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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: squat workout
« on: October 12, 2011, 09:19:20 pm »
I second wider stance and weightlifting shoes for sure. Your torso is fine though, just a little skinny.

Regarding the actual movement, it is out of balance. I am sure you have realized this yourself every time you feel the weight shift to balls of the feet or to the heels. You want it over mid-foot. The reason for that is not merely balance but mechanics. You are using a high-bar position with torso lean that more closely resembles that of the low-bar squat leading to you having problems controlling the bar going forward. I recommend adjusting the bar position and widen the stance in combination with some reasonable shoes for squats. And a t-shirt.

Edit: And I don't see how Raptor can interpret this as a vertical bar path. His definition of vertical must be really weird :-p

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: What To Do
« on: October 12, 2011, 10:49:37 am »
What was your best powersnatch back then Gary and at what bodyweight was that?

Not really sure. I weighed about 80 kilos when I was seriously pursuing higher classic lift numbers last year. I got my best snatch to 74 kilos at the time. My technique wasn't the most efficient and I was slooooooow (22" vertical) so my power snatch wasn't that much lower, maybe 70 kilos or so. I could probably power snatch 135 lbs right now without too much trouble and maybe 145.

Thanks for responding. My thoughts are that improving the full snatch might not be the best training tool for other athletic activities besides weightlifting. The power snatch is superior for jumping because power output is higher since you have to accelerate the bar to a greater height and catching the weight in a high position can supposedly act similarly to performing weighted plyometrics.
IMO there is no recipe against being slow except to get stronger and train explosively with exercises such as the powersnatch. Performing jumps and planning for them in your training schedule (meaning: program them!) is terribly important as well if increasing jumping is the goal. I see nothing wrong with including bands or weight vests for jump training but would suggest that this should be done supplementary to one or two explosive lifts. So you could perform weighted jumps or jumps with bands together with powersnatches on one day. On another day you would do powercleans and sets of unweighted jumps.
The reason is, that I see training with bands or powerjumper much more like real jump training in comparison to general training for explosiveness. Obviously there is no clear cut line separating the two but in terms of similarity (of speed and movement) this should be intuitive. On the continuum from strength to speed it would make sense for people other than beginners to include a greater variety of exercises between squats and jumps. The greater the resistance, the more similarity there is to the full squat in terms of movement speed. The lower the resistance, the closer an exercise resembles a real jump. I suggest that for people, that see no improvement of jump height following a substantial increase in the squat, other exercises should be included and improved upon beginning with those that are more on the strength side of the continuum. So for such a trainee the first thing that would need to be introduced is the powerclean. Eventually a variation of the powersnatch should be added and jumping with bands and forms of plyometric training come thereafter. Thereby the gap between the exercise that is trained and improved upon to the vertical jump becomes smaller with every addition. This would, theoretically, lead to an improvement in jump height eventually. Following the logical guideline that one should not do more than what is necessary, I oppose the trend in performance training to unsystematically throw every kind of exercise variation on a trainee in the hopes that one or the other exercise will help eventually. So in my opinion, after squats and jumps alone don't cut it anymore one would introduce the powerclean and only the powerclean, get substantially better in those and see what happens to the jump. Improvements will dry out and step by step more exercises can be introduced and some might replace others. What I wrote is hypothetical so far and should not be taken as fact. But it is at least a model that can be validated and could function as a guideline of exercise selection for beginner and intermediate trainees.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: What To Do
« on: October 04, 2011, 06:49:33 pm »
If you don't feel comfortable and explosive in powersnatch/powerclean don't use it.

Do you think he would be unable to get comfortable with those lifts?

I am not saying he should do those rather than the other exercises you listed. But I think you should use what you think works best and then make it happen and learn what needs to be learned.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: What To Do
« on: October 04, 2011, 04:44:57 pm »
I think if you had such great success with jumping + bands you should probably try that again. That would only be logical to do. But there might be other reasons for this success that are not related to that method itself. I guess the only way to find out is to use the power jumper and see if it works again.
I think powersnatches work well to enhance SVJ. I think jumpsquats are by far the inferior solution but there might be ways to address some of the problems with them. In the way they are generally used I think their implementation is problematic though. That is because most don't use tools to measure progress with them and don't have an idea of how to program jumpsquats. This makes it a hit or miss solution largely depended on chance. They can work, but can also do nothing for you at all. Powersnatches can be programmed similarly to other lifts and progress can be measured a lot easier.

