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Hey LBSS, do you actually do a progression (different exercises than the bounds themselves) or you go directly into bounds?

Because I suck much more than you at them, I can't even visualize in my head what to do (for the LRLR version).

I also partially disagree with Today - yeah, you might not get the hip action yet, but you get plenty of calf and foot "stimulation". So let's not ignore that part, especially for you.

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- improve calf flexibility/dorsiflexion

That's exactly what I thought of when I read "hypermobile" in lowerback, knees and hips (although hypermobile knees is something I have never heard of). Hypermobility sounds like a compensatory thing for a hypomobile other joint, and the only joint left would be the ankle.

But guess what? Doing these bounds will also build dorsiflexion, if you use the proper landing/planting mechanics (and you seem like you do in your videos). So...

1623
Just for the record, i am with raptor here. Good fail or bad fail , it is a fail and it fucks up your CNS plus increases injury risks. Not that you should never fail or that your progress with that programming was not jaw-dropping anyway, but imho failing too often is not optimal. You could have achieved even more.
According to your preferred style of training, i think you could benefit a lot going kingfish-style:
Not daily, you will AREG the frequency. But whenever you train, build up to a heavy single ( 90%+ ) and try to evaluate how much more you had in you like he does. When you repeat a couple of +20lbs sessions, advance. If you need the volume, add a back-off set, but look again how much he reduces the weight, he singles 450lbs and does back-off with 315. Also look at how patient he is to get a PR, he might wait for weeks or months. Finally look how he AREGs the whole thing, carefully deloading and waiting for his body to recover when beat, constantly attacking when strong.
Just another possibility to consider :D

This ^^^

I mean look, if you feel you need volume right now, and it's a good time to do it, by all means - go for it! Just pay more attention to recovery and you'll progress and it will also be less frustrating.

1624
In the winter? You're in Australia or what?

Do some depth jumps in the gym or ankle jumps, jump squats, very low volumes. 2x10 or so. Before squatting. It will also fire up the CNS a bit so they might benefit the squats if the volume is low enough.

Also KB swings work well to warm you up and potentiate that posterior chain.

1625
Well, good luck, we'll see how this goes.

But my understanding is that you're focused 100% on strength work right now, with no basketball, plyo or any explosive work whatsoever.

And when and if you get strong, you're going to come back to power work and see your strength numbers drop once again, and get you depressed once again.

You need a way to maintain your power and movement efficiency in a strength block, and a way to maintain your strength in a power/plyo/dunk block.

1626
Yes, but if that's your plan, don't MAX out... "kinda max out". Go 95%. Don't go full 100%.

Go for a daily max. Work up in weight set to set in your warm-ups until you get to a weight that is heavy, but not grinding. If you do this, you won't blow up your CNS, you'll give your body the time it needs to adapt (and to adapt to an actual lift instead to adapt to failure) AND you will be able to repeat this more often (more good exposure = more adaptation) while still being fresh enough to do other stuff.

That's the point I'm trying to make. If you really want to max out literally, do it every once in a while. Train submaximally, but say every month or so max out and see where you are and how you've adapted. Then back off significantly after that max out day, doing easy stuff for a while (say, for 3 days after your max-out day use 80, 85 and 90% on your max single instead of that 95%).

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Yes but you need more volume for what? Is strength your current focus, dissing everything aside? Because yes, a higher volume, assuming you recover well enough, is better for strength gains, as is a higher exposure (frequency). But the question is - do you recover well enough for you to progress? If doing more work was the answer, then we'd all be squatting 8 hours/day 7 days a week and be the best athletes in the world.

It's the recovery where you grow, but you already know that.

And your display of failed attempts can mean one of two things: overtraining or just poor judgement on choosing your weights. And even if it is "just poor judgement", that will eventually lead to overtraining. You staying under a maximal weight (or even heavier) bar very often and failing will eat a ton out of your CNS and your recovery abilities. If you don't deload soon, bad stuff will happen.

1628
Quote from: Brent kimmy
I used to do this, back when I still scoured t-nation for useful articles, thought Dan John was more than a high school PE teacher

^ lol

relax raptor, that overtraining, HIIT nonsense is bs. Naturals have to work hard and lift heavy/hard to make progress. You read too much nonsense from people who like selling their easier sounding pussy training bs off as wisdom

Not at all. Naturals can't afford to work as hard as people taking steroids, or as genetically gifted people. Why? Because they lack the recovery abilities of those people. If there's anything that steroids or good genetics does, then it's great recovery, among other things.

So a hard gainer actually needs to work less in order to maximize recovery.

The fact that you list endless failed attempts does nothing but to prove your continuous road towards overtraining and ultimately, failure and even health risk.

