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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Utilization of Strength
« on: August 30, 2011, 09:19:36 pm »
Quote from: Raptor on August 30, 2011, 10:31:24 am
What about BSS vs Squat for one leg jumpers? You can say BSS is more specific, but uses less total weight. However, is the total weight important? Or is what important the amount of load per leg?

For example:

What would be more difficult (let's pretend the guy doing this has no issues with balancing):

5 reps with 80 kg on the BSS
OR
5 reps with 160 kg on the squat.

How do you define "difficult"? How do you define the training effect that happens after doing this ^^^? What is more important - the amount of tension that occurs in the leg in the BSS or the amount of overall "body" tension that occurs during the squat? What if you use say 130 kg on the squat? What then? Can you say that a BSS makes you aware and able to concentrate all your might (nervous energy if you will) on one limb better than a squat would do?

Obviously the thing is, in training, consistency. That's what's important. But we talk about stuff like this because we (at least I do) like the challenge of deciphering all these "enigmas" (for some, others have a strong belief in one method or another).

I think Pavel Tsatsouline said that what's most important is the amount of tension in a muscle more than anything, it doesn't matter through what methods - traditional, iso, eccentric, whatever.

The best argument I've read on this topic is that bilateral lifts simply produce more power than single leg lifts. So if your training goal is power related, it just makes sense to focus on increasing resistance and power production through a bilateral lift like the squat- simply because the potential to apply force is greater than with a single leg lift. You have to think that power is very specific to training itself.

Max power output is the most specific work that I focus on in the gym because I can't apply the force necessary to reach my goals yet. But single leg lifts can definitely help a lot as accessory. I have seen my single leg jump really improve after mixing in step ups and some other single leg lifts, but they weren't heavy at all.  I don't see why you would want to replace squats with bss as your main lift. It would probably work a lot better if you do heavy squats first then do bss with lighter weight and move them fast. You'd get the best of both worlds.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Sprinting technique tips
« on: August 22, 2011, 08:21:36 pm »
Whats the issue when you tilt the body back when trying to reach max velocity? Had that happen to me when I tried to run 100m and it made for a very uncomfortable race.

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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / Re: General Strength Training Principles
« on: August 09, 2011, 09:53:23 pm »
Ok cool the hypertrophy last set makes a lot of sense. I just have one more connected question. I have also read that doing high intensity work, both weights and sprints/ jumps, on the same day has a greater effect because the sum is greater than the parts. Do you agree with this idea of having 2-3 very high intensity days where you combine the weights and sprints/jumps and scheduling a couple of low intensity conditioning days around them? And if so, should the sprints/jumps be done after or before the weights considering that the lifts occur explosively as previously mentioned?

Really appreciate the advice Lance as it gives me something concrete instead of the trail & error stuff I do.

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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / Re: General Strength Training Principles
« on: August 09, 2011, 01:46:55 pm »
So say the max weight I can move explosively on DB Bench were 65s for 4 sets of 6. Can I set it up so I lift 65, 65, 65, & 70 on the last set where I have to move it slow and controlled. Then I would do this until the 70 moves explosively and next weeks set up looks like 65, 65, 70, 70. So basically I would do 3 explosive sets and one controlled set that is over my explosive threshold. Would it make sense to progress weights that way?

Also, would all I be doing is increasing the percentage of my max that I can lift explosively or would my max strength also increase?

Thanks a lot for the reply.

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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / General Strength Training Principles
« on: August 09, 2011, 01:15:29 am »
I've done a good amount of reading on strength training and there is one principle that I'm still very unsure of since the answers tend to vary from source to source. I'll start the question from personal experience and then generalize it since I feel it might be easier to understand that way.

With nearly every exercise whether it be squats, rdls, rows, or bench I feel that I generate more power when I do my reps very quickly and get into a nice rhythm that way. When I say quickly, I mean that I almost drop the weight during the eccentric phase, although I feel that its done in a controlled manner. I can definitely say that I generate more power than I would if I executed the exercise in a "strict" fashion because I move the weight with greater speed and the force of the weight does not stop at the end of the concentric movement but instead contributes to an even quicker eccentric action and so the cycle is repeated throughout the set. Not only do I feel that I generate more power when I lift this way, but the neural drive and excitement is greatly elevated. Naturally, I can only lift this way with submax weight in the 60-85% range (just a guess). I'm sure most people experience this.

