8 mph to match Usain (and keep it for that distance  :o)

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: August 27, 2016, 08:44:14 am »
Yeah intercostals are shitty little muscles that you can't do much for except let them recover. You can probably push them a little bit more than your average strained muscle but be careful.

Yes it's difficult to know how hard to go with them. Feel fine one.minute and then shocking the next.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: August 26, 2016, 07:25:20 pm »
26/08/2016 - 6pm

Squats
Bar x 10, 60 x 5, 80 x 3
100 x 1, 1, 1

SL DB deadlift to press
3x8@15kg

Incline bench
Bar  x 8, 40 x 8, 60 x 5, 5, 9

Chins
Bw x 5, 2 (damn rib. Was ok up till this point)

Parallel barbell row
40 x 10, 10

Squats felt great. Ribs were pretty good up till the chins. Overall they're getting better though.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: August 26, 2016, 07:21:35 pm »
i think you should take the opposite approach.. call yourself "flash", or "fma" (fastest man alive) etc.. maybe you'll be able to trick the governor we have in our brains/nervous systems that keeps us slow.

 :ninja:

Haha. Yes good point. I felt fast until I looked at the footage so maybe that's the key. Or maybe actually training more is the key  :o who would have thought.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: August 26, 2016, 07:17:15 pm »
26/08/2016 - 1pm

Track Day
3xstrides
SL Supine Bridge  x 10
Knee to Elbow Walking Lunge x 10
Knee to rear foot walking Lunge x10
Walking Spiderman x 10
Rev Walking Lunge with posterolateral Reach x10
straight Leg skip
Rudiment Hops (all legs)
DL hops (3x10)
L/R leg bounds (2x5)
Alt leg bounds (2x10)
Speed Bounds
5x20m sprint   
3x40m sprint   
3xflying 30m sprint
2x60m sprint
2x3x100m sprint

Back to the track for the first time in weeks. Bloody thing was being used by school kids again so I was relegated to the soccer field next door. All things being equal I didn't do too bad. Have some footage of bounds which I may upload if I can get over my embarrassment. 2x3x100s were brutal as I didn't take too much rest between. No real point till I get fitter anyway. All in all felt good though.

Edit- Just looking at footage and I look so damn slow. It's ridiculous. I think I'm going to change my name to Glacier. I'm white and slow as fuck!  ;D

Lol.  Got no problem with you making fun of your whiteness or slowness... But if u make a nickname that sounds like two go together then you will be suggesting that racist and ruining athletics in America so stick to one!

Lol can't tell if serious or not.

I'm not sure how it could be racist though. I'm white which is a fact and I'm also slow which is a fact. It's also self imposed which is more self deprecating than racist imo.

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