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It wont work raptor, it's to do with leverages and form which is strength related. To get strong enough to squat with nice form using heavy weight you need enough muscle, catch 22. It's bullshit really, we've been sold a false hope. Unless steroids or genetics, it's not possible to be both strong/athletic/lean. You can choose two but only the lucky can have all three.

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Training
FBS 0Fx135
BS 1x137.5, 1x142.5B, 0Fx150
CRLZ 5x45, 5x47.5 (PR), 5x45, 12x40 (PR)
CND - 10 mins TM @ 7.1kph, 100 skips

Squat notes:
Blah squats, back is still not recovered.

Conditioning notes:
Legs - calves and ankles fatigued significantly. I bet my legs aren't very stiff, maybe more time running will help me a lot.

Today is usually a rest day cause i train tue/thu/sat because of basketball. But now i decided to transition to mon/wed/fri so i can go to the court on friday nights and do some dunks. Just means ive not got enough rest but i took the hit since i needed to make the change eventually

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The advice was to not worry about squats, get to and stay at athletic bodyfat, maintain some baseline strength at that weight and do a lot of RFD work. That's solid advice. At the time i disagreed because for me, an athletic weight/bodyfat is stupidly light like 75kg and how strong could i be at that weight? Remember i do play basketball (sometimes lol) and how competitive could i possibly be playing a forward at that bodyweight. Terrible. Thing is i dont want to bang it down low but im always forced to because height and not having better players for those positions. I absolutely agree that if i were to somehow get adarquesque light and do a lot of RFD work, i might just maybe, become, not so slow/unathletic. I also know from experience that when i get strong (for me), i can jump pretty good even if im carrying an extra 20kg of bodyweight than at my athletic bodyweight/fat.

But ok, i'll listen for once. Lets try it your way. I'll put my squats on the side and focus on RFD and see if it can help me become more athletic. Not in any measurable sense of 100m time or SVJ/RVJ inches but in that qualitative sense of become closer in the athletic spectrum of getting ones head close to the rim on dunks and dunking it hard, you know, like in those mix tapes with those disgustingly athletic, young kids aspiring to be drafted into the league.

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Actually that helps a lot. I'm not going to mess around with incline and just stick to 0 from now. I will build up speed and time instead. Incline prob the reason i got VMO cramps last time, and i dont need to do incline sprints anyways since im building my legs with squats. Thanks.

I watched a documentary on the first coal power station in the states, i think it was in Manhattan. Eventually they realised it was such a pollution nuisance that they decided to move future power plants far away. Which is something I wish would have extended to winter heating in 2010s where most people live. I can't remember how it was in Melbourne when i lived there, i dont remember it being bad though. I've read it costs something like 8 billion dollars in health costs just from winter heating bourne pollution. People have the option for electric or gas but still choose the inconvenient and harmful firewood option, smh. Anyway enuf ranting about that lol. 

Feeling good about my lifting progress, as smashed and weak i was yesterday, i still managed to squat 130/137.5. I didn't realise it before but how much lower back strength limits my squats, not just legs, i think my legs are good for a lot more weight once my back gets a bit stronger. Next season when im playing ball, i'll def keep some back work in there, if not squats then maybe some sort of pulling exercise. Maybe as simple as lifting heavy and maintaining a regular training max. I would have done that this time, if i wasn't also cutting while training for bball. Dont think i should be cutting when going into basketball season again.

As a progress update after 6 weeks  - I would have liked to b closer to 8x130 but my bodyweight really has to start moving down soon, i feel gross being fat, so i think i will force myself to start cutting real soon to get down to a leanish 84kg. I never want to have to cut more than 3kg again, it takes ages to cut 5-10kg, i end up losing my gains anyway and becoming weak. Rather do mini cuts and bulks of around 2-3kg and keep the gains.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: June 14, 2014, 09:53:24 am »
Nice looking deadlifts, jealous! I like the idea to clean what you are going to FS/OHP. Good way to progress cleans without training for them. I hang clean all my OHP but that's because they never seem to get heavy enough to challenge. Would be cool to clean FS warmups. Maybe I should give that a try, though i dont think im strong enough to get more than 60kg right now, my next jump is 100 and im not gonna clean that any time soon haha.