1629
Where the heck is J-DUB when you need him?

1630
Quote from: entropy

Legs were jelly, had no desire to front squat heavy but i forced myself to attempt a 132kg max single anyway

i had meant to do triple with 130kg but wore myself out before i could attempt them

A string of failures today when I should have done a lot better. Oh well. I prob picked the wrong weight after getting that 2nd very good triple, should have done doubles with 135kg after that, or maybe just one double and then another double with 132.5 or something like that instead of failing 2 doubles!

Im getting that dreadful about-to-hit-the-wall feeling as I aproach 120kg though

That 130 was a max effort lift though. I think i repeat it until i can get the 130kg easier

I wanted to do triples or doubles with 135-137.5kg, in reality the 135 doubles were close enough to 2RM that i had no business thinking of doing more sets

My goal from last session was to do a PR of 8x120kg today -- but -- having failed the 4th rep of 130kg

so i thought go for the 7x122.5 PR instead, and came close but failed the 7th

It's been so long since i front squatted 130kg but we're back there albeit it's a ugly grindy max right now rather than easy warmup


In contrast:

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In the classic text on training the prototypical power athlete, the high jumper, Dr. Vladimir Dyachkov
offered a timeless recipe for Easy Strength training. The Distinguished Coach of the USSR advised to
stop the strength training session when the athlete starts feeling fatigue or starts experiencing a loss of
speed or a decrease in muscle elasticity. Dyachkov stressed that high-caliber jumpers have no business
training to failure. He also recommended that the athlete limit his reps with heavy weights to 1 or 2 and
to stay with 3 or 4 even with light weights.
By the way, Vladimir Dyachkov was no armchair quarterback. He was the USSR champion and record
holder in the high jump, the 110 m sprint hurdling, and the pole vault. Dyachkov won his last national title
at the age of 41, and his showdowns with Ozolin in the pole vault are legendary.

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For the record, I have no interest in what you “could have” made. Please, no failures on max
deadlifts. Just make the lifts! For whatever reason, max DLs seem to take a ton out of your CNS,
and it doesn’t come back easily. Max DL misses seem to take even more out of the body. So again,
make the damn lifts!
I don’t suggest more than 2 max attempts, and most people are only good for 6 DLs in a heavy
workout. So, I consider that warm-up with 135 for a single part of the 6. If you don’t know how
to deadlift perfectly or at least properly, don’t use a max as a teaching unit. Please, know what you
are doing when you grip the bar, and leave it all on the table for these few attempts.
Does it work? Oh, absolutely. I love to tease men who are using an exaggerated vocabulary
about some minute fitness detail and tell them that they are almost as strong as my homecoming
queen with a 355 deadlift. So, save those max efforts for max efforts!

On the other side of the spectrum we have this:

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The heavier the athletic implement, the more power gains an athlete can squeeze out of more
strength and vice versa. A javelin thrower will hit his point of diminishing strength returns sooner than a
shot putter, and a weightlifter will never hit his. But good luck finding an event in which strength is not
needed. German scientists Jürgen Hartmann and Harold Tünneman stress:
It should be noted that movements of negligible resistance are a rare occurrence in sports. Body
mass must be overcome explosively by sprinters and swimmers on starting, by fencers at flèche, and
by volleyball players when jumping at the net. Boxers, fencers, and javelin throwers must be able to
develop considerable strength to accelerate their equipment in addition to the resistance of the
mass of their arms (approximately 5% of their body mass).
An advanced athlete needs to get stronger in the time-deficit zone. One way to do this is what
Zatsiorsky termed the dynamic effort (DE) method, back in the 1960s. According to him, this method “is
used not for increasing maximal strength but only to improve the rate of force development and explosive
strength.” The parameters for DE training offered by Professor Verkhoshansky are 5 to 10 RM
weights lifted for sets of 3 to 4 reps and with the focus on the maximum rate of force development.
Fred Hatfield pioneered the use of DE as a combined modality for developing both explosive and
absolute strength: compensatory acceleration training (CAT), or maximally accelerating a moderate weight
throughout the concentric range of motion. His recommended protocol is 60% to 85% for 5 x 5 of
squats or other big and long movements with 5 minutes of rest. Dr. Squat assures:
Powerlifters who are using this technique have never failed to add well over 100 pounds to their
squat . . . in three months or less. Many football players I have trained claim that they are coming off
the mark far more explosively than they had ever done before, and basketball players are jumping
as much as five or six inches higher than before. . . . This technique requires very concentrated effort
on your part. You must concentrate! Concentrate on exploding every inch of the way through the
movement—not just initially or at the top, but all the way.

The examples are endless. Do with this information whatever you feel is right.