But yeah, try the power jumper if it worked well before. I am just saying that it might not lead to success this time. Still, best of luck and report how it goes.

TM is looking good btw. I would switch focus from bench-press to press every other week though. And you would need to be clever about implementing the explosive stuff in there.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: What To Do
« on: October 04, 2011, 04:02:24 pm »
What was your best powersnatch back then Gary and at what bodyweight was that?

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: What To Do
« on: October 04, 2011, 02:09:55 am »
Linear progression on a Texas Method set up to get my detrained ass back to my old levels. Consuming mass quantities because I have discovered that my strength levels are directly tied to what I weigh.

You "discovered" that only recently?

My question is on what to do on my light days. I was thinking front squat instead of back squat and only as heavy as allows me to maintain perfect form.

But what about an explosive movement? I am not built for Olympic style weightlifting and I really don't know how effective that stuff is for me. That's why I started using jumping + bands as my power training.

I'm not even sure I should resume dedicated jump training while my strength levels are so low anyway.

Any thoughts? Maybe just do front squat with upper body press and pull?

Back squat on light days will probably work better if the goal is improving the squat itself. The reason is that it allows the body to do the same movement and thus maintain movement efficacy but with a weight that allows for regeneration instead of added fatigue. The front squat is a lighter movement per default, but using them on light days yields no benefits other than variety.

Regarding explosive lifts... Having bad levers for olympic lifting does not mean that it is not a good way to train. It does not matter that you might not put up the numbers of a competitive weightlifter, but making progress in powersnatch and powerclean will have a decent carryover to jumping up to a certain point.

Post your TM template please.

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Nutrition & Supplementation / Re: Any Help Would Be Great
« on: September 06, 2011, 11:07:28 am »
Hey there. i'm looking for a bit of advice. i am a 6 foot 15 year old 75 kg (160lbs) male with my body fat making up around 20-30% of my body weight. i want to lose half of that and then focus on building up my muscle in all areas. i am willing to start on a diet and would like to know what foods people eat, when, how, how often or anything like tht to help me lose weight at the start and maintain my energy levels. i will be workoing ut while doing this. I also have a topic in Strenght, Power, Reactivity & Speed Discussion so if anyone has any other adivce for exercises that would be great.

Thank you for your time  :D

Post a picture. I want to see how 30% bf looks like on a 75 kg, 6' guy.

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Program Review / Re: argentina 100m national team strenght fase
« on: September 05, 2011, 09:07:33 pm »
what would you guys said about this schedule? its what top sprinters in argentina are doing right know, crazy volume!!! :wowthatwasnutswtf:

warm up
leg extensions 4x8
leg curls           4x8

front squat       2x6/2x4/2x2
back squat       2x6/2x4/2x2
1/4 squat         6x6

three days a week + upper body + conditioning...
you must be on roids to finish this and make gains

Hm, I think the volume might be pretty high depending on whether all those are actual work sets. If the weight gets ramped up from 2x6 to 2x2 in big jumps then that would change the perspective a little. I wonder about the exercise selection though. Not a fan of the leg extensions. Would also do leg curls at the end. Don't know why they front squat in the same session with back squats. Why do they front squat at all?
I think it is looking weird, but sure you can get stronger with that, even without roids. The most resource efficient approach? Don't think so.

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You don't need to have a degree to be a coach / trainer. Especially not in the fields mentioned in this thread so far. The majority of things you will need to know about you will likely not learn in college / university studying exercise science anyways. Getting a degree is not a bad idea in general though. But you might be better off making a business major and learn training related things in your free time through learning from great coaches, reading, asking questions and collecting experience in the weight room / on the track. Compete in a sport as well if you do not already. Get an idea what exactly it is that you want to do as well and get a plan how to accomplish those goals. This includes financial aspects of this endeavor as well. Talk to people who have been down this road and get an idea of what this is about. There are plenty of good coaches on the internet offering Q&A and you might ask for specific advice there as well. Just don't be naive thinking that a degree in Exercise Science is going to give you the job you wish for OR make you a great coach.