So the question I have is whether it is optimal to lift this way? I have heard two different viewpoints. One suggests that lifting explosively for power is sport specific because athletic movements occur in the same fashion. While the other suggests that lifting weights is generally not sport specific at all so strength training should focus on placing the muscles under greater tension. If I'm not mistaken, muscles face greater tension when they are under the weight for a longer period of time so this viewpoint naturally recommends lifting in a strict and controlled fashion which will naturally be slower. This viewpoint would typically suggest that the specific movement and power would be developed through the movement itself ie. developing sprinting through sprinting or something close such as bounding.

I'm very uncertain on which strength training principle is more accurate since they both seem very reasonable. I prefer the explosive way of lifting because it feels more natural and the neural stimulant resulting from it is much more exciting and enjoyable but I also want to lift the way that will help my performance the most (sprinting faster and jumping higher). What are your thoughts on the matter?

Sorry for the long drawn-out post.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: August 08, 2011, 04:20:59 pm »
Quote from: adarqui on August 08, 2011, 12:47:00 pm
Quote from: Ineedtodunk on August 08, 2011, 09:38:42 am
700 calories or less?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?  GOD DAMN!

lol ya its nutty



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Are you serious about the 135lbs?

100% serious that's the goal



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If so, you think you'll be able to maintain strength at that weight?

ya but if not, ill be able to rebuild it at those bodyweights.. i think im capable of 405 x 1 pin controlled squat at 130-135 completely shredded.. i might lose a small amount of muscle in the cut process, but mostly fat.. once i get to my goal weight, ill be able to eat really good and the strength training will be able to resume properly.. right now im still really strong even with this low calorie diet/weight cut.. i was never able to just walk up to 305 lb and squat it 5 times off pins at 155+.. so that's a good sign.. sure it's not 405, but, with 2-3 weeks of training i'd be back up around there if i wanted too.. i dont really want to right now as im trying to heal up my body a bit too.. so far so good hah...... aches/injuries been NONE (knees feeling good) for like 2 weeks basically.

pC


Man 135 does seem crazy seeing that you're 150 at 6'+. I've noticed you try to keep very lean and I was wondering what your reasoning is and if the fact that you consider yourself to be more naturally advanced in the endurance end of the power/ strength spectrum plays a role in the way you train/ diet.

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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / Re: One-leg strength jumping exercises
« on: August 08, 2011, 03:54:38 pm »
I'm pretty much the same way. I jump my best off one leg when I'm at my strongest and my legs are extremely stiff. I sort of bound my way during the run-up and have a really forceful plant and push with the entire foot touching down.

Its quite the opposite with my two foot jumps as I jump my highest when I feel very loose and and the jump is almost effortless and more reactive.

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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / Re: Barefoot training
« on: August 05, 2011, 01:18:08 am »
Quote from: LanceSTS on August 05, 2011, 12:32:53 am
With jumping and sprinting you dont want a bunch of soft compressive material under your foot but you also dont want a heavy bulky shoe.  Waffles are a good option because they give a little extra protection but with a very thin sole that isnt going to cause you to lose a lot of force transfer between you and the ground. If you play basketball as your sport youre going to have to compete in basketball shoes, so its best to find a good shoe that provides some solid stability without a lot of extra bulk on it and a good connection to the ground.

Are these waffles effective for sprinting on grass, I need to get some new training shoes? I think the main factor with shoes is simply comfort. I don't think they factor into my vert more than an inch. But I def feel that jumping on basketball wooden courts adds an extra 2-3 inches compared to concrete or asphalt.

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: startingstrength.com is talking shit about me, wtf?
« on: August 05, 2011, 01:09:16 am »
Quote from: Avishek on August 05, 2011, 12:22:32 am
Meditation will solve all these problems. It will slow you down, and you will be like "why so serious? . . ahhhh." It's not some new age shit. It's just exercise for the brain, it reduces emotional swings (if you want that reference PM, cuz I can't find it right now and it's too late), so helps provide us with that sense of self.

Dude I used to smoke some legit shit myself. Unfortunately I had to stop because Ill get tested once I find work.

But why the need to call people out and generalize their personalities? Seriously not cool or necessary.

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: startingstrength.com is talking shit about me, wtf?
« on: August 04, 2011, 04:29:05 pm »
Yea I guess I should've let it but I thought it might be a bit too dramatic and I'm nice guy lol. Who knows maybe Ill get another chance to get you back for trolling me!!