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Training
FBS 1x130
BS 1x137.5, 3x127.5, 8x120 (PR)
BP 4x85, 6x80
WCU 2x89.25, 2x99.25, 1x109.25, 2x104.25, 5x94, 6x91.5

Squat notes:
Spinal erectors were torched from last workouts messy squats. Which meant everything was heavy and hard today, even warmups. Sigh. But i forced myself to do at least 130kg FS and a 137.5kg BS. I wanted 140 at least and 142.5kg ideally, but 137.5kg was a true max attempt so i didn't bother even trying 140kg from there.

It's funny, most people get their back work from doing raises/deadlifts/etc and for me, the only back work i do, is rescuing the bad squat here and there, effectively a good morning but with a weight close to a limit squat max. It gives rise to this zigzag effect where the next workout is really bad as my back recovers but after that happens, my back is then strong enough to push my squats further along from there.

Upper body:
I may be being impatient but my bench is being a real piece of shit getting back to where it was before. Stupid sexy bench press. I just wanna get 5x90 and then i'll do RSR with 90kg as my training weight.

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And im doing most of my running on the treadmill, so if there is any advice for that, in terms of what a good workout shud b, im all ears. I do it mainly for fitness but since i dont usually do anything else athletic it's better than nothing since it still involves doing something athletic..

I used to use the treadmill for cardio at my old gym. The max speed on the treadmill at my old gym was 24km/h so I'd try and built up the amount of time I could last at that speed for. E.g start of at that speed for 30 seconds than 35 seconds than 40 than 43 and try and work my way up to lasting for 2 minutes. The treadmill is also good for endurance just picking a moderate speed like 12km/h and jogging for 10 minutes or even just walking on the treadmill is good.

How's winter in Melbourne this year?

Hey Mutombo000 welcome back. Good info.  Did you mess around with the incline setting? I was wondering if it can be used to emulate hill sprints, not for any particular reason, just to see if you can do sprints without destroying legs too much for lifting, which is the main thing holding me back from sprinting regularly again. Btw maybe our treadmills are different, but i find anything over 7.5kph is challenging, lol, maybe i'm just being a pussy though and shud work up to a better speed. Winter is aite, only thing i dislike about it is that our country men can't handle a little bit of cold and resort to burning wood for heat throughout winter. Makes it unpleasant to go outside or leave a window open for fresh air. That's the only thing i hate about winter here.

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Ok, i'll take the advice and give it a shot. Not having much to lose since I'm not really in a position to go very far with my squats right now because i wont gain weight and my squats dont start feeling strong until i weigh 92-95kg. Like i've said, I'm skeptical about claims reactivity can be improved much, but at least i'll be able to say i tried it. Some questions below.

Which bounds shud i be doing. two leg ones? Is this vid a good source to learn? Also what's good technique what should i be watching out for etc?

What else shud i be doing. im ok with trying the skipping drills KF mentioned. That's easy enuf. Btw LBSS i do the dot drills every now and then when im bored at home.   Not saying i do them regularly but when i remember to, i try it out.

And im doing most of my running on the treadmill, so if there is any advice for that, in terms of what a good workout shud b, im all ears. I do it mainly for fitness but since i dont usually do anything else athletic it's better than nothing since it still involves doing something athletic..

also, i'll go the court at least 1x a week to do dunks and shoot around and do some ball handling shooting drills. Not that i think i need it. The last time i dunked was in april, and i went today and i could still dunk today even w/o warmups, which is pretty much what i expected from past experience.

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Training
FBS 1x132.5
BS 1x140, 4x132.5, 2x135, 5x125
OHP 3x60, 5x2x60

Squat notes:
Took a rep off my warmup sets and cut out a single. I like this much better. Warmup sequence was 3x100, 2x122.5, 1x132.5. Which works -- but perhaps i could progess it towards 2x125 and 1x135. And ultimately I should be looking at going from 3x100 to 2x130 as a warmup, finishing wiht a 140kg single. 120kg is just a stopgap measure while im weaker than i'd like to be.