I get you, I just figured if I'm going to go to college, I might as well major in something that interests me, that's all. By no means did I mean it will automatically give me a job, I know that. I totally get you though, thank you for the feedback! 

I can understand that you want to study something that you are interested in and in general I would encourage that. But I would advise you to go ahead and listen to some lectures in uni or college before committing to this. That way you can form an opinion whether this might be useful and interests you after all. Good luck with everything!

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You don't need to have a degree to be a coach / trainer. Especially not in the fields mentioned in this thread so far. The majority of things you will need to know about you will likely not learn in college / university studying exercise science anyways. Getting a degree is not a bad idea in general though. But you might be better off making a business major and learn training related things in your free time through learning from great coaches, reading, asking questions and collecting experience in the weight room / on the track. Compete in a sport as well if you do not already. Get an idea what exactly it is that you want to do as well and get a plan how to accomplish those goals. This includes financial aspects of this endeavor as well. Talk to people who have been down this road and get an idea of what this is about. There are plenty of good coaches on the internet offering Q&A and you might ask for specific advice there as well. Just don't be naive thinking that a degree in Exercise Science is going to give you the job you wish for OR make you a great coach.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Squatting
« on: September 04, 2011, 08:17:14 am »
Sorry.  Typo on the example.  Assume the athlete is initially a 150 pound athlete squatting 300 pounds and becomes a 200 pound athlete squatting 450 pounds. 

Anyway, the mechanism that makes him slower is the increase in bodyweight.  At max V the squat loses its specificity to the relative strength the athlete needs to exhibit and no longer is a good predictor of performance. 

For comparison we could instead look at vertical jump and three hypothetical athletes.  All three athletes begin at 150lbs with 200 lb bench press, 300 lb squat and 400 lb deadlift.  All three increase their bodyweight to 200 lbs to gain strength in one of the lifts.  Athlete A now bench presses 500 lbs but his squat and deadlift are unchanged.  Athlete B now squats 600 lbs but his bench and deadlift are unchanged.  Athlete C now deadlifts 750 lbs but his squat and bench are unchanged.  Which athlete is mostly likely to have increased his vertical jump?  Most would answer B is most likely and A is least likely and C is somewhere in the middle.  That's because the strength exhibited in the squat (not necessarily the lift itself - A VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION) is very specific to vertical jump, while the deadlift is less specific and the bench is the least specific.   Athlete A did gain relative strength (as shown by bench) but most would not expect this to transfer to his vertical jump. 

If you followed the previous example you can think of the relationship of achieving and holding max V and squatting as similar to the relationship between vertical jump and bench press or deadlift.  This is why gaining weight is such a poor idea for sprinters.

The good thing is for clean athletes who don't go on stupid "bulking" diets you usually won't gain much more than 5lbs or so in a year.  So for most non-elite athletes an increase in strength in any compound lift usually has a positive or at worst neutral effect on performance.  When this is really a problem is when an athlete decides the need to "bulk" to gain strength and muscle and eats in excess and gains a large amount of fat, a small amount of muscle, and a moderate amount of strength. 

Thanks again for your thoughts. I understand the reasoning now and want to comment on some of it and what it implicates to me as a layman in terms of track.

From what I understand you are basically saying that top end speed is the biggest determinant of success for a sprinter and at the same time responds the worst to training in general and responds probably not at all to increases in relative squat strength, except maybe for complete beginners, because it is that unspecific. You also give advice that a sprinter should never gain bodyweight because it slows down his maximum velocity. Assuming what was said initially was true for all cases I see no controversy regarding that argument. However it bears one of two implications that I will outline now:

A) If increases in bodyweight, no matter the composition of it, influences a sprinters V max and therefore his overall time that negatively, regardless of the squat specific strength gained in the process, than it logically follows that a decrease in bodyweight would have a positive influence on V max and his overall performance, regardless of squat specific strength lost during that process. UNLESS:

B) You for some reason assume that the bodyweight an athlete has is by some mechanism optimal and an increase OR decrease in bodyweight would both have negative influence.