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: startingstrength.com is talking shit about me, wtf?
« on: August 04, 2011, 01:06:21 pm »
Lol how's that for my first attempt at trolling? did i come on a little too strong? sorry to blow up your cover early, forum rookie mistake...

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: startingstrength.com is talking shit about me, wtf?
« on: August 04, 2011, 01:03:48 pm »
Quote from: adarqui on August 04, 2011, 01:49:22 am
Quote from: undoubtable on August 04, 2011, 01:31:11 am
Andrew, I joined your site about a month ago and one of the main reasons for it was the attitude that you display in your videos and your passion for training. I was getting shit from all of my friends and they would constantly make fun of me about wanting to jump higher. I would even go to the gym at odd times because I was embarrassed to train my vertical in front of people. Seeing your videos and you doing the shit you do for the love of it and the euphoria that you get from jumping inspired me to do what I want to do and not give a fuck what anyone else thinks.

sick..................................... means alot


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I still get self-conscious about the looks I get from people and the shit I hear them say behind my back but I just keep my focus because I do it for me. I workout the way I want right in front of the "bros" that go to my gym. Its bothering me that your taking offense to what some random ass pussies are saying when you know of the success you've had with jumping and dunking. You even have all the people in this forum who appreciate what you've achieved and will continue to achieve. I didn't want to get on your dick this hard but it pisses me off to see that you're losing sleep over this bullshit.

Just keep doing you instead of stressing over this gay shit when you could spend your time training or properly recovering your mind and body.

thanks alot man, but just in case you didn't know.. im not losing any sleep over anything etc.. im fine

havnt stressed over any of the stuff on startingstrength forum also

i'd rather not have typed that in this thread but it seems alot of people are "worrying" about my comments etc.. you must place them in proper context of the situation :F

i never have, nor ever will care what anyone is saying about me.. i do what i love, try to motivate others, and that's it... if you ever see my "type" or "say" otherwise, it's for some other reason :F .......................................... perhaps entertainment.............. HEH.

peace man, appreciate the concern but im good.

Wtf man I open up my heart in legitimate concern and it was all a joke.... That's some fkd up shit man and you straight up made me look silly... I'm glad you enjoyed your trolling operation at the expense of my feelings... Real cool buddy

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: startingstrength.com is talking shit about me, wtf?
« on: August 04, 2011, 01:31:11 am »
Andrew, I joined your site about a month ago and one of the main reasons for it was the attitude that you display in your videos and your passion for training. I was getting shit from all of my friends and they would constantly make fun of me about wanting to jump higher. I would even go to the gym at odd times because I was embarrassed to train my vertical in front of people. Seeing your videos and you doing the shit you do for the love of it and the euphoria that you get from jumping inspired me to do what I want to do and not give a fuck what anyone else thinks.

I still get self-conscious about the looks I get from people and the shit I hear them say behind my back but I just keep my focus because I do it for me. I workout the way I want right in front of the "bros" that go to my gym. Its bothering me that your taking offense to what some random ass pussies are saying when you know of the success you've had with jumping and dunking. You even have all the people in this forum who appreciate what you've achieved and will continue to achieve. I didn't want to get on your dick this hard but it pisses me off to see that you're losing sleep over this bullshit.

Just keep doing you instead of stressing over this gay shit when you could spend your time training or properly recovering your mind and body.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfish
« on: July 30, 2011, 01:34:28 am »
Hey Kingfish, how do you determine what percentage of full squat to use for your jump squats and what have you found to be the most effective? Great stuff btw, your consistency/ progress is crazy impressive.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Peaking for a combine
« on: July 29, 2011, 10:37:31 pm »
Thanks Lance, that's very useful stuff...

There is evidence to support both sides of the argument so I doubt you can say that having a good vertical results in slower speeds. I believe that running is a complex skill in itself and maybe some of those guys with great power output haven't mastered it like others.

Evidence supporting low vertical (relatively) but crazy speed:

Jacoby Ford: 33.5 vertical, 9'7 broad jump, 4.28 40yard dash, 10.21 100m
DeSean Jackson : 34.5 vertical, 10'2 broad jump, 4.35 40yd

Evidence of great verts and speed

Trindon Holliday: 42 vert, 9'8" bj, 4.34 40yd, 10.00 100m !!
Calvin Johnson: 44.5 vert, 11'10 bj, 4.33 40yd <---- Crazyyyyy ass shitt

Also I know Bryan Clay has been tested at 43' and Harry AA at 40'

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