Progressed my reps for 130kg by getting 4x132.5kg. It's possible i culd have tripled 135kg if i had attempted it before but that's ok for now. And the double was bullshit, so hard to get that 2nd rep, my form was awful and it didn't bode well for repping 125kg after that, only managing a hard 5 reps.

Upper notes: 
Making 60kg my RSR inspired training weight, let's see if it works. The idea is to always use 60, and just try to build up reps and volume over time. When i've mastered it, i'll be stronger and hopefully bigger as well.

Other shit:
About 10 dunks. Skipping rope with one and two: show up a lack of something in my R leg, L leg finds it as easy as DL skips.  CND: TM 7 mins @ 1incline, 8 kph. Had to stop at 7 minutes, my VMOs were cramping up like crazy.

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I dont get it. When the chinese coach guy told me to do ankle jumps etc in 2013, LBSS & co said lol wut. And when I asked specifically for advice for improving my athleticism (Jan-April) i got absolutely nothing, even though I was willing to try out anything. But when i decide to get back to what I think I care about (squat goals), suddenly everyone piles up giving their 2c and tell me im going about things the wrong way. So excuse me if i'm a bit annoyed.

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Reactivity can be trained. It just wont change much, maybe 2-5%, which is not nothing, but it's not as much i'll get out of squatting. That's all. Maybe a couple of percent diff to your athleticism. Proof is there are millions of slow/unathletic guys in professional sports who never change that regardless of all the plyos in the world. It's not going to change for me. But i do know if i figure out a way to get a beast squat at a low bodyweight i'll be able to jump higher. That's all. No i wont become athletic, i'll always be slow/clunky, im ok with that, its the card i was dealt. But i will be able to jump higher of a step or two - that's  going to translate well to my game. Blocking shots, grabbing rebounds, scoring inside. Dunking inside (maybe).

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I've tried that stuff before. Vag had me doing drop jumps. I did sprints. Regularly, 2-3x a week. For almost a year. What effect did they have? Probably nothing. But im annoyed because I can't prove that. It probably just kept me from training better and getting stronger. So that's why i dont want to muddle the waters now. So in future i can definitively say, see, i did this stupid gimmicky stuff and it didn't really make a difference.

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It may make a small difference (say 2-5%) but that's about it. That's not a good return of investment. I know i'll get more out of squats than any of that plyomumbojumpo. It's an icing to the cake, something you do when you've tapped out from squatting. IMHO.

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Todday you're right, it's internet wisdom for better or worse. Also if you take anabolics and don't lift, you still gain significant FFM and lose FM. Add weight training to it and you improve gains. It's not a stretch to say training specifically for hypertrophy maximises gains of mass when juicing, hence the BB style training popularised by users.

My argument in light of the above paragraph was just that if you're juicing then it doesn't really matter so much how you train because the effects of the supplements will take place regardless. It's not that you have to train differently when juicing, it's that you don't have to train the same as a natural. If you're natural though you need to train better/harder/whatever you want to call it/ to make gains.

Coges, im really really skeptical of what these guys say/claim regarding reactivity. I don't believe it. IF i was to quantify my belief in it, i'd say maybe they're 2-3% correct. Unless I see proof i'm not going to change my mind, there is a lot of bs info in training, including jump training and otherwise on the internet. My default stance is that it's bs unless i become convinced otherwise. I will be try it out myself at some point, but right now i dont want to waste my time experimenting with something i don't think will be effective. Later on, when i've exhausted gains from squats, i'll give other things a try. But i haven't done that yet. Not really. Until i get back to squatting near 180kg while weighing a lean 85kg, i don't have any reason to try other stuff which will probably do close to nothing. My bias is my bias, i don't make excuses for it, that's how i see it.

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Yeah winter. Southern hemisphere reprezent !

I can do some of that stuff if you think it will help with reactivity. But then it's hard to tell where the gains came from. Last time i can say definitively i got 100% of my gains from squatting bc that's all i did. No plyos, sprints, ankle hops etc. But if i start mixing up with other stuff it will make it hard to tell apart cause and effect

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