Which one do you think is the case? If you believe A) is, then why are SOME elite sprinters not even lighter? Is Usain Bolt the lightest he can be at a competition weight of 190 lbs or could he be lighter and therefore [sic] faster? And if B) reflects your opinion, how can this be?


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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Squatting
« on: September 02, 2011, 08:36:37 pm »
what about for sprinting>

Depends on whether you mean speed or actual sprinting.  In general increasing your squat will help you more in two-footed standing jumping than it will in running.  Squatting will usually have some carryover to the acceleration phase of sprinting.  For speed relevant to sport (soccer, football, etc) this is about all that matters.  However, for actual sprinting the acceleration phase is a minor part of the race.  Most high level sprint races separate when athletes get the chance to display max velocity.  The problem with this is that if your increases in the squat are combined with increases in bodyweight your maximum velocity may suffer EVEN if your relative strength (as measured by squat to bw) increases.  If you plan on competing as a sprinter... watch out for this.

For a track sprinter, what would you prescribe to improve maximum velocity and how do you explain lower speed despite improved relative strength?

Maximum velocity is by far the hardest quality to train.  It's equal part tendon stiffness and leg strength.  For well trained athletes max V can be improved with overspeed work (pulling, slight downhill runs, etc), lot's of max V work (flying 20s, etc), single leg bounding work, or changes to mechanics. 

It's lower speed despite improved relative strength as measured by the squat.  You see this because the squat becomes a poor measure of strength at maximum velocity.   Even high school sprinters have their fastest 10-meter splits well under a second.  At this speed an athlete must exhibit extremely brief powerful single leg ground contact and the squat does not accurately predict their ability to produce power in this movement.  So basically, if you weigh 150 pounds and squat 300 pounds and run an 11 flat 100m (assume fastest 10m split of 0.9) and you increase your back squat to 400 pounds and your bodyweight to 200 pounds  it's very likely that your 10m split will now be slower.   

Note that this is less true for poorly trained athletes.  If an athlete is running 13.0 seconds in the 100m then their max V may likely simply because they fatigue before they can accelerate to max V.   If this is the case then overdistance work for endurance and increase in relative strength as measured by squat will increase their acceleration, maximum velocity and speed endurance.   

Notice that this is less true for an untrained athlete. 

Thanks for taking the time to answer this. Still, I don't understand your explanation. If an athlete increases his squat / bw ratio through an increase in bw and much larger increase in the squat, which mechanism makes that he is now slower?

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Squatting
« on: September 02, 2011, 09:08:54 am »
what about for sprinting>

Depends on whether you mean speed or actual sprinting.  In general increasing your squat will help you more in two-footed standing jumping than it will in running.  Squatting will usually have some carryover to the acceleration phase of sprinting.  For speed relevant to sport (soccer, football, etc) this is about all that matters.  However, for actual sprinting the acceleration phase is a minor part of the race.  Most high level sprint races separate when athletes get the chance to display max velocity.  The problem with this is that if your increases in the squat are combined with increases in bodyweight your maximum velocity may suffer EVEN if your relative strength (as measured by squat to bw) increases.  If you plan on competing as a sprinter... watch out for this.

For a track sprinter, what would you prescribe to improve maximum velocity and how do you explain lower speed despite improved relative strength?

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Hi Steven

For me it depends on the surface you are jumping and the type of jumping you are doing. For standing vert any light shoe is great. Track shoes in particular (Andrews Nike Waffles for example). For running jumps on a basketball court I like light low cuts without too much cushioning. Most basketball shoes are a little over cushioned for good jumping.

Last summer I tried doing a bunch of long jumps every Saturday morning. I really enjoyed the challenge of trying to get better each week, as well as training outside which I always love (I am thinking about doing a Darqui and buying a second power rack to drag outside on nice days this year - the one in my gym is heavy duty and is bolted to the floor), and of course it was relatively easier on my knees. For the sort of jumping I just wore light thin soled trainers (track shoes) and they were great.

Cheers

Jack

Thanks for the info, what you said about too much cushioning is consistent with my experience on volleyball shoes. Although I tend to think that really flat shoes are not necessarily better because you don't get the same standing reach in them, right?

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Nice job on testing this stuff, Jack! In your experience, which shoes have been best for VJ purposes (not necessarily basketball)?

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