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DL 550
Squat 424

Whoa.  You were beyond those a month or 2 ago, even without the suit (I think)....what happened?

Nah man. These are my raw PRs. Had 484 squat with knee wraps and belt and 605 DL in suit.

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DL 550
Squat 424

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Some lifting at home yesterday.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EqdUinRpiM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EqdUinRpiM</a>

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I fully understand that view and thats probably part of the reason why powerlifting is so appealing to me. I believe I have greater potential in powerlifting/strongman or that kind of event, compard to other sports. But due to my height, I have to keep a high bw to compete in these and tbh I dont like the feel of my body anymore. Its to bulky, stiff and unathletic.

Im also considering the fact that I have a tiny daughter now, and I want to be able to play with her, without getting winded or breaking something due to my size.

I know that I wont be able to succeed in decathlon. Im to old and not explosive enough by nature. But it will improve my athleticism and Ill be able to do alot of different sports on the side, play ball, do parkour and stuff.

Bottim line, Ive probably decided to go for the loose weight, keep lifting and start jumping/sprinting again plan. It just seems more prudent right now.

A lot of athletes that had to have a high bodyweight to be competitive in their respective sports eventually don't want to be THAT big anymore. And I can understand this very well. However, when being competitive is not a primary consideration right now ("I wont be able to succeed in decathlon"), then you could also compete in powerlifting in a lower weight class. Sure, you would be way better, and probably quite good, in the big-boys-classes, but that is not relevant. Your focus would be to improve by a significant margin in the weight class you choose and the nature of the lifts will make improvements and feelings of accomplishment possible for many years to come.

I don't want to persuade you btw. Your plan as it is right now sounds absolutely fine to me. I just wanted to share this perspective with you because I do not think that bodyweight or height should be a limitation for your decision IF things like "being the best", "becoming a champion" and other stuff young guys dream about, are not even the primary focus right now.

Anyways, regardless your decision, I wish you best of luck with it. I am sure you will pick what is best for YOU and what will make you happy.

Thanks Steven.

Ive considered competing in powerlifting in a lower weightclass and perhaps I might even be able to break the national record in DL in one of those classes as well. But I really want to work on relative strength more now and become beast explosive.

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I would do whichever sport I'd be most competitive in and where I see the most potential for improvement as well. But that might not be why YOU do sports. I could see why you like both sports. Powerlifting is probably a sport where you can improve hugely over time though. Do not know whether the same is true for deca.

I fully understand that view and thats probably part of the reason why powerlifting is so appealing to me. I believe I have greater potential in powerlifting/strongman or that kind of event, compard to other sports. But due to my height, I have to keep a high bw to compete in these and tbh I dont like the feel of my body anymore. Its to bulky, stiff and unathletic.

Im also considering the fact that I have a tiny daughter now, and I want to be able to play with her, without getting winded or breaking something due to my size.

I know that I wont be able to succeed in decathlon. Im to old and not explosive enough by nature. But it will improve my athleticism and Ill be able to do alot of different sports on the side, play ball, do parkour and stuff.

Bottim line, Ive probably decided to go for the loose weight, keep lifting and start jumping/sprinting again plan. It just seems more prudent right now.

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I say you work for relative strength for a while:



Improve strength for the reasons Kingfish said

But also cut some of that fat and get lean. Maybe you'll taking a liking to bodybuilding when you look better, who knows? In addition it'll get you lighter in the case you do train for the dec. or maybe you'll want to increase your vertical again.



Just another idea.

Dont like BB much. But who knows.

Anyways, my plan so far is loose ~10kg and then increase strength, without gaining more weight. So yeah that would increase my relative strength. Will add in some sprints once a week I think, to get my body used to sprinting again. Will probably try out some new program Ive been thinking up. Very exciting.

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I think you should become a bodybuilder, you'd find it a nice change of pace and it might be fun for a while. Do it for 12 weeks then go back to your training feeling nice and fresh and ready to tackle some new PRs.

I actually had something like this in mind. Not BB, but just lifting weights for a couple of months to get my strength up a bit. Ive done this before, but only to throw better. This time it would be for pure strength gains and nothing else. Could be awesome for a period.

if you are not sure what to do, then this is the best thing to keep you busy. remember, strength gains (even with proven methods) take the longest to develop.

nothing is more helpful than getting the backbone of most of the athletic movements stronger while you procrastinate deciding what to do next.

good luck!