1631
Maybe weak quads?

Probably weak everything  :D

:D

Well, at least I can deadlift over 400 lbs

1632
Basketball / Re: A WHOLE BUNCH OF DUNKS AND SHIT.
« on: June 10, 2014, 01:10:57 am »
dunk thread is nuts lately..

Makes you wanna come back to dunking, eh? :ibjumping:

 :trollface:

1633
Maybe weak quads?

1634
It's good when your 60% squat is 300 lbs

1635
From "Easy Strength":

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The difference between exercising and training is having a point. Exercise is done to waste
energy—burn calories—or to “blow off steam,” excess mental and physical energy, and tension.
Training is done in order to improve something—strength, endurance, neuromuscular control, etc.
Exercise is a singular event with an immediate goal.
The success of training can only be judged by changes over time in performance. Exercise doesn’t
have a point beyond the immediate session—if you leave the gym a sweaty mess, it was a good
exercise session or “workout.” If you show up every day and breathe hard and get tired and sweaty,
you may consider yourself to be successful at exercise. By contrast, training can only be judged as a
success if it works—that is, if after an appropriate amount of time you can clearly show improved
capacity for physical work. You may show up every day and push and pull and grunt and sweat and
even limp to your car—but be terribly UNsuccessful at training, if over time you are not getting any
stronger, faster, leaner, more agile, better at your chosen sport, etc. . . .
Swinging a weight around with the express goal of becoming extremely fatigued is what I would
do if I had a lobotomy. With a frontal lobotomy destroying my ability to plan over the long term, I
would believe that the goal of exercise was achieving a certain specific response—I would search
for the immediate effect of exercise. I would forget that as biological organisms, we not only respond
in the short term to a stimulus but also adapt in the long term to the sum total of stimuli we are
presented with—so long as we are able to recover. The idea that anything that made me horrendously
fatigued, to the point of nausea, vomiting, dehydration, hyponatremia, and even rhabdomyolosis,
would constitute an effective—or “killer”—workout would appeal to my zombie-like, shortterm-
thinking mind. I would strive in my workouts for “failure,” or forcing my body to stop working.
Fascinated by the immediate effects of exercise and unable to plan, I would work at top voluntary
intensity every time I exercised, always attempting to maximally disrupt my body functions. I would
also be unable to follow a program, so I would change exercises constantly, attempting to “confuse”
my body and prevent it from “getting used to” my exercise sessions. I would change aimlessly,
regardless of whether the exercises were useful or dangerous, choosing them solely based on how
bad they made me feel. . . .
If you want pain, learn Muay Thai. If you
want to learn about failure, play golf. If you
want to vomit, drink syrup of ipecac. If you
want to become stronger and more fit,
train appropriately.

Dr. Mel Siff:

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To me, the sign of a really excellent routine is one which places great demands on the athlete, yet
produces progressive long-term improvement without soreness, injury or the athlete ever feeling
thoroughly depleted. Any fool can create a program that is so demanding that it would virtually kill
the toughest marine or hardiest of elite athletes, but not any fool can create a tough program that
produces progress without unnecessary pain.

Professor Thomas Fahey, one of the top American sports scientists, wrote:

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A few years ago, I did some experiments with the college basketball
team that involved them only doing single, doubles, and
triples for whole body lifts (cleans, snatches, overhead squats,
bench press, standing press, etc). They got very strong but had
plenty of energy for playing basketball. They were in and out of
the weight room in 20–30 minutes.

Pavel Tsatsouline:

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Steve Baccari is a stickler for perfect form, and he discovered that
none of his fighters could do 5 perfect deadlift reps. Doubles hit the
spot. Some fighters with perfect technique are allowed to do triples.
Interestingly, 2 is the most preferred rep choice of the Russian
National Weightlifting Team.
Two or three is a great rep range to emphasize in an Easy Strength
program. Four or five is where neural training and muscle building meet, which means you could end up
with some hypertrophy. This is out of the question in sports like boxing.
Singles, doubles, and triples are pure nerve force training. Singles, however, are very demanding on the
nervous system. Do a few, but don’t abuse them. Dan John lifts ten times in two weeks. Only two of
these workouts are singles and only one comes close to his max.
Hence, doubles and triples rule when it comes to Easy Strength with zero mass gain. But if your sport
does not punish muscle gain, don’t be afraid to train with fives more often. Regardless, go easy on the singles.

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Soviet weightlifting champion and authority Robert Roman demonstrated that recovery is rapid and
soreness is minimal after low-rep, low-set heavy lifting. Just what the doctor ordered for an athlete.
High-rep training can be painfully ineffective and inefficient in building absolute strength. A friend of Dan’s
undertook a valiant effort of pushing his deadlift to 405 x 20. When he tested his 1 RM, he got—425.
Strength and power gains are superior with heavy low-rep training. Dyachkov had two groups of athletes
squat. One repped out to failure with 70% 1 RM, and the other did low reps with near-max
weights. When it was all said and done, the high-rep group improved their squat by 13.7 kilograms and
the low-rep group gained twice as much: 26.,3 kilograms. The standing vertical jump was measured, as
well. The “reppers” improved by 8.7 centimeters and the “near-maxers” by 13.3 centimeters.

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