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I think you should become a bodybuilder, you'd find it a nice change of pace and it might be fun for a while. Do it for 12 weeks then go back to your training feeling nice and fresh and ready to tackle some new PRs.

I actually had something like this in mind. Not BB, but just lifting weights for a couple of months to get my strength up a bit. Ive done this before, but only to throw better. This time it would be for pure strength gains and nothing else. Could be awesome for a period.

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: beast
« on: May 08, 2012, 05:18:03 am »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpX1YqH260Y" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpX1YqH260Y</a>



Looked damn easy.

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I like to make choices so that failure still results in some measure of improvement.

I originally got back to into sprinting 18 months ago to get back in shape and see if I could beat my old PRs.  I wanted to run 10.4.  I haven't come close since deciding to train again, in fact i've only been sub 11 once in the last year.  Still... compared to a year ago my life is immeasurably better thanks to sprinting.  I'm 30 pounds lighter and I can step on the field and play a mean game of flag football or soccer.  The general increase to my athleticism is amazing, even if I haven't rediscovered what my definition of success is as a 100m sprinter....

That's why I favor the decathalon over powerlifting.  Sure you might become a powerlifting champ.  But if not you will be an overweight fat looking guy who can lift a decent amount of iron but can't chase his kids around the house because he get's out of breath too quickly!

You also might not be a great decathalete.  But you will have a remarkable level of general fitness, learn all kids of new skills like hurdling, javelin, running and be able to beat your avg guy in a sprint, a middle distance race, and a long race.  You will be able to enjoy team sports and recreation much better and be healthier for it.

Sorry, to get on the soapbox.  Obviously, I'm a big fan of track and field.  But there is a reason why you guy's call it athletics in Europe! It's the mother of all sport.  And the decathalon is the granddaddy of all events.   Also, you are lucky if you currently have access to all the implements (ie. hurdles, pole vault, etc.)... If I had access I'd probably train to be a decathlete too!  Powerlifting equipement is much easier to come by!  

I thank you for your opinion. Obviously I love track as well. Has done it for 14 years now.

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Well why don't you do the "trendy" american teenage rebel thing these days by "exploring new things" and "finding out about yourself?"

Huh?

Bodybuilding

Nah. I would like 20inch bicpes though ;)

From what videos I've seen of you, and how you look, def powerlifting; It would seem hard/close to impossible for a guy with your body composition to look like :   You know yourself better, but my opinion is, you can't go wrong with powerlifting.

Never said I had the built to be an decathlete, I just like to do more than one disciline. Though I am naturally lighter and more lean than my current self. To get to this size has cost alot of food. :)

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What about male pole dancing?

Its "pole vaulting" and yeah, I think its part of the decathlon.. so good point.   :P

no, really, I was talking about pole dance



since flander is asking for something to focus on I just gave him and idea

Hahaha  ;D

That would not only be extremely cool and different, but also gay  :D

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Thanks all. Appreciate all you opinions. Youve voiced most of my own thoughts. Ill have to think this over. Either way, Ill continue with the hammer untill at least june, so have some time yet.

What I boil your and my thoughts down to is the following:

If I want reknown, the way to go is powerlifting. I dont stand a chance in decathlon nationally nor internationally.

For better health and a more comfortable body, I should loose weight. If youve never tried to be heavy, let me tell you, its hard. Sore joints and getting winded faster. Hurts to run or jump, ei. play ball.

If I wanted to become the strongest I could, powerlifting is the way.

As someone wrote, powerlifting I can do for years to come. To succeed just a little bit in decathlon I need to get a move on since Im already 29.

And more. My gf has a view as well, no wonder.

Thanks again all.

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What about World's Strongest Men? I had a very fat guy who bragged around for deadlifting 240 kg with pretty bad form... and I think relatively he was just deadlifting 2x. And he bragged around for participating int he local World's Strongest Men competition. They FIRST thought that came to my mind was "damn, Flander would kick this guy's ass any second and you don't see him brag about being "World's Strongest".

So... who knows, right?

Theyre absolute beasts in WSM. Most have 380+ kg DL. Wont get to that ever.

60+ reads and two comments. Does this mean everyone agrees on powerlifting?

Yup. You're a beast man, see how beastly you can be as a pure powerlifter.

Thanks man.

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60+ reads and two comments. Does this mean everyone agrees on powerlifting